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nobody should apply for those jobs...leave the citizens without police for awhile. The taxpayers dont want to pay them? Fine. But then dont expect good service? Can any of you actually argue this? I would hope cops from other cities would point this out and make charlotte a place for cops to avoid wanting to work.
That's a nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself?Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Officers Struggle for Fair Wages | Law Enforcement Today
A friend from ATL works there now, and shared some stories. This link is a petition from a CMPD officer's wife. Anyhow, the City of Charlotte showed it's appreciation to the cops who risk their lives to protect that city by.....starting back in 2009 all newly hired cops will have no health insurance after they retire (required 30 years of service with CMPD). Yes, thats right. When a cop is hired in, say, 2010 by Charlotte PD, and serves 30 years (required) with that agency risking his life for the people of Charlotte, he can retire in the year 2040, and will be thanked with....well, nothing. No health insurance. They now have no overtime pay, even if they do work overtime. No step-increases in pay to retain experienced officers (crucial for law enforcement to keep experience on the road). No cost of living increases. Basically, the City of Charlotte's message to these brave folks? Well, the message is "Take the job and shove it. But please protect us!".
Funny though. An independent study found Charlotte had plenty of money to meet the budget that would've included the above cuts. But they just didnt. Why? Well, then needed to donate money to pet projects. Like a Street Car project. A minor league baseball team.
OH, and forgot one big one: The NFL's Carolina Panthers want stadium upgrades, and have demanded the city pay for it, about $150 million. And the city IS GOING TO DO IT.
Just some food for thought next time you need to dial 911 and the cop who shows up isn't in the best mood in the world. Or....is hesitant to risk his ass to protect you. Because afterall, if he gets hurt, who is gonna pay for his care in retirement??????
The cost to recruit, test, complete the background investigation and train a police officer is expensive; officers who have completed probation in an agency which hopes to save money by cutting pay, working conditions and/or benefits will soon find their officers working elsewhere.
Eventually such an agency will become a minor league one, filling open jobs all over the East Coast with men and women trained and experienced in Charlotte and putting on their streets individuals who could not secure employment in police work anywhere else (such as George Zimmerman).
You just can't get those kinds of benefits and pay in the private sector for a job that really doesn't require much education or training.
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You just showed how fucking stupid you are on this issue with that single comment. You think being a cop, in a city the size of Charlotte, requires little education and training? Yep. Not worth discussing with you, you are that far out of the loop.
Oh, and you say you risked your life daily working construction? Ha. Sure. But you didnt have complete strangers calling you to come do construction on their house and risk your life for it. Or risk being shot.
There is a difference between getting hurt or killed on a construction site because you did something stupid and had an accident, and being literally murdered on the job trying to protect others.
So, let me guess: As a heroic construction worker, you must feel you do more for society than the non-combat troops in the military, right? Afterall, statistically, your job would be more "dangerous" than theirs, right? Hell, driving while DUI is "more dangerous", so that is more noble, right?
You fucking idiot.
cops spend most of the day handing out traffic tickets. They only time they ever bust actual criminals is if by some chance they happen to witness an armed robbery occurring right in front of them. Most the time the cops arrive long after the villains have gotten away, or after the proprietor has shot them dead.
No they don't, turd. Even the cops will tell you that it takes 7 minutes for them to arrive on the scene. It only takes 5 minutes for an armed thug to hold you up and clean out your cash register.
Wow. You sure know a LOT about police workcuckoo
I did 8 years in Atlanta, all on patrol.
Where, and how long, did you spend in law enforcement to be able to get such an insightful knowledge of how the job really works, and what it is really like, and what most cops really do all day???????
That's a nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself?Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Officers Struggle for Fair Wages | Law Enforcement Today
A friend from ATL works there now, and shared some stories. This link is a petition from a CMPD officer's wife. Anyhow, the City of Charlotte showed it's appreciation to the cops who risk their lives to protect that city by.....starting back in 2009 all newly hired cops will have no health insurance after they retire (required 30 years of service with CMPD). Yes, thats right. When a cop is hired in, say, 2010 by Charlotte PD, and serves 30 years (required) with that agency risking his life for the people of Charlotte, he can retire in the year 2040, and will be thanked with....well, nothing. No health insurance. They now have no overtime pay, even if they do work overtime. No step-increases in pay to retain experienced officers (crucial for law enforcement to keep experience on the road). No cost of living increases. Basically, the City of Charlotte's message to these brave folks? Well, the message is "Take the job and shove it. But please protect us!".
