You’ll never guess the top political label in America

[Not2BSubjugated]

One thing that is clear. Each party tends to misrepresent what the others are about.

Conservatives are not about serving the wealthy. Not all of them are white and wealthy. They are not all racists. Most Repub presidents have been business owners. They understand wealth creation and building a ladder for people to climb to the top. They don't want people to be poor, they want them to jump in the game and take advantage of the opportunities this country offers. When it comes to welfare, they want a safety net, not a hammock. People need to make themselves more desirable to employers and too many don't do that. Offering an out through welfare doesn't put any fear in people about consequences of bad choices. It would help if politicians got out of the way and stopped making it more difficult for companies to expand and hire.

ALL politicians cater to the real 1%, which is the Federal Reserve.

Liberals are not all about serving the poor. Not all liberals are poor. There are more wealthy Dem politicians than Repub politicians. Some Dems are racist, as are their policies. Most Dem presidents have been lawyers. They don't understand how wealth is created, but they are experts at getting their hands on other peoples' money, keeping some for themselves and giving the rest to their clients. By confiscating tax dollars, they don't make other people wealthy, they don't create wealth and they don't help people climb out of poverty. They sustain them in poverty, which means they have to keep confiscating indefinitely. If there were few poor people, the problem would be so easy to manage that most of their programs would fall apart. They would have nothing to run on. They must always have villains to protect people from.

Libertarians are not all about eliminating government. It's about following the founders' vision of having a small government controlled by the people, not the 1%.

We do need to abolish the Federal Reserve. It was never supposed to be created in the first place and the banks are the ones who designed it. Anyone believe that their goal was to serve the people? An accurate audit would likely result in people wanting to end it. Few understand the damage they do and the fact that they were never supposed to exist in the first place.

The FDA and other government agencies started innocently enough and had clear goals, but virtually all have expanded to ridiculous sizes and have gone further than they have a right to under the constitution. Safeguarding and ensuring that private companies abide by fair laws are one thing, seeking to control private companies in every aspect is another.

Government's role is to uphold the constitution by creating reasonable laws and enforcing them. We're already in trouble right there because it is impossible for them to enforce all the laws on the books at this time. And many are not reasonable. Laws are currently used to prosecute certain people, but not everyone. Virtually all of us are guilty of some violation, but unless they have reason to come after us, we need not worry. In the past, countries used an oppressive amount of laws to punish political dissenters. Everyone was safe as long as they obeyed and didn't speak out, but there were constant threats hanging over people's head if they went against the powers that be.

The FDA is supposed to protect consumers against low standards with our food and medicines. Has that stopped bad drugs and substandard food from hitting the market? No. Yet some people trust everything they say, despite a history of being wrong on many things. They also seek to ban things, like transfat, yet at the same time allow drugs with serious side effects to hit the pharmacy shelves. Thing is, everyone knows fat is bad for you, but we have to trust others to tell us if prescription drugs are safe. When it really matters, we can't rely on them.

The EPA is supposed to be all about clean air and water and ensuring that everyone respects that and acts accordingly, yet now they are all about creating laws that seek to redistribute money by making cap and trade a reality. They, like other agencies and appointed people, are there to make things happen when they don't have the support of congress or the people. They are shortcuts to pursue agendas.

The bigger they become, the more corrupt and expensive. Time to pare down or eliminate them.

One agency could likely take on the responsibility of many and we should streamline things to be more efficient.

Yes, we need a military and we can cut a lot of waste from that as well. The point of military is to protect the country. A big job that needs a strong military.

Of course, part of the national security is securing the borders and I would say some do that as well as they do anything. They give us lip service is lieu of action and we are worse off for it.

A HUGE pile of dogma, ignorance and right wing propaganda...

The 'Reagan revolution' was the biggest failure in American history.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.” That was Barack Obama in 2008. When Attacked, Obama's Now Hitting Back And he was right. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy.
Charles Krauthammer

So this libertarian argument is invalid because Reagan sucks and he's overrated, and the debt is the fault of Republicans.

I didn't realize that Reagan was a libertarian hero, or that libertarians sign off on unbalanced government budgets based on which name was attached. Thank you for defining the libertarian philosophy for us libertarians. I wasn't aware we needed your help finding our own opinions, but I'm grateful nonetheless.

Way to put it to that strawman lol

 

[Bfgrn]

One thing that is clear. Each party tends to misrepresent what the others are about.

