Yikes, sky dad...morals are absolute, though

[G.T.]

Nope, I'm asking you to rationally justify YOUR professed belief in "whatever the fuck YOU think God means."

And to do so, you're deflecting to others. AS you just did, yet again.

Here's how I justify my non-belief, either way: No conclusive justification has been provided for, or against, any God.

The burden of proof, in a rational discussion, is on the interlocutor making the positive claim - in this case, that is you. You have not presented your case, you deflect into the meta and in this past post, deflected to what you "think" I'm looking for proof of.

All you have to do is ask. Here's what the specifics of the challenge are, to the one making positive claims: rationally justify YOUR professed belief in "whatever the fuck YOU think God means."

Or, deflect.

Why would I even try to rationally "justify" my beliefs about God which conform to and have been confirmed by reality decades ago to a person who doesn't even know what the fuck I mean and has demonstrated an inability to decipher complicated literary metaphors such as talking serpents aimed at teaching children realities about the world.


Thats why I told you, one step at a time. If you can't see talking serpents when they are trying to poison your mind how could you possible perceive evidence of the living God even if he smacked you upside the head and threw you into hell?


I don't have to justify my beliefs to anyone. Yes, I made an affirmative claim. Its up to you to do the things that brought me to an awareness and experience of the living God to see for yourself if its true or not.

If I make the claim that if you smoke a joint you will get high its up to you to see if its true or not. I can't prove it to you unless you try...

You just don't have the balls to take a hit, and thats the only thing being revealed. Something ugly lurking inside of you is exposing itself willy nilly

Deflection. You dont know about my ability, or inability to decipher anything.

All you're doing is deflecting from answering a direct, and sincere question, before with the excuse "you wouldn't understand," now with the excuse "why would I," and "you wouldn't understand."

You do a lot of work deflecting, when you could simply meet the burden of proof in justifying your proclaimed belief in God.

My definition of God is irrelevant, you said you believe in "God," and the floor would be yours, at that point. Yet, you deflect.

I'll call it out each and every time, but the fact remains that you've been unable thus far to demonstrate a rational justification.

No it is not a deflection, its a matter of fact. Unless you do what is necessary to prepare your mind to perceive the living God you won't perceive the living God no matter what I might say about my own experiences.

Which brings us back to the points from which you deflected.

If you do not understand what it written, what the fantastical stories are actually teaching, and see how it applies to actual reality, reality that even you have experienced first hand, you cannot possible perceive any evidence presented of that which cannot be see with the eyes.

If you don't understand what was written you don't won't know what the stories are actually about, neither will you see any proof of their truth even if it was put right in front of you..

If you don't see any evidence of talking serpents exactly as described in great detail in the fairy tale even when they are right in front of you, how are you going to see what lies within?

Thats why I say, one step at a time. If you learn what the stories are actually teaching you will find evidence of the truth conveyed all around you, everywhere you look. If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching you will look and look and look and wherever you look you will always find nothing.

You're really good at passing the buck of responsibility off onto another because you're simply incapable of producing justification for your belief in the public square.

My case of your deflections has been proven, you don't have a justification that you can lay out and you certainly haven't begun to do so. That's fine - I'm just going to consider it unjustified until you do, if you don't mind.

Passing the buck of responsibility? thats hilarious.

You are the one supposedly seeking evidence of a God, not me.....

If you won't apply your mind to understand and conform to the codified instructions about how one goes about finding God what do you expect me to do for you aside from what I have already done in pointing you in the right direction, making clear the way to follow that leads to the fulfillment of that search?

Trying to find fault in me for failing to do what only you can do for yourself doesn't conceal your cowardice.

And as it is written. "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

cry about it all you like, ITS THE LAW.

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understand so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

 

[hobelim]

Why would I even try to rationally "justify" my beliefs about God which conform to and have been confirmed by reality decades ago to a person who doesn't even know what the fuck I mean and has demonstrated an inability to decipher complicated literary metaphors such as talking serpents aimed at teaching children realities about the world.


Thats why I told you, one step at a time. If you can't see talking serpents when they are trying to poison your mind how could you possible perceive evidence of the living God even if he smacked you upside the head and threw you into hell?


I don't have to justify my beliefs to anyone. Yes, I made an affirmative claim. Its up to you to do the things that brought me to an awareness and experience of the living God to see for yourself if its true or not.

If I make the claim that if you smoke a joint you will get high its up to you to see if its true or not. I can't prove it to you unless you try...

You just don't have the balls to take a hit, and thats the only thing being revealed. Something ugly lurking inside of you is exposing itself willy nilly

Deflection. You dont know about my ability, or inability to decipher anything.

All you're doing is deflecting from answering a direct, and sincere question, before with the excuse "you wouldn't understand," now with the excuse "why would I," and "you wouldn't understand."

You do a lot of work deflecting, when you could simply meet the burden of proof in justifying your proclaimed belief in God.

My definition of God is irrelevant, you said you believe in "God," and the floor would be yours, at that point. Yet, you deflect.

I'll call it out each and every time, but the fact remains that you've been unable thus far to demonstrate a rational justification.

No it is not a deflection, its a matter of fact. Unless you do what is necessary to prepare your mind to perceive the living God you won't perceive the living God no matter what I might say about my own experiences.

Which brings us back to the points from which you deflected.

If you do not understand what it written, what the fantastical stories are actually teaching, and see how it applies to actual reality, reality that even you have experienced first hand, you cannot possible perceive any evidence presented of that which cannot be see with the eyes.

If you don't understand what was written you don't won't know what the stories are actually about, neither will you see any proof of their truth even if it was put right in front of you..

If you don't see any evidence of talking serpents exactly as described in great detail in the fairy tale even when they are right in front of you, how are you going to see what lies within?

Thats why I say, one step at a time. If you learn what the stories are actually teaching you will find evidence of the truth conveyed all around you, everywhere you look. If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching you will look and look and look and wherever you look you will always find nothing.

You're really good at passing the buck of responsibility off onto another because you're simply incapable of producing justification for your belief in the public square.

My case of your deflections has been proven, you don't have a justification that you can lay out and you certainly haven't begun to do so. That's fine - I'm just going to consider it unjustified until you do, if you don't mind.

Passing the buck of responsibility? thats hilarious.

You are the one supposedly seeking evidence of a God, not me.....

If you won't apply your mind to understand and conform to the codified instructions about how one goes about finding God what do you expect me to do for you aside from what I have already done in pointing you in the right direction, making clear the way to follow that leads to the fulfillment of that search?

Trying to find fault in me for failing to do what only you can do for yourself doesn't conceal your cowardice.

And as it is written. "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

cry about it all you like, ITS THE LAW.

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understan so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, publicly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

 

[G.T.]

Deflection. You dont know about my ability, or inability to decipher anything.

All you're doing is deflecting from answering a direct, and sincere question, before with the excuse "you wouldn't understand," now with the excuse "why would I," and "you wouldn't understand."

You do a lot of work deflecting, when you could simply meet the burden of proof in justifying your proclaimed belief in God.

My definition of God is irrelevant, you said you believe in "God," and the floor would be yours, at that point. Yet, you deflect.

I'll call it out each and every time, but the fact remains that you've been unable thus far to demonstrate a rational justification.

No it is not a deflection, its a matter of fact. Unless you do what is necessary to prepare your mind to perceive the living God you won't perceive the living God no matter what I might say about my own experiences.

Which brings us back to the points from which you deflected.

If you do not understand what it written, what the fantastical stories are actually teaching, and see how it applies to actual reality, reality that even you have experienced first hand, you cannot possible perceive any evidence presented of that which cannot be see with the eyes.

If you don't understand what was written you don't won't know what the stories are actually about, neither will you see any proof of their truth even if it was put right in front of you..