Funny though. An independent study found Charlotte had plenty of money to meet the budget that would've included the above cuts. But they just didnt. Why? Well, then needed to donate money to pet projects. Like a Street Car project. A minor league baseball team.
OH, and forgot one big one: The NFL's Carolina Panthers want stadium upgrades, and have demanded the city pay for it, about $150 million. And the city IS GOING TO DO IT.
Just some food for thought next time you need to dial 911 and the cop who shows up isn't in the best mood in the world. Or....is hesitant to risk his ass to protect you. Because afterall, if he gets hurt, who is gonna pay for his care in retirement??????
The cost to recruit, test, complete the background investigation and train a police officer is expensive; officers who have completed probation in an agency which hopes to save money by cutting pay, working conditions and/or benefits will soon find their officers working elsewhere.
Eventually such an agency will become a minor league one, filling open jobs all over the East Coast with men and women trained and experienced in Charlotte and putting on their streets individuals who could not secure employment in police work anywhere else (such as George Zimmerman).
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Officers Struggle for Fair Wages | Law Enforcement Today
A friend from ATL works there now, and shared some stories. This link is a petition from a CMPD officer's wife. Anyhow, the City of Charlotte showed it's appreciation to the cops who risk their lives to protect that city by.....starting back in 2009 all newly hired cops will have no health insurance after they retire (required 30 years of service with CMPD). Yes, thats right. When a cop is hired in, say, 2010 by Charlotte PD, and serves 30 years (required) with that agency risking his life for the people of Charlotte, he can retire in the year 2040, and will be thanked with....well, nothing. No health insurance. They now have no overtime pay, even if they do work overtime. No step-increases in pay to retain experienced officers (crucial for law enforcement to keep experience on the road). No cost of living increases. Basically, the City of Charlotte's message to these brave folks? Well, the message is "Take the job and shove it. But please protect us!".
Funny though. An independent study found Charlotte had plenty of money to meet the budget that would've included the above cuts. But they just didnt. Why? Well, then needed to donate money to pet projects. Like a Street Car project. A minor league baseball team.
OH, and forgot one big one: The NFL's Carolina Panthers want stadium upgrades, and have demanded the city pay for it, about $150 million. And the city IS GOING TO DO IT.
Just some food for thought next time you need to dial 911 and the cop who shows up isn't in the best mood in the world. Or....is hesitant to risk his ass to protect you. Because afterall, if he gets hurt, who is gonna pay for his care in retirement??????
The cost to recruit, test, complete the background investigation and train a police officer is expensive; officers who have completed probation in an agency which hopes to save money by cutting pay, working conditions and/or benefits will soon find their officers working elsewhere.
Eventually such an agency will become a minor league one, filling open jobs all over the East Coast with men and women trained and experienced in Charlotte and putting on their streets individuals who could not secure employment in police work anywhere else (such as George Zimmerman).
Judging by your rather caustic reaction, it is clear that you are highly intolerant of those who hold a point of view to which you disagree.You just can't get those kinds of benefits and pay in the private sector for a job that really doesn't require much education or training.
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You just showed how fucking stupid you are on this issue with that single comment. You think being a cop, in a city the size of Charlotte, requires little education and training? Yep. Not worth discussing with you, you are that far out of the loop.
Oh, and you say you risked your life daily working construction? Ha. Sure. But you didnt have complete strangers calling you to come do construction on their house and risk your life for it. Or risk being shot.
There is a difference between getting hurt or killed on a construction site because you did something stupid and had an accident, and being literally murdered on the job trying to protect others.
