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No matter the cause, which was almost certainly human error, the technology is there to prevent things like this from happening
Oh, let me correct that, unless it involves sending our kids to fight someone else's war, then they will support spending our tax dollars on that, to see our young men and women sent home in body bags to "save" those who hate us anyway, all in the name of oil that we don't really even need from the Middle East anyway.
Now, please tell me how childish I am again.
All I ever get from cons is stupid one liners and blaming others for one thing or another. Never do we get any real ideas on how to make things better for real people.
No matter the cause, which was almost certainly human error, the technology is there to prevent things like this from happening
So why are we having this long, protracted discussion about our infrastructure, if the "technology is there?" You people keep making my point! If it was human error, and if the fully functional technology already existed to "prevent this from happening" then it stands to reason the infrastructure had no part to play in this disaster.
Wake up for God's sake.
Because people like you do not want to pay for it
the same as you do not want to pay to fix our bridges, dams, and roads.
So, you have no real working knowledge of what the device does or how it works.Regardless, the inescapable fact is that a functioning PTC would have prevented the crash in every scenario.
Of course however, it was already installed on the train, so the fourth possibility still remains. He neglected to use it.
No matter the cause, which was almost certainly human error, the technology is there to prevent things like this from happening
So why are we having this long, protracted discussion about our infrastructure, if the "technology is there?" You people keep making my point! If it was human error, and if the fully functional technology already existed to "prevent this from happening" then it stands to reason the infrastructure had no part to play in this disaster.
Because people like you do not want to pay for it, the same as you do not want to pay to fix our bridges, dams, and roads. Wake up for God's sake.
You'll have to show evidence of that. Congress just pared another $200+ million off their operating budget and ridership is down (not that it ever covered more than a fraction of real costs) - I agree that the money is being mishandled, IMO it's being unwisely spent at the congressional level.It has been a "lack of preparation" brought on by constant reductions in operating budget due to the misguided notion that lack of ridership equals system failure. And the constant reductions in operating budget were a direct result of shoddy Republican leadership.
Nonsense, with the amount of funding it was already receiving, it could have outfitted all of their tracks and trains with this technology 10 times over. Now, how do those trains and tracks go without this lifesaving equipment? It's not for want of funding, it's because the leadership and those handling the money aren't using it for the purpose it was intended for. The money is there, it is being spent on things other than maintaining the integrity of the rail system. Understand? The money is being mishandled, or spent recklessly.
To use your car analogy from earlier, if I had the money and I could afford the magical device which would automatically stop me from ramming the car in front of me, I shouldn't spend it on a set of 32 inch platinum rims now should I? The money is better spent on this magical device, correct? If I keep buying the fancy rims, it won't matter how much I get for this magical device, the money is wasted.
It's all about how you use the money, not how much you are getting.
Did I say that he definitively did? I don't think so.It has been a "lack of preparation" brought on by constant reductions in operating budget due to the misguided notion that lack of ridership equals system failure. And the constant reductions in operating budget were a direct result of shoddy Republican leadership.
Nonsense, with the amount of funding it was already receiving, it could have outfitted all of their tracks and trains with this technology 10 times over. Now, how do those trains and tracks go without this lifesaving equipment? It's not for want of funding, it's because the leadership and those handling the money aren't using it for the purpose it was intended for. The money is there, it is being spent on things other than maintaining the integrity of the rail system. Understand? The money is being mishandled, or spent recklessly.
To use your car analogy from earlier, if had the money and I could afford the magical device which would automatically stop me from ramming the car in front of me, I shouldn't spend it on a set of 32 inch platinum rims now should I? The money is better spent on this magical device, correct? If I keep buying the fancy rims, it won't matter how much I get for this magical device, the money is wasted.
It's all about how you use the money, not how much you are getting.
^^^So it wasn't the "phone" now?
Did you just learn something about the topic you said was due to a train driver using a phone?
So, you have no real working knowledge of what the device does or how it works.
Amtrak enables the use of the device - provided they have the allotted frequencies cleared solely for their use.
The train itself may have been fitted with a receiver as the news stories relate, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the tracks were - and that also has to happen, and that information HASN'T been in the news that I've seen yet.
A computer system that allows speeding trains to be slowed remotely – potentially averting deadly derailments – was installed in the section of track in Philadelphia where Tuesday’s fatal Amtrak crash occurred but had not been turned on, congressional sources tell U.S. News.
“The PTC was installed in the section of track where the Philadelphia accident occurred, but for whatever reason had not been turned on, the PTC in that section,” Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pa., tells U.S. News, referring to "positive train control."
His account was corroborated by Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md.
“The tracks had PTC, the train had PTC,” Harris says.
Both congressmen are members of the House Appropriations Committee, which contacted Amtrak for more information about the crash.