If you don't see any evidence of talking serpents exactly as described in great detail in the fairy tale even when they are right in front of you, how are you going to see what lies within?

Thats why I say, one step at a time. If you learn what the stories are actually teaching you will find evidence of the truth conveyed all around you, everywhere you look. If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching you will look and look and look and wherever you look you will always find nothing.

You're really good at passing the buck of responsibility off onto another because you're simply incapable of producing justification for your belief in the public square.

My case of your deflections has been proven, you don't have a justification that you can lay out and you certainly haven't begun to do so. That's fine - I'm just going to consider it unjustified until you do, if you don't mind.

Passing the buck of responsibility? thats hilarious.

You are the one supposedly seeking evidence of a God, not me.....

If you won't apply your mind to understand and conform to the codified instructions about how one goes about finding God what do you expect me to do for you aside from what I have already done in pointing you in the right direction, making clear the way to follow that leads to the fulfillment of that search?

Trying to find fault in me for failing to do what only you can do for yourself doesn't conceal your cowardice.

And as it is written. "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

cry about it all you like, ITS THE LAW.

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understand so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, openly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

 

[bodecea]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

 

[BULLDOG]

God is love. Just so happens that in those cases it was love of snuff porn.

^ Quotes Scriptures regarding Trump and the Illegal Chillun

The Keebler elf quoted scripture trying to justify Trump kidnapping kids. You think Trump will grab them by the pussy too?

He's proffiting from trafficking the girls.

I knew God works in mysterious ways, but I didn't know he had a thing for little girls.

 

[hobelim]

No it is not a deflection, its a matter of fact. Unless you do what is necessary to prepare your mind to perceive the living God you won't perceive the living God no matter what I might say about my own experiences.

Which brings us back to the points from which you deflected.

If you do not understand what it written, what the fantastical stories are actually teaching, and see how it applies to actual reality, reality that even you have experienced first hand, you cannot possible perceive any evidence presented of that which cannot be see with the eyes.

If you don't understand what was written you don't won't know what the stories are actually about, neither will you see any proof of their truth even if it was put right in front of you..

If you don't see any evidence of talking serpents exactly as described in great detail in the fairy tale even when they are right in front of you, how are you going to see what lies within?

Thats why I say, one step at a time. If you learn what the stories are actually teaching you will find evidence of the truth conveyed all around you, everywhere you look. If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching you will look and look and look and wherever you look you will always find nothing.

You're really good at passing the buck of responsibility off onto another because you're simply incapable of producing justification for your belief in the public square.

My case of your deflections has been proven, you don't have a justification that you can lay out and you certainly haven't begun to do so. That's fine - I'm just going to consider it unjustified until you do, if you don't mind.

Passing the buck of responsibility? thats hilarious.

You are the one supposedly seeking evidence of a God, not me.....

If you won't apply your mind to understand and conform to the codified instructions about how one goes about finding God what do you expect me to do for you aside from what I have already done in pointing you in the right direction, making clear the way to follow that leads to the fulfillment of that search?

Trying to find fault in me for failing to do what only you can do for yourself doesn't conceal your cowardice.

And as it is written. "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

cry about it all you like, ITS THE LAW.

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understand so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, openly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

This is an insignificant message board . I'll play that card when it counts.


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.


but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

 

[G.T.]

You're really good at passing the buck of responsibility off onto another because you're simply incapable of producing justification for your belief in the public square.

My case of your deflections has been proven, you don't have a justification that you can lay out and you certainly haven't begun to do so. That's fine - I'm just going to consider it unjustified until you do, if you don't mind.

Passing the buck of responsibility? thats hilarious.

You are the one supposedly seeking evidence of a God, not me.....

If you won't apply your mind to understand and conform to the codified instructions about how one goes about finding God what do you expect me to do for you aside from what I have already done in pointing you in the right direction, making clear the way to follow that leads to the fulfillment of that search?