So, let me guess: As a heroic construction worker, you must feel you do more for society than the non-combat troops in the military, right? Afterall, statistically, your job would be more "dangerous" than theirs, right? Hell, driving while DUI is "more dangerous", so that is more noble, right?
You fucking idiot.
At this point there is no use discussing anything with you.
Apparently you made up your mind and anyone who dares disagree is attacked.
The CMPD requires each candidate to complete a 22 week training course or oral, written and physical tests. Then once graduated, 15 weeks of on the lob training with a Training Officer.
In the link above, there are not references to required level of education. The assumption is a high school graduate may apply.
That's Charlotte. Other police agencies may require at least an Associates Degree in criminal justice or criminology.
Some agencies offer an increased pay scale for degreed officers.
Application Process
Now, are you going to curse at me too?
That's a nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself?The cost to recruit, test, complete the background investigation and train a police officer is expensive; officers who have completed probation in an agency which hopes to save money by cutting pay, working conditions and/or benefits will soon find their officers working elsewhere.
Eventually such an agency will become a minor league one, filling open jobs all over the East Coast with men and women trained and experienced in Charlotte and putting on their streets individuals who could not secure employment in police work anywhere else (such as George Zimmerman).
If you doubt it go the any law enforcement agency web site and look at the MQ's (minimum qualifications) for employment - what I posted was a brief summary.
nobody should apply for those jobs...leave the citizens without police for awhile. The taxpayers dont want to pay them? Fine. But then dont expect good service? Can any of you actually argue this? I would hope cops from other cities would point this out and make charlotte a place for cops to avoid wanting to work.
Yeah.. No one is implying these people should not be paid. The issue is once they LEAVE the job. How much is an appropriate amount to continue paying. Keeping in mind there is a finite amount of taxpayer resources from which to draw.
There are many times MORE places where Civil Service type pensions do NOT exist than places where these benefits DO exist.
Judging by your rather caustic reaction, it is clear that you are highly intolerant of those who hold a point of view to which you disagree.You just showed how fucking stupid you are on this issue with that single comment. You think being a cop, in a city the size of Charlotte, requires little education and training? Yep. Not worth discussing with you, you are that far out of the loop.
Oh, and you say you risked your life daily working construction? Ha. Sure. But you didnt have complete strangers calling you to come do construction on their house and risk your life for it. Or risk being shot.
There is a difference between getting hurt or killed on a construction site because you did something stupid and had an accident, and being literally murdered on the job trying to protect others.
So, let me guess: As a heroic construction worker, you must feel you do more for society than the non-combat troops in the military, right? Afterall, statistically, your job would be more "dangerous" than theirs, right? Hell, driving while DUI is "more dangerous", so that is more noble, right?
You fucking idiot.
At this point there is no use discussing anything with you.
Apparently you made up your mind and anyone who dares disagree is attacked.
The CMPD requires each candidate to complete a 22 week training course or oral, written and physical tests. Then once graduated, 15 weeks of on the lob training with a Training Officer.
In the link above, there are not references to required level of education. The assumption is a high school graduate may apply.
That's Charlotte. Other police agencies may require at least an Associates Degree in criminal justice or criminology.
Some agencies offer an increased pay scale for degreed officers.
Application Process
Now, are you going to curse at me too?
The national acrediting agency, CALEA, requires departments have a minimum 2 year associates degree, and 4 year degree for SGT and above, for all officers. Being "CALEA certified" is a lawsuit shield and any department over 100 officers is almost guaranteed to be CALEA certified.
So yeah, to work at Charlotte PD, you need a minimum associates degree. If you ever want to make SGT you must have a 4 year degree. .
I only ripped that one moron because of his level of ignorance with police work.
nobody should apply for those jobs...leave the citizens without police for awhile. The taxpayers dont want to pay them? Fine. But then dont expect good service? Can any of you actually argue this? I would hope cops from other cities would point this out and make charlotte a place for cops to avoid wanting to work.
Yeah.. No one is implying these people should not be paid. The issue is once they LEAVE the job. How much is an appropriate amount to continue paying. Keeping in mind there is a finite amount of taxpayer resources from which to draw.
