Yikes, sky dad...morals are absolute, though

[ding]

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

False - you need to ask a counterpart a series of questions in lieu of justifying your claim independently of anyone. It's fine, you're incapable or unwilling - but it's really not my responsibility.

Fine, If I ever find a counterpart I'll ask them if I ever doubt the vindication of my beliefs, proof already requested and provided by God to people, believers and atheists alike, who doubted my assertions of having what people call a divine visitation and continuing revelations from the living God decades ago.

Sounds good, dude.

Did you even understand what he just wrote?

If so, can you explain it to me in English?

 

[G.T.]

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

False - you need to ask a counterpart a series of questions in lieu of justifying your claim independently of anyone. It's fine, you're incapable or unwilling - but it's really not my responsibility.

Fine, If I ever find a counterpart I'll ask them if I ever doubt the vindication of my beliefs, proof already requested and provided by God to people, believers and atheists alike, who doubted my assertions of having what people call a divine visitation and continuing revelations from the living God decades ago.

Sounds good, dude.

Did you even understand what he just wrote?

If so, can you explain it to me in English?

I didnt even try to decipher it, but looking back its def. not correct English syntax and Ive not the first fuck of a clue what it means.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

I knew God works in mysterious ways, but I didn't know he had a thing for little girls.

You're thinking of Joe Biden

 

[CrusaderFrank]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

That was Obama selling them to human traffickers, maybe Epstein too

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

It is not clear, because that is an odd choce of words. Describe this archetype. Be specific. Then I will show you that this is not what Satan means to a lot people. Then I will show you that you can describe this without invoking magical entities as archetypes.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

but admittedly, you're very unclear about it.

Of course he is, and intentionally so.

 

[BULLDOG]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

I knew God works in mysterious ways, but I didn't know he had a thing for little girls.

You're thinking of Joe Biden

No.

 

[BULLDOG]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

That was Obama selling them to human traffickers, maybe Epstein too

No crazy conspiracy theory left behind.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

That was Obama selling them to human traffickers, maybe Epstein too

No crazy conspiracy theory left behind.

Snopes agreed

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus was very clear about who he was and why he came here. You are the one practicing deception.

Jesus was clear about being the expected Jewish Messiah. A Jewish man who taught people everything he learned from God about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects in the law making the fulfillment of the promise of eternal life and entry into the kingdom of God possible while removing the burden of the law, which is the death consequent for non-compliance, for all those who received this divinely inspired teaching and acted on it.

There never was any Jewish expectation for an edible three in one unequalled coequal mangod. That is an ancient roman perversion, a defiant demonstration of contempt for he who truly is God and deliberate desecration of the teachings of Jesus.

Getting people to worship a false god is how satan uses the power of death consequent to defying the law of God to possess the minds of the gullible, the weak willed, and the cowardly.

And...you believe that?

Yes, Jesus taught another more rational way to understand and conform to the divine commands that is not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used that reveals the wisdom of God and fulfills the promise of life, comprehension.

Yes, the Jews have never expected the Messiah to be anything other than a human being, another Jew, chosen by God for the specific purpose of "conveying all of God's commands." Deut; 18:18.

And yes, as long as you realize that satan represents a specific human archetype, not an invisible malevolent spirit, that uses mind control, what the ancient people thought of as sorcery, to bend the unsuspecting to their will like any cultic charlatan despot or tyrant uses subtle deceptions, specious promises, and threats of real and imaginary violence to collect subservient followers like disposable possessions to do their bidding and fleece on a regular basis for their own selfish ambitions lust for power and personal gain.

Hmm, sounds to me like you just painted Satan onto materialistic phenomena. Why the need for the flowery descriptions? Seems to me like you could be more.clear and empirical to describe it in...ahem...lesser terms. Terms that don't involve magical entities.

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

Materialistic phenomena? Flowery descriptions? Magical entities?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Satan is the ego

 

[ding]

Jesus was clear about being the expected Jewish Messiah. A Jewish man who taught people everything he learned from God about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects in the law making the fulfillment of the promise of eternal life and entry into the kingdom of God possible while removing the burden of the law, which is the death consequent for non-compliance, for all those who received this divinely inspired teaching and acted on it.

There never was any Jewish expectation for an edible three in one unequalled coequal mangod. That is an ancient roman perversion, a defiant demonstration of contempt for he who truly is God and deliberate desecration of the teachings of Jesus.