Trying to find fault in me for failing to do what only you can do for yourself doesn't conceal your cowardice.

And as it is written. "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

cry about it all you like, ITS THE LAW.

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understand so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, openly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

 

[hobelim]

Passing the buck of responsibility? thats hilarious.

You are the one supposedly seeking evidence of a God, not me.....

If you won't apply your mind to understand and conform to the codified instructions about how one goes about finding God what do you expect me to do for you aside from what I have already done in pointing you in the right direction, making clear the way to follow that leads to the fulfillment of that search?

Trying to find fault in me for failing to do what only you can do for yourself doesn't conceal your cowardice.

And as it is written. "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."

cry about it all you like, ITS THE LAW.

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understand so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, openly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably proves what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God while you scratch you head and ask "where's the proof." lol.....

neener-neener. lol...

 

[G.T.]

I dont care for your beta review of my intent or inaction - but the case remains that you're unable to demonstrate a justification for your belief and that's now empirical.

"youre not ready to listen" is not an excuse, it's a deflection.

You can do the hurr dee durr all day long about what you think that I do and don't understand and still.....at the end of all of that time wasted, you'll have demonstrated an inability to independently justify your belief.

Fine by me, you dont have to. But, neither then do the other folks who believe what you call "fairy tale" in the literal sense. You're allowing them the excuse, "you just couldn't understand so I don't need to tell you" .....to pass as their justification - you set that standard. Good on ya.

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, openly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

 

[hobelim]

lol..well hurr dee durr yourself.

If you don't understand what the stories are actually teaching how are you supposed to grasp what I am saying?

Its not about you are not ready to listen, you are incapable of thinking deeply about it..Thats what you have proven.


Pssst!

Your refusal to even try, openly, is not an indication of some flaw in me.

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

 

[G.T.]

Cool excuses - it's just more deflection.

You cannot justify your beliefs independent of others, it's abundantly clear. That's fine. Next time I'm sworn to testify in a Court of Law, I'm going to try this excuse. I'll tell them that the only way I'd be able to testify is if they provide me a jury full of experts in the field to appropriately receive my testimony.

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

 

[BULLDOG]

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Poor little Hobem doesn't need to justify his belief to anybody. He is free to believe any stupid thing he wants. He won't have to worry about justification unless he wants someone else to share his crazy beliefs. That's when his problems start.

 

[hobelim]

This is an insignificant message board .


If you want me to provide proof, I can, and have already provided enough independently verified evidence to both prove what I claim and be acquitted of your false accusations by a jury of my peers in any court of law.

but then you would have to call me Sir.

and I really don't think you could handle that...

You would be better off just trying to learn what hebrew shepherds were teaching their children....just try.

You can do it!

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

 

[hobelim]

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Poor little Hobem doesn't need to justify his belief to anybody. He is free to believe any stupid thing he wants. He won't have to worry about justification unless he wants someone else to share his crazy beliefs. That's when his problems start.

lol....

You can't unread what you have read, un-see what I have shown you, or undo what I have done.

It will be like a consuming fire burning inside of you until you confess the truth of it all and turn to me to be healed.

Is that crazy enough? or maybe I'm just messing with you..maybe not.. who can say?

 

[G.T.]

It's a Messageboard centered on Debate.

When I engage in Debate, I expect a decorum of Logic to be followed; else, it's a waste of my time and my interlocutor's and that's whether I like them or not.

In discourse, claims are made and then the claimant attempts to justify them as the interlocutor cross examines, and hopefully the outcome is that all parties are somewhat closer to an agreed upon truth.

It's not a perfect process, and doesn't always achieve results - but literally all you've done is make the claim a God exists and then when asked to Justify such, deflected to other folks' abilities or non-abilities to "receive" your justification. That's not discourse, that's devolving into meta neener-neener crap and it all stems from your inability and refusal to justify your claim.

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

False - you need to ask a counterpart a series of questions in lieu of justifying your claim independently of anyone. It's fine, you're incapable or unwilling - but it's really not my responsibility.

 

[BULLDOG]

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Poor little Hobem doesn't need to justify his belief to anybody. He is free to believe any stupid thing he wants. He won't have to worry about justification unless he wants someone else to share his crazy beliefs. That's when his problems start.

lol....

You can't unread what you have read, un-see what I have shown you, or undo what I have done.

It will be like a consuming fire burning inside of you until you confess the truth of it all and turn to me to be healed.

Is that crazy enough? or maybe I'm just messing with you..maybe not.. who can say?

I'll keep that in mind, but I'm doing fine in the healing department right now. Could you get me a huge house, or one of those new jets that God is handing out to TV preachers instead? I could use one of each.

 

[hobelim]

To add to the list of things that go above your head, I am not interested in convincing you of anything. That would truly be a waste of time. I am engaging you for the benefit of those standing around, watching.

You might not realize this but mysteries and things kept secret since the creation of heaven and earth are being revealed to more highly evolved creatures that irrefutably prove what I claim about having an intimate knowledge of God.....

neener-neener. lol...

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

False - you need to ask a counterpart a series of questions in lieu of justifying your claim independently of anyone. It's fine, you're incapable or unwilling - but it's really not my responsibility.

Fine, If I ever find a counterpart I'll ask them if I ever doubt the vindication of my beliefs, proof already requested and provided by God to people, believers and atheists alike, who doubted my assertions of having what people call a divine visitation and continuing revelations from the living God decades ago.

 

[hobelim]

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Poor little Hobem doesn't need to justify his belief to anybody. He is free to believe any stupid thing he wants. He won't have to worry about justification unless he wants someone else to share his crazy beliefs. That's when his problems start.

lol....

You can't unread what you have read, un-see what I have shown you, or undo what I have done.

It will be like a consuming fire burning inside of you until you confess the truth of it all and turn to me to be healed.

Is that crazy enough? or maybe I'm just messing with you..maybe not.. who can say?

I'll keep that in mind, but I'm doing fine in the healing department right now. Could you get me a huge house, or one of those new jets that God is handing out to TV preachers instead? I could use one of each.

Sure,but you will have to undergo a personal interview first so that I can assess your skills and qualifications...

 

[G.T.]

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

False - you need to ask a counterpart a series of questions in lieu of justifying your claim independently of anyone. It's fine, you're incapable or unwilling - but it's really not my responsibility.

Fine, If I ever find a counterpart I'll ask them if I ever doubt the vindication of my beliefs, proof already requested and provided by God to people, believers and atheists alike, who doubted my assertions of having what people call a divine visitation and continuing revelations from the living God decades ago.

Sounds good, dude.

 

[ding]

You can rationalize it any way you wish, and I'll just go ahead and keep believing you're incapable. That's cool by me, consider me as dumb as you'd like while your justification remains as blank as a check written from the US to Israel.

uh, huh, very interesting..

There goes that something ugly exposing itself again....

Whatever you want, sure - you're still firing blanks in-terms of justifying your claim.

Here's a claim that I can justify: You're incapable of justifying your belief in God on this message board, independently.
Here's my justification: Hobelim, why don't you go ahead and justify your belief in God?
Hobelim's response: "youre not worthy....you cant understand....I dont want to...you're not worthy....you couldn't understand.......i dont want to"


That's meeting my burden of proof when I make a claim. That makes one of us.

Its not that I don't want to show you something, its that you don't want to see.

I'm really Ok with that...

False - you need to ask a counterpart a series of questions in lieu of justifying your claim independently of anyone. It's fine, you're incapable or unwilling - but it's really not my responsibility.

Fine, If I ever find a counterpart I'll ask them if I ever doubt the vindication of my beliefs, proof already requested and provided by God to people, believers and atheists alike, who doubted my assertions of having what people call a divine visitation and continuing revelations from the living God decades ago.

Are you certain you weren't doing acid?