There are many times MORE places where Civil Service type pensions do NOT exist than places where these benefits DO exist.
Below is the salary for a deputy hired on a lateral transfer in one of the agencies where I worked. Not included is the 37% benefit package:
Salary: $30.57 - $38.08 Hourly
$2,445.25 - $3,046.53 Biweekly
$5,298.05 - $6,600.81 Monthly
$63,576.60 - $79,209.72 Annually
Sgts., LT's, Capts., Commanders and Deputy chief's earn more.
WHERE is that? Are they hiring haha? That looks like the Seattle PD lateral hire ranges. Seattle, Portland and the California HP make bank!
For you guys who wonder where PD's get their national standars in EVERYTHING, including entrance requirements like education: CALEA® | The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc.
Becoming a cop, and remaining one for 5 years or more, is a lot harder than most think.
For you guys who wonder where PD's get their national standars in EVERYTHING, including entrance requirements like education: CALEA® | The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc.
Becoming a cop, and remaining one for 5 years or more, is a lot harder than most think.
It is not hard enough if Dorner could get hired.
cops spend most of the day handing out traffic tickets. They only time they ever bust actual criminals is if by some chance they happen to witness an armed robbery occurring right in front of them. Most the time the cops arrive long after the villains have gotten away, or after the proprietor has shot them dead.
No they don't, turd. Even the cops will tell you that it takes 7 minutes for them to arrive on the scene. It only takes 5 minutes for an armed thug to hold you up and clean out your cash register.
Wow. You sure know a LOT about police work
I did 8 years in Atlanta, all on patrol.
Where, and how long, did you spend in law enforcement to be able to get such an insightful knowledge of how the job really works, and what it is really like, and what most cops really do all day???????
Why are you no longer there?
Look, big city cops have a rough job. Not only do cops in big cities put up with more, they often make less than their suburban counterparts.
For example, the starting wage for a NYPD officer is A little over $46k per year...
Benefits & Salary Overview | NYPDRECRUIT.COM
For a rookie officer in a suburban town in Northern NJ it is several thousand dollars more.
Here's one example. This Officer is from a neighboring town of my home town. He has been on the job 4 years...
I edited out his name.....
year of birth........city..................................salary........tot comp....yrs.............start date
1986 1 lookup NORTHVALE BOROUGH $87,020 $87,020 4 7012007..
Note the annual salary. $87k.....The second in command is a former schoolmate of mine.
His salary is over $130k per year. He has been on the job for 32 years. He may take retirement at age 55 which is considered "early"...Or he may wait until age 59 1/2 for "full pension"..You may go to this link to find this and other public employee wages....New Jersey by the Numbers - NJ.com
Police work is not the same everywhere. Where I come from a police officer has not had to shoot his gun in 50 years.
My brother was an airport police officer. Not a particularly hazardous job, but it had it's moments.
Guys that work shitty neighborhoods may as well be in a 24 hour per day war zone. The people they are assigned to protect and serve also want to spit on them or even shoot them every time they get a call.
On the other hand state troopers that work rural areas face dangers from crazy people as well. This is why if I ever get pulled over by the "Statey" out in the boon docks I do what I can to make him or her feel at ease. Like keeping both hands on the steering wheel where the cop can see them. At night, turning on the dome light so the PO can see inside the car as he approaches.
Yeah.. No one is implying these people should not be paid. The issue is once they LEAVE the job. How much is an appropriate amount to continue paying. Keeping in mind there is a finite amount of taxpayer resources from which to draw.
There are many times MORE places where Civil Service type pensions do NOT exist than places where these benefits DO exist.
Below is the salary for a deputy hired on a lateral transfer in one of the agencies where I worked. Not included is the 37% benefit package:
Salary: $30.57 - $38.08 Hourly
$2,445.25 - $3,046.53 Biweekly
$5,298.05 - $6,600.81 Monthly
$63,576.60 - $79,209.72 Annually
Sgts., LT's, Capts., Commanders and Deputy chief's earn more.
Wow. You sure know a LOT about police work
I did 8 years in Atlanta, all on patrol.