Getting people to worship a false god is how satan uses the power of death consequent to defying the law of God to possess the minds of the gullible, the weak willed, and the cowardly.

And...you believe that?

Yes, Jesus taught another more rational way to understand and conform to the divine commands that is not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used that reveals the wisdom of God and fulfills the promise of life, comprehension.

Yes, the Jews have never expected the Messiah to be anything other than a human being, another Jew, chosen by God for the specific purpose of "conveying all of God's commands." Deut; 18:18.

And yes, as long as you realize that satan represents a specific human archetype, not an invisible malevolent spirit, that uses mind control, what the ancient people thought of as sorcery, to bend the unsuspecting to their will like any cultic charlatan despot or tyrant uses subtle deceptions, specious promises, and threats of real and imaginary violence to collect subservient followers like disposable possessions to do their bidding and fleece on a regular basis for their own selfish ambitions lust for power and personal gain.

Hmm, sounds to me like you just painted Satan onto materialistic phenomena. Why the need for the flowery descriptions? Seems to me like you could be more.clear and empirical to describe it in...ahem...lesser terms. Terms that don't involve magical entities.

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

Materialistic phenomena? Flowery descriptions? Magical entities?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Satan is the ego

Vanity is his favorite sin.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Jesus was clear about being the expected Jewish Messiah. A Jewish man who taught people everything he learned from God about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects in the law making the fulfillment of the promise of eternal life and entry into the kingdom of God possible while removing the burden of the law, which is the death consequent for non-compliance, for all those who received this divinely inspired teaching and acted on it.

There never was any Jewish expectation for an edible three in one unequalled coequal mangod. That is an ancient roman perversion, a defiant demonstration of contempt for he who truly is God and deliberate desecration of the teachings of Jesus.

Getting people to worship a false god is how satan uses the power of death consequent to defying the law of God to possess the minds of the gullible, the weak willed, and the cowardly.

And...you believe that?

Yes, Jesus taught another more rational way to understand and conform to the divine commands that is not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used that reveals the wisdom of God and fulfills the promise of life, comprehension.

Yes, the Jews have never expected the Messiah to be anything other than a human being, another Jew, chosen by God for the specific purpose of "conveying all of God's commands." Deut; 18:18.

And yes, as long as you realize that satan represents a specific human archetype, not an invisible malevolent spirit, that uses mind control, what the ancient people thought of as sorcery, to bend the unsuspecting to their will like any cultic charlatan despot or tyrant uses subtle deceptions, specious promises, and threats of real and imaginary violence to collect subservient followers like disposable possessions to do their bidding and fleece on a regular basis for their own selfish ambitions lust for power and personal gain.

Hmm, sounds to me like you just painted Satan onto materialistic phenomena. Why the need for the flowery descriptions? Seems to me like you could be more.clear and empirical to describe it in...ahem...lesser terms. Terms that don't involve magical entities.

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

Materialistic phenomena? Flowery descriptions? Magical entities?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Satan is the ego

So..."president orange Satan" it is!

 

[ding]

but admittedly, you're very unclear about it.

Of course he is, and intentionally so.

Whereas I have been intentionally clear. When one believes that there is a force behind existence and that it is more like intelligence or a mind that does bind life together but is not a part of it and he examines the evidence of nature and logically starts from that position, religions in general open up to new interpretations. And those new interpretations lead to a new way of life. One that can be measured, tested and observed.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

but admittedly, you're very unclear about it.

Of course he is, and intentionally so.

Whereas I have been intentionally clear. When one believes that there is a force behind existence and that it is more like intelligence or a mind that does bind life together but is not a part of it and he examines the evidence of nature and logically starts from that position, religions in general open up to new interpretations. And those new interpretations lead to a new way of life one that can be measured, tested and observed.

It is clear you subscribe to magical nonsense.

 

[ding]

but admittedly, you're very unclear about it.

Of course he is, and intentionally so.

Whereas I have been intentionally clear. When one believes that there is a force behind existence and that it is more like intelligence or a mind that does bind life together but is not a part of it and he examines the evidence of nature and logically starts from that position, religions in general open up to new interpretations. And those new interpretations lead to a new way of life one that can be measured, tested and observed.

It is clear you subscribe to magical nonsense.

There wasn't magical about anything I have written.

You can't comprehend why it should raise your suspicion that all the matter in the universe occupying the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of an atom, perfectly ordered, expanded and cooled until it reordered itself into beings that know and create all through the laws of nature (physical, biological and moral) which existed before space and time.

And so you make the most intellectually weak response you can... magical thinking.

 

[ding]

I'll tell you what is intellectually dishonest. There's at least two people in this thread who should be saying, OK, dude I see your point. And then go from there.

Hence vanity is Satan's favorite sin.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And...you believe that?

Yes, Jesus taught another more rational way to understand and conform to the divine commands that is not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used that reveals the wisdom of God and fulfills the promise of life, comprehension.

Yes, the Jews have never expected the Messiah to be anything other than a human being, another Jew, chosen by God for the specific purpose of "conveying all of God's commands." Deut; 18:18.

And yes, as long as you realize that satan represents a specific human archetype, not an invisible malevolent spirit, that uses mind control, what the ancient people thought of as sorcery, to bend the unsuspecting to their will like any cultic charlatan despot or tyrant uses subtle deceptions, specious promises, and threats of real and imaginary violence to collect subservient followers like disposable possessions to do their bidding and fleece on a regular basis for their own selfish ambitions lust for power and personal gain.

Hmm, sounds to me like you just painted Satan onto materialistic phenomena. Why the need for the flowery descriptions? Seems to me like you could be more.clear and empirical to describe it in...ahem...lesser terms. Terms that don't involve magical entities.

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

Materialistic phenomena? Flowery descriptions? Magical entities?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Satan is the ego

So..."president orange Satan" it is!

You have one too, thankfully its split among all your socks

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, Jesus taught another more rational way to understand and conform to the divine commands that is not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used that reveals the wisdom of God and fulfills the promise of life, comprehension.

Yes, the Jews have never expected the Messiah to be anything other than a human being, another Jew, chosen by God for the specific purpose of "conveying all of God's commands." Deut; 18:18.

And yes, as long as you realize that satan represents a specific human archetype, not an invisible malevolent spirit, that uses mind control, what the ancient people thought of as sorcery, to bend the unsuspecting to their will like any cultic charlatan despot or tyrant uses subtle deceptions, specious promises, and threats of real and imaginary violence to collect subservient followers like disposable possessions to do their bidding and fleece on a regular basis for their own selfish ambitions lust for power and personal gain.

Hmm, sounds to me like you just painted Satan onto materialistic phenomena. Why the need for the flowery descriptions? Seems to me like you could be more.clear and empirical to describe it in...ahem...lesser terms. Terms that don't involve magical entities.

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

Materialistic phenomena? Flowery descriptions? Magical entities?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Satan is the ego

So..."president orange Satan" it is!

You have one too, thankfully its split among all your socks

You're talking gibberish....

 

[hobelim]

Satan, the talking serpent, represents a specific human archetype. How is that not clear?

It is not clear, because that is an odd choce of words. Describe this archetype. Be specific. Then I will show you that this is not what Satan means to a lot people. Then I will show you that you can describe this without invoking magical entities as archetypes.

ugh.. I did not invoke magical entities as archetypes. I explained that Satan, the talking serpent in scripture, is not a magical entity, it is a representation of a specific human archetype described in great detail, subtle, brazen, deceptive, defiant.. etc..a self indulgent egocentric deceiver...

What difference does it make if a lot of people believe satan is an invisible malevolent disembodied entity? A lot of people think trump is a savior. so much for what a lot of people think....

In hebrew the word for serpent, nachash , is both a noun and an adjective which can mean, serpent, brazen, shiny one, and or one who practices divination, in other words, one who practices sorcery, (mind control) the stars of the ancient world.


So go ahead and describe what Satan represents without showing how what some people believe is an invisible magical entity is actually a depiction of a specific human archetype infesting religions and governments around the world like a plague.

It isn't magical entities or bronze age superstitions that are committing treason, raiding the national treasury, deconstructing democracy, and screwing the public under the guise of religious faith and values. They are actual low life, egocentric, amoral scumbags with absolutely no shade on their shit, exactly like the talking serpent in the fairy tale except, this ain't no fairy tale.

Capisce?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I did not invoke magical entities as archetypes.

You absolutely did. Instead of articulating this archetype in English, you invoked a magical entity. And you do this intentionally, so that you do not have to properly articulate your ideas.