"Your children will soon not know what snow is"....

[flacaltenn]

Areas of the Big Horn Mountains around Yellowstone are barely above freezing already during the day time.. There is still 20' of snow in many high mountain valley locations.. We just unburied a couple of the snow-tel stations to repair telemetry and measurement instrumentation. When we assessed compaction of the snow, its going to have to get very hot to melt it all. I just don't see it happening with the temps already falling.

The SNOTEL data for Colorado shows a deepest reading of ... 0.4 inches.

https://wcc.sc.egov.usda.gov/report...Colorado&format=SNOTEL+Snowpack+Update+Report

It must have taken an immense effort for Billy to unbury that 0.4 inches.

Oh wait, this is Billy. He's an outright fraud who just makes crap up. He's never set foot near a snotel station.

SNOTEL is looking at the wrong places then. Because in the Sierras, the upper passes to Yosemite are not open yet. And it's MORE than 0.4" that they are skiing on in the Sierras..

 

[flacaltenn]

Correction,, they just blasted open the Main Road thru the upper meadows in Yosemite. Took an UNPRECEDENTED amount of manhours and equipment for that 0.4" of snow...

 

[flacaltenn]

Areas of the Big Horn Mountains around Yellowstone are barely above freezing already during the day time.. There is still 20' of snow in many high mountain valley locations.. We just unburied a couple of the snow-tel stations to repair telemetry and measurement instrumentation. When we assessed compaction of the snow, its going to have to get very hot to melt it all. I just don't see it happening with the temps already falling.

The SNOTEL data for Colorado shows a deepest reading of ... 0.4 inches.

https://wcc.sc.egov.usda.gov/report...Colorado&format=SNOTEL+Snowpack+Update+Report

It must have taken an immense effort for Billy to unbury that 0.4 inches.

Oh wait, this is Billy. He's an outright fraud who just makes crap up. He's never set foot near a snotel station.

Not so fast SquidWard. It may only read 0.4" from the cushy offices of the no-tell SNOTEL, but these mountain guides aint pushing AVALANCHE sticks into only 0.4" of snow..

ACMG Mountain Conditions Summary for the Rockies and Columbia Mountains issued June 15th, 2017

if you are venturing into big steep snow routes like Lefroy or Sir Sandford it would be worth sticking an avalanche probe into the snow to see if it really frozen full depth or just formed a crust that will leave you hip deep in slush when it melts. Finding yourself hip deep in snow on a big face could be a really lonely kinda feeling.

 

[jon_berzerk]

"Your children will soon not know what snow is"....

a scary and great lie

--LOL

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I live here in Houston and there is no damn snow!

Damn Summer!

 

[Billy_Bob]

Correction,, they just blasted open the Main Road thru the upper meadows in Yosemite. Took an UNPRECEDENTED amount of manhours and equipment for that 0.4" of snow...

A friend told me they are digging out SNOTEL stations in Yosemite that are still fully buried by snow.. 25' is the top end of the register and many high valley locations are still buried.. As for the road I was told that they blasted (literally) ice and snow over 15 feet deep to clear that pass and they warned that the low temps will allow freezing of standing water at night. They are also warning that any major storm could bury the road in snow again. Upper level winds and air temps are very low for this time of year, at or below freezing.

Too Funny how these idiot alarmist don't have a damn clue...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Areas of the Big Horn Mountains around Yellowstone are barely above freezing already during the day time.. There is still 20' of snow in many high mountain valley locations.. We just unburied a couple of the snow-tel stations to repair telemetry and measurement instrumentation. When we assessed compaction of the snow, its going to have to get very hot to melt it all. I just don't see it happening with the temps already falling.

The SNOTEL data for Colorado shows a deepest reading of ... 0.4 inches.

https://wcc.sc.egov.usda.gov/report...Colorado&format=SNOTEL+Snowpack+Update+Report

It must have taken an immense effort for Billy to unbury that 0.4 inches.

Oh wait, this is Billy. He's an outright fraud who just makes crap up. He's never set foot near a snotel station.