Where, and how long, did you spend in law enforcement to be able to get such an insightful knowledge of how the job really works, and what it is really like, and what most cops really do all day???????
Why are you no longer there?
Look, big city cops have a rough job. Not only do cops in big cities put up with more, they often make less than their suburban counterparts.
For example, the starting wage for a NYPD officer is A little over $46k per year...
Benefits & Salary Overview | NYPDRECRUIT.COM
For a rookie officer in a suburban town in Northern NJ it is several thousand dollars more.
Here's one example. This Officer is from a neighboring town of my home town. He has been on the job 4 years...
I edited out his name.....
year of birth........city..................................salary........tot comp....yrs.............start date
1986 1 lookup NORTHVALE BOROUGH $87,020 $87,020 4 7012007..
Note the annual salary. $87k.....The second in command is a former schoolmate of mine.
His salary is over $130k per year. He has been on the job for 32 years. He may take retirement at age 55 which is considered "early"...Or he may wait until age 59 1/2 for "full pension"..You may go to this link to find this and other public employee wages....New Jersey by the Numbers - NJ.com
Police work is not the same everywhere. Where I come from a police officer has not had to shoot his gun in 50 years.
My brother was an airport police officer. Not a particularly hazardous job, but it had it's moments.
Guys that work shitty neighborhoods may as well be in a 24 hour per day war zone. The people they are assigned to protect and serve also want to spit on them or even shoot them every time they get a call.
On the other hand state troopers that work rural areas face dangers from crazy people as well. This is why if I ever get pulled over by the "Statey" out in the boon docks I do what I can to make him or her feel at ease. Like keeping both hands on the steering wheel where the cop can see them. At night, turning on the dome light so the PO can see inside the car as he approaches.
I was hurt on the job, pretty bad, but not too severe to enjoy life now.
But, the "big city" vs "rural" cop debate has gone of forever within law enforcment. While big city cops have more people and overall crime, rural cops have almost no backup and are MUCH more independent and alone. In fact, rural cops often are BETTER COPS because they have to know how to do everything, while most big city guys specialize in one area.
The reality of police work today is every single cop in America goes to work, and none know if they are going in for their area's Columbine, or Dorner, or Sandy Hook, or mall shooting, or gang shooting, or recently a HUGE trend of suicidal people- and suicidal people are statistically the most homicidal.
Somewhere tomorrow a cop WILL get shot at. A few may die. They dont know that tonight, and most do NOT work for major city departments. Most are going to sleep, thinking tomorrow is just another day in a mid size city and some other guy across the state will be the one getting into some shit. Thats why a cops worst enemy truly is complacency.
Below is the salary for a deputy hired on a lateral transfer in one of the agencies where I worked. Not included is the 37% benefit package:
Salary: $30.57 - $38.08 Hourly
$2,445.25 - $3,046.53 Biweekly
$5,298.05 - $6,600.81 Monthly
$63,576.60 - $79,209.72 Annually
Sgts., LT's, Capts., Commanders and Deputy chief's earn more.
Yep. Lateral hires are always preferred because of the costs to conduct the background. I've been retired for nearly 8 years now but when I managed the hiring we were lucky to hire 5 of each 100 candidates who applied. Laterals were much higher percentage but getting the background was more of a problem do to the Peace Officers Bill of Rights.
Most agencies in the Bay Area are hiring, but the benefits for new hires have or will be changed. Many officers/deputies are leaving early because of concerns that retirement schedules (3% at 50 for example) may soon change.
Google Santa Clara, San Mateo, Alameda or Contra Costa counties for jobs and look at the salary, benefits and MQ's. Smaller counties around the bay are Marin, Sonoma, Napa and Solano.
For you guys who wonder where PD's get their national standars in EVERYTHING, including entrance requirements like education: CALEA® | The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc.
Becoming a cop, and remaining one for 5 years or more, is a lot harder than most think.
It is not hard enough if Dorner could get hired.
Dorner was a Naval Officer in the US Navy (LT). Criminal, prick, asshole, murderer....yes.
But he was NOT uneducated or stupid.