And, as you most stubbornly refuse to accept, compliance with the law requires proper funding by the same folks who wrote that law.
And those folks are actively reducing funding in every budget request that Amtrak asks for which is delaying the implementation of PTC and, in the case of the Philly crash, costing lives and lost revenues.
The burden is on you to show that Amtrak has bought a set 32" platinum rims instead of a magical life saving device.
Wow - I misspoke. This will teach me to look it up first.No matter the cause, which was almost certainly human error, the technology is there to prevent things like this from happening
So why are we having this long, protracted discussion about our infrastructure, if the "technology is there?" You people keep making my point! If it was human error, and if the fully functional technology already existed to "prevent this from happening" then it stands to reason the infrastructure had no part to play in this disaster.
Because people like you do not want to pay for it, the same as you do not want to pay to fix our bridges, dams, and roads. Wake up for God's sake.
The tracks were already equipped with PTS, so your complaint is idiotic.
Wow - I misspoke. This will teach me to look it up first.No matter the cause, which was almost certainly human error, the technology is there to prevent things like this from happening
So why are we having this long, protracted discussion about our infrastructure, if the "technology is there?" You people keep making my point! If it was human error, and if the fully functional technology already existed to "prevent this from happening" then it stands to reason the infrastructure had no part to play in this disaster.
Because people like you do not want to pay for it, the same as you do not want to pay to fix our bridges, dams, and roads. Wake up for God's sake.
The tracks were already equipped with PTS, so your complaint is idiotic.
The red lines are where PTC is fully functional. The black circle is the site of the crash.
I admit to being wrong. It's your turn to admit to being an idiot - you didn't look it up either.
So, you have no real working knowledge of what the device does or how it works.
I don't need to. If it was already on the train, it serves as a logical conclusion that it could have been used to prevent the crash.
So, you have no real working knowledge of what the device does or how it works.
I don't need to. If it was already on the train, it serves as a logical conclusion that it could have been used to prevent the crash.
Amtrak enables the use of the device - provided they have the allotted frequencies cleared solely for their use.
A little birdie told me that they had been fighting the FCC for rights to use these frequencies. Surely you can't blame that on lack of funding? That's government obstruction.
The train itself may have been fitted with a receiver as the news stories relate, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the tracks were - and that also has to happen, and that information HASN'T been in the news that I've seen yet.
Actually, I've read otherwise.
A computer system that allows speeding trains to be slowed remotely – potentially averting deadly derailments – was installed in the section of track in Philadelphia where Tuesday’s fatal Amtrak crash occurred but had not been turned on, congressional sources tell U.S. News.
“The PTC was installed in the section of track where the Philadelphia accident occurred, but for whatever reason had not been turned on, the PTC in that section,” Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pa., tells U.S. News, referring to "positive train control."
His account was corroborated by Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md.
“The tracks had PTC, the train had PTC,” Harris says.
Both congressmen are members of the House Appropriations Committee, which contacted Amtrak for more information about the crash.
Speed Control Was Installed Not On at Time of Amtrak Crash - US News
And, as you most stubbornly refuse to accept, compliance with the law requires proper funding by the same folks who wrote that law.
It doesn't matter if they had already complied with the law. The PTC was on both the tracks and the train. In this case the funding was used properly, it should have saved lives but it didn't.
And those folks are actively reducing funding in every budget request that Amtrak asks for which is delaying the implementation of PTC and, in the case of the Philly crash, costing lives and lost revenues.
Okay? So are you accusing them of murder?
Amtrak enables the use of the device - provided they have the allotted frequencies cleared solely for their use.
The train itself may have been fitted with a receiver as the news stories relate, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the tracks were - and that also has to happen, and that information HASN'T been in the news that I've seen yet.
A computer system that allows speeding trains to be slowed remotely – potentially averting deadly derailments – was installed in the section of track in Philadelphia where Tuesday’s fatal Amtrak crash occurred but had not been turned on, congressional sources tell U.S. News.
“The PTC was installed in the section of track where the Philadelphia accident occurred, but for whatever reason had not been turned on, the PTC in that section,” Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pa., tells U.S. News, referring to "positive train control."
His account was corroborated by Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md.
“The tracks had PTC, the train had PTC,” Harris says.
Both congressmen are members of the House Appropriations Committee, which contacted Amtrak for more information about the crash.
And, as you most stubbornly refuse to accept, compliance with the law requires proper funding by the same folks who wrote that law.
And those folks are actively reducing funding in every budget request that Amtrak asks for which is delaying the implementation of PTC and, in the case of the Philly crash, costing lives and lost revenues.
Evidently, the FUNDING was obtained less than 1 month before the crash and was described as "a necessary first step..."
Speed control was NOT working at the time of the crash - even if portions of it were installed.