You failed to read the problem reports... Or you would know that the readings are WRONG due to telemetry and operational equipment malfunctions.... LOL.. Fucking Idiot!

We used snow cats to get where we needed to go... I suppose your keyboard is just .4 inches deep too..

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yow -- skiing in shorts. My kind of sport.. ESPECIALLY in July in the Sierras.....


California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

By Chaffin Mitchell, AccuWeather staff writer
July 03, 2017, 2:31:08 PM EDT
Instead of heading to the beach for Fourth of July festivities, thousands of Californians will hit the slopes to enjoy rare late-season skiing due to bountiful winter snowfall.

The old "it's snowing here, so there can't be any global warming" argument....

Nope. Not this time. It refers to a specific PREDICTION made by one of those Pre-eminent GW scholars at Univ of East Anglia. Center of the later Climate Gate email controversy. And were ENDORSED and made more FEARFUL by others close to his academic orbit...

he said --

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph


The Independent, 2000:
Snow is starting to disappear from our lives. Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries … Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community … According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.



Top British Experts : “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.


So this is NOT discussing weather. It's discussing specific PREDICTIONS and Brain Farts uttered nearly 2 decades ago now. I think the "children are safely aware of snow" even today....

THIS is why GW lost traction and credibility. Because of EXCESSIVE attempts to panic the herd and fear monger when they didn't have the total picture of how the Climate operates..

So, what was this guy's timeline for kids not seeing snow in Britain? 5 years? 100 years?

 

[flacaltenn]

Yow -- skiing in shorts. My kind of sport.. ESPECIALLY in July in the Sierras.....


California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

By Chaffin Mitchell, AccuWeather staff writer
July 03, 2017, 2:31:08 PM EDT
Instead of heading to the beach for Fourth of July festivities, thousands of Californians will hit the slopes to enjoy rare late-season skiing due to bountiful winter snowfall.

The old "it's snowing here, so there can't be any global warming" argument....

Nope. Not this time. It refers to a specific PREDICTION made by one of those Pre-eminent GW scholars at Univ of East Anglia. Center of the later Climate Gate email controversy. And were ENDORSED and made more FEARFUL by others close to his academic orbit...

he said --

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph


The Independent, 2000:
Snow is starting to disappear from our lives. Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries … Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community … According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.



Top British Experts : “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.


So this is NOT discussing weather. It's discussing specific PREDICTIONS and Brain Farts uttered nearly 2 decades ago now. I think the "children are safely aware of snow" even today....

THIS is why GW lost traction and credibility. Because of EXCESSIVE attempts to panic the herd and fear monger when they didn't have the total picture of how the Climate operates..

So, what was this guy's timeline for kids not seeing snow in Britain? 5 years? 100 years?

He was claiming it was IN PROGRESS. Read the quote. Meant to frighten and panic people. Just like ALL the earlier scary predictions and scenarios.

At one time before Paris --- we LITERALLY only HAD 243 days left to save the planet from IRREVERSIBLE doom. That kind of horsepucky is gone. Hopefully for good. And what we'll get is OBJECTIVE science -- not activist scientists feeding the press horror stories.

It's all good. Science is resilient. It eventually finds a better equilibrium. Without all the Angst and shouting..

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yow -- skiing in shorts. My kind of sport.. ESPECIALLY in July in the Sierras.....


California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

By Chaffin Mitchell, AccuWeather staff writer
July 03, 2017, 2:31:08 PM EDT
Instead of heading to the beach for Fourth of July festivities, thousands of Californians will hit the slopes to enjoy rare late-season skiing due to bountiful winter snowfall.

The old "it's snowing here, so there can't be any global warming" argument....

Nope. Not this time. It refers to a specific PREDICTION made by one of those Pre-eminent GW scholars at Univ of East Anglia. Center of the later Climate Gate email controversy. And were ENDORSED and made more FEARFUL by others close to his academic orbit...

he said --

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph


The Independent, 2000:
Snow is starting to disappear from our lives. Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries … Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community … According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.



Top British Experts : “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.


So this is NOT discussing weather. It's discussing specific PREDICTIONS and Brain Farts uttered nearly 2 decades ago now. I think the "children are safely aware of snow" even today....

THIS is why GW lost traction and credibility. Because of EXCESSIVE attempts to panic the herd and fear monger when they didn't have the total picture of how the Climate operates..

So, what was this guy's timeline for kids not seeing snow in Britain? 5 years? 100 years?

He was claiming it was IN PROGRESS. Read the quote. Meant to frighten and panic people. Just like ALL the earlier scary predictions and scenarios.

At one time before Paris --- we LITERALLY only HAD 243 days left to save the planet from IRREVERSIBLE doom. That kind of horsepucky is gone. Hopefully for good. And what we'll get is OBJECTIVE science -- not activist scientists feeding the press horror stories.

It's all good. Science is resilient. It eventually finds a better equilibrium. Without all the Angst and shouting..

Is it not in progress?

I mean, if in 100 years time there is no snow seen in England, and the progress is taking place now, wouldn't that mean his prediction would be right?

 

[flacaltenn]

Yow -- skiing in shorts. My kind of sport.. ESPECIALLY in July in the Sierras.....


California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

California ski resorts remain open for July 4th and beyond thanks to bountiful winter

By Chaffin Mitchell, AccuWeather staff writer
July 03, 2017, 2:31:08 PM EDT
Instead of heading to the beach for Fourth of July festivities, thousands of Californians will hit the slopes to enjoy rare late-season skiing due to bountiful winter snowfall.

The old "it's snowing here, so there can't be any global warming" argument....

Nope. Not this time. It refers to a specific PREDICTION made by one of those Pre-eminent GW scholars at Univ of East Anglia. Center of the later Climate Gate email controversy. And were ENDORSED and made more FEARFUL by others close to his academic orbit...

he said --

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph


The Independent, 2000:
Snow is starting to disappear from our lives. Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries … Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community … According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.



Top British Experts : “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.


So this is NOT discussing weather. It's discussing specific PREDICTIONS and Brain Farts uttered nearly 2 decades ago now. I think the "children are safely aware of snow" even today....

THIS is why GW lost traction and credibility. Because of EXCESSIVE attempts to panic the herd and fear monger when they didn't have the total picture of how the Climate operates..

So, what was this guy's timeline for kids not seeing snow in Britain? 5 years? 100 years?

He was claiming it was IN PROGRESS. Read the quote. Meant to frighten and panic people. Just like ALL the earlier scary predictions and scenarios.

At one time before Paris --- we LITERALLY only HAD 243 days left to save the planet from IRREVERSIBLE doom. That kind of horsepucky is gone. Hopefully for good. And what we'll get is OBJECTIVE science -- not activist scientists feeding the press horror stories.

It's all good. Science is resilient. It eventually finds a better equilibrium. Without all the Angst and shouting..

Is it not in progress?

I mean, if in 100 years time there is no snow seen in England, and the progress is taking place now, wouldn't that mean his prediction would be right?

Read the fucking irresponsible comments. They were DESIGNED to shock and scare people. That's why it's all dying and going away. Because they wasted their cred on this "movement".

If they meant in a 100 years - they'd be talking out of their asses. Since the "emissions" scenario is so gd fuzzy just 25 years into the future. NO -- these guys MEANT 'your children".

ALL of these predictions have been revised downward. And we don't see the daily, monthly barrage of doom and cataclysmic destruction that was being predicted even back 5 years ago..

 

[frigidweirdo]

The old "it's snowing here, so there can't be any global warming" argument....

Nope. Not this time. It refers to a specific PREDICTION made by one of those Pre-eminent GW scholars at Univ of East Anglia. Center of the later Climate Gate email controversy. And were ENDORSED and made more FEARFUL by others close to his academic orbit...

he said --

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph


The Independent, 2000:
Snow is starting to disappear from our lives. Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters – which scientists are attributing to global climate change – produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries … Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community … According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.



Top British Experts : “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.


So this is NOT discussing weather. It's discussing specific PREDICTIONS and Brain Farts uttered nearly 2 decades ago now. I think the "children are safely aware of snow" even today....

THIS is why GW lost traction and credibility. Because of EXCESSIVE attempts to panic the herd and fear monger when they didn't have the total picture of how the Climate operates..

So, what was this guy's timeline for kids not seeing snow in Britain? 5 years? 100 years?

He was claiming it was IN PROGRESS. Read the quote. Meant to frighten and panic people. Just like ALL the earlier scary predictions and scenarios.

At one time before Paris --- we LITERALLY only HAD 243 days left to save the planet from IRREVERSIBLE doom. That kind of horsepucky is gone. Hopefully for good. And what we'll get is OBJECTIVE science -- not activist scientists feeding the press horror stories.

It's all good. Science is resilient. It eventually finds a better equilibrium. Without all the Angst and shouting..

Is it not in progress?

I mean, if in 100 years time there is no snow seen in England, and the progress is taking place now, wouldn't that mean his prediction would be right?

Read the fucking irresponsible comments. They were DESIGNED to shock and scare people. That's why it's all dying and going away. Because they wasted their cred on this "movement".

If they meant in a 100 years - they'd be talking out of their asses. Since the "emissions" scenario is so gd fuzzy just 25 years into the future. NO -- these guys MEANT 'your children".

ALL of these predictions have been revised downward. And we don't see the daily, monthly barrage of doom and cataclysmic destruction that was being predicted even back 5 years ago..

Wait. Whether they were designed to scare people is your opinion. I'm asking about facts here.

What was the timeline this guy was using?

 

[mamooth]

Not so fast SquidWard. It may only read 0.4" from the cushy offices of the no-tell SNOTEL, but these mountain guides aint pushing AVALANCHE sticks into only 0.4" of snow..

So? Nobody ever said there wasn't snow on the mountaintops. SNOTEL stations are in the passes at around 10,000 feet. The passes in Colorado have all melted. You're attacking a strawman.

You're also implying that the "no-tell SNOTEL" network is not reporting good data. That is, you're running off into conspiracy cuckoo land again.

Correction,, they just blasted open the Main Road thru the upper meadows in Yosemite. Took an UNPRECEDENTED amount of manhours and equipment for that 0.4" of snow...

Tioga pass is in California, and the topic is Billy's big lies about Colorado. You're trying to run cover for Billy's lies by deflecting.

 

[mamooth]

You failed to read the problem reports...

You've just told us the problem reports are available online to read. That means you should be able to link to those problem reports, if you're not lying. So do so.

Or you would know that the readings are WRONG due to telemetry and operational equipment malfunctions.... LOL.. Fucking Idiot!

Fascinating, how every SNOTEL station in Colorado suddenly malfunctioned simultaneously.

We used snow cats to get where we needed to go... I suppose your keyboard is just .4 inches deep too..

There's no mention of snocats on the SNOTEL site. They talk about skiing or helicopters. It would be rather suicidal to drive snocats into a backcountry area with 20 feet of snow on the slopes, given the avalanche risk.

Tell us more about the "unburying". Did you all break out shovels? I'm sure someone must have photographed this heroic undertaking, so please share your photos with us.

And just who are your "colleagues", and why did they bring you along?

 

[mamooth]

As for the road I was told that they blasted (literally) ice and snow over 15 feet deep to clear that pass

Do you or flac have any actual evidence for your crazy "blasting" assertions?

I just ask because blasting a roadway to clear snow is a really stupid thing to do. It would damage the road, and bring down avalanches, all for no good reason. If the ice and snow was that deep, you'd simply leave the road closed.

and they warned that the low temps will allow freezing of standing water at night. They are also warning that any major storm could bury the road in snow again. Upper level winds and air temps are very low for this time of year, at or below freezing.

As usual, totally wrong. Check out how _not_ cold the west is right now. The extra snowpack is keeping the Sierras a bit cool, but that lost heat is going into melting snow at a record pace.

The Sierra snowpack is massive, and melting fast

 

[Toro]

Good stuff!

I've seen in 11 months of the year where I grew up. If I never see it again, it will be too soon.

So here's to Global Warming!