Conservatives are not about serving the wealthy. Not all of them are white and wealthy. They are not all racists. Most Repub presidents have been business owners. They understand wealth creation and building a ladder for people to climb to the top. They don't want people to be poor, they want them to jump in the game and take advantage of the opportunities this country offers. When it comes to welfare, they want a safety net, not a hammock. People need to make themselves more desirable to employers and too many don't do that. Offering an out through welfare doesn't put any fear in people about consequences of bad choices. It would help if politicians got out of the way and stopped making it more difficult for companies to expand and hire.

ALL politicians cater to the real 1%, which is the Federal Reserve.

Liberals are not all about serving the poor. Not all liberals are poor. There are more wealthy Dem politicians than Repub politicians. Some Dems are racist, as are their policies. Most Dem presidents have been lawyers. They don't understand how wealth is created, but they are experts at getting their hands on other peoples' money, keeping some for themselves and giving the rest to their clients. By confiscating tax dollars, they don't make other people wealthy, they don't create wealth and they don't help people climb out of poverty. They sustain them in poverty, which means they have to keep confiscating indefinitely. If there were few poor people, the problem would be so easy to manage that most of their programs would fall apart. They would have nothing to run on. They must always have villains to protect people from.

Libertarians are not all about eliminating government. It's about following the founders' vision of having a small government controlled by the people, not the 1%.

We do need to abolish the Federal Reserve. It was never supposed to be created in the first place and the banks are the ones who designed it. Anyone believe that their goal was to serve the people? An accurate audit would likely result in people wanting to end it. Few understand the damage they do and the fact that they were never supposed to exist in the first place.

The FDA and other government agencies started innocently enough and had clear goals, but virtually all have expanded to ridiculous sizes and have gone further than they have a right to under the constitution. Safeguarding and ensuring that private companies abide by fair laws are one thing, seeking to control private companies in every aspect is another.

Government's role is to uphold the constitution by creating reasonable laws and enforcing them. We're already in trouble right there because it is impossible for them to enforce all the laws on the books at this time. And many are not reasonable. Laws are currently used to prosecute certain people, but not everyone. Virtually all of us are guilty of some violation, but unless they have reason to come after us, we need not worry. In the past, countries used an oppressive amount of laws to punish political dissenters. Everyone was safe as long as they obeyed and didn't speak out, but there were constant threats hanging over people's head if they went against the powers that be.

The FDA is supposed to protect consumers against low standards with our food and medicines. Has that stopped bad drugs and substandard food from hitting the market? No. Yet some people trust everything they say, despite a history of being wrong on many things. They also seek to ban things, like transfat, yet at the same time allow drugs with serious side effects to hit the pharmacy shelves. Thing is, everyone knows fat is bad for you, but we have to trust others to tell us if prescription drugs are safe. When it really matters, we can't rely on them.

The EPA is supposed to be all about clean air and water and ensuring that everyone respects that and acts accordingly, yet now they are all about creating laws that seek to redistribute money by making cap and trade a reality. They, like other agencies and appointed people, are there to make things happen when they don't have the support of congress or the people. They are shortcuts to pursue agendas.

The bigger they become, the more corrupt and expensive. Time to pare down or eliminate them.

One agency could likely take on the responsibility of many and we should streamline things to be more efficient.

Yes, we need a military and we can cut a lot of waste from that as well. The point of military is to protect the country. A big job that needs a strong military.

Of course, part of the national security is securing the borders and I would say some do that as well as they do anything. They give us lip service is lieu of action and we are worse off for it.

A HUGE pile of dogma, ignorance and right wing propaganda...

The 'Reagan revolution' was the biggest failure in American history.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.” That was Barack Obama in 2008. When Attacked, Obama's Now Hitting Back And he was right. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy.
Charles Krauthammer

So this libertarian argument is invalid because Reagan sucks and he's overrated, and the debt is the fault of Republicans.

I didn't realize that Reagan was a libertarian hero, or that libertarians sign off on unbalanced government budgets based on which name was attached. Thank you for defining the libertarian philosophy for us libertarians. I wasn't aware we needed your help finding our own opinions, but I'm grateful nonetheless.

Way to put it to that strawman lol

Clementine's argument is much more right wing dogma than libertarian, and much more laissez faire than conservative.


Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.
Edmund Burke

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke