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I want clean air, clean water and unpolluted soil. Tell me how oil sands are clean, coal is clean and solar and renewable sources are bad.
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
Sorry but you're wrong.
My state doesn't have any coal fired plants producing electricity. We don't have any nuclear plants producing electricity.
We have water and wind that produce our electricity. And some solar.
We have so much of it that we sell the excess to other states.
While most states were still staying slaves to coal and other dirty forms of energy in the 90s, my state was building one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We have places here that have so much wind that they're called the Saudi Arabia of wind.
We don't need dirty coal or tar sand to produce energy. We can produce our own energy that's clean and renewable. Washington state proves it everyday.
What state?
If you had read the whole post you would know what state. Take a look at the last sentence. You'll get your answer.
Why does it matter what state I'm in? My state proves you very wrong.
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
How does Washington state prove my previous post very wrong?
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
Sorry but you're wrong.
My state doesn't have any coal fired plants producing electricity. We don't have any nuclear plants producing electricity.
We have water and wind that produce our electricity. And some solar.
We have so much of it that we sell the excess to other states.
While most states were still staying slaves to coal and other dirty forms of energy in the 90s, my state was building one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We have places here that have so much wind that they're called the Saudi Arabia of wind.
We don't need dirty coal or tar sand to produce energy. We can produce our own energy that's clean and renewable. Washington state proves it everyday.
What state?
If you had read the whole post you would know what state. Take a look at the last sentence. You'll get your answer.
Why does it matter what state I'm in? My state proves you very wrong.
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
How does Washington state prove my previous post very wrong?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind. We also use natural gas but not for electricity. It's used to heat and cook with. Our home is natural gas to heat, cook and heat the water.
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington. In fact, we have the highest state minimum wage in the nation. We have a higher median income so we have a higher standard of living than many other states in our nation. We also have a lower unemployment rate than the national rate.
The electricity we have is generated by natural renewable sources. We have a law that requires that a certain percentage of our electricity is generated by alternative renewable sources. Water has been used for over 100 years to generate electricity in my state so it's not considered alternative.
Large portions of Washington state have winds that blow non stop 365 days a year. We started building a wind farm in the 1990s and have been adding to it ever since. We have one of the largest wind farms in the nation.
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources. There are only 2 states in America that have lower electric rates than Washington. They are West Virginia and Idaho. West Virginia's rates are 2 tenths of one penny lower. Idaho is 1 tenth of a penny lower.
While the rest of the nation has been paying through the nose for electricity we don't. We also have no pollution from coal fired plants. All the nuclear facilities have been shut down too.
We not only generate our electricity by alternative and renewable sources, we have so much excess that we sell it to other states like California. When that wind farm was brought on line it generated more electricity than what the existing grid could handle. So we voted to raise our taxes to build a grid that could handle the high amount of electricity generated.
If stopping keystone won't stop tar sand production, what's your problem? And why do you need to lie about alternative energy?
Sorry but you're wrong.
My state doesn't have any coal fired plants producing electricity. We don't have any nuclear plants producing electricity.
We have water and wind that produce our electricity. And some solar.
We have so much of it that we sell the excess to other states.
While most states were still staying slaves to coal and other dirty forms of energy in the 90s, my state was building one of the largest wind farms in the nation. We have places here that have so much wind that they're called the Saudi Arabia of wind.
We don't need dirty coal or tar sand to produce energy. We can produce our own energy that's clean and renewable. Washington state proves it everyday.
What state?
If you had read the whole post you would know what state. Take a look at the last sentence. You'll get your answer.
Why does it matter what state I'm in? My state proves you very wrong.
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
How does Washington state prove my previous post very wrong?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind. We also use natural gas but not for electricity. It's used to heat and cook with. Our home is natural gas to heat, cook and heat the water.
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington. In fact, we have the highest state minimum wage in the nation. We have a higher median income so we have a higher standard of living than many other states in our nation. We also have a lower unemployment rate than the national rate.
The electricity we have is generated by natural renewable sources. We have a law that requires that a certain percentage of our electricity is generated by alternative renewable sources. Water has been used for over 100 years to generate electricity in my state so it's not considered alternative.
Large portions of Washington state have winds that blow non stop 365 days a year. We started building a wind farm in the 1990s and have been adding to it ever since. We have one of the largest wind farms in the nation.
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources. There are only 2 states in America that have lower electric rates than Washington. They are West Virginia and Idaho. West Virginia's rates are 2 tenths of one penny lower. Idaho is 1 tenth of a penny lower.
While the rest of the nation has been paying through the nose for electricity we don't. We also have no pollution from coal fired plants. All the nuclear facilities have been shut down too.
We not only generate our electricity by alternative and renewable sources, we have so much excess that we sell it to other states like California. When that wind farm was brought on line it generated more electricity than what the existing grid could handle. So we voted to raise our taxes to build a grid that could handle the high amount of electricity generated.
If stopping keystone won't stop tar sand production, what's your problem? And why do you need to lie about alternative energy?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind.
That is just awesome! And wrong.
Columbia Generating Station produces approximately 1,170 megawatts of electricity, equivalent to about 10 percent of Washington's power and 4 percent of all the electric power used in the Pacific Northwest.
It is the only commercial nuclear energy facility in the region.
Columbia Generating Station
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington.
Great!
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources.
Wind is more expensive. And less reliable.
And it requires baseline capacity.
Now that we're done with your tangent, how does hydropower in Washington state help eliminate coal in the Midwest or on the East Coast?
What state?
If you had read the whole post you would know what state. Take a look at the last sentence. You'll get your answer.
Why does it matter what state I'm in? My state proves you very wrong.
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
How does Washington state prove my previous post very wrong?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind. We also use natural gas but not for electricity. It's used to heat and cook with. Our home is natural gas to heat, cook and heat the water.
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington. In fact, we have the highest state minimum wage in the nation. We have a higher median income so we have a higher standard of living than many other states in our nation. We also have a lower unemployment rate than the national rate.
The electricity we have is generated by natural renewable sources. We have a law that requires that a certain percentage of our electricity is generated by alternative renewable sources. Water has been used for over 100 years to generate electricity in my state so it's not considered alternative.
Large portions of Washington state have winds that blow non stop 365 days a year. We started building a wind farm in the 1990s and have been adding to it ever since. We have one of the largest wind farms in the nation.
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources. There are only 2 states in America that have lower electric rates than Washington. They are West Virginia and Idaho. West Virginia's rates are 2 tenths of one penny lower. Idaho is 1 tenth of a penny lower.
While the rest of the nation has been paying through the nose for electricity we don't. We also have no pollution from coal fired plants. All the nuclear facilities have been shut down too.
We not only generate our electricity by alternative and renewable sources, we have so much excess that we sell it to other states like California. When that wind farm was brought on line it generated more electricity than what the existing grid could handle. So we voted to raise our taxes to build a grid that could handle the high amount of electricity generated.
If stopping keystone won't stop tar sand production, what's your problem? And why do you need to lie about alternative energy?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind.
That is just awesome! And wrong.
Columbia Generating Station produces approximately 1,170 megawatts of electricity, equivalent to about 10 percent of Washington's power and 4 percent of all the electric power used in the Pacific Northwest.
It is the only commercial nuclear energy facility in the region.
Columbia Generating Station
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington.
Great!
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources.
Wind is more expensive. And less reliable.
And it requires baseline capacity.
Now that we're done with your tangent, how does hydropower in Washington state help eliminate coal in the Midwest or on the East Coast?
Thank you very much for that information. I didn't know that there was any nuclear plants that generated any electricity in Washington.
However 10% is a very low number. The rest, 90% comes from water, wind and some solar.
Unlike other states, we don't have any coal fired plants generating electricity. The last one is now being shut down and will be completely shut down by the end of 2015.
If alternative energy was so expensive then why does Washington have lower rates than 47 states? Why do only 2 states have lower electric rates and only by 1 and 2 tenths of one penny?
The fact that we generate more electricity than we use and sell it to other states is a huge indication that alternative energy generates a lot of electricity and it's very inexpensive.
You can keep saying that lie over and over but it won't be less of a lie.
You drive by a nuclear power plant on the way to Aberdeen from Tacoma.
If you had read the whole post you would know what state. Take a look at the last sentence. You'll get your answer.
Why does it matter what state I'm in? My state proves you very wrong.
If you want to eliminate coal, support building new nuclear plants.
Solar and wind are expensive, unreliable and require nuclear, coal or natural gas baseline capacity.
Stopping Keystone won't stop tar sand oil production.
How does Washington state prove my previous post very wrong?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind. We also use natural gas but not for electricity. It's used to heat and cook with. Our home is natural gas to heat, cook and heat the water.
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington. In fact, we have the highest state minimum wage in the nation. We have a higher median income so we have a higher standard of living than many other states in our nation. We also have a lower unemployment rate than the national rate.
The electricity we have is generated by natural renewable sources. We have a law that requires that a certain percentage of our electricity is generated by alternative renewable sources. Water has been used for over 100 years to generate electricity in my state so it's not considered alternative.
Large portions of Washington state have winds that blow non stop 365 days a year. We started building a wind farm in the 1990s and have been adding to it ever since. We have one of the largest wind farms in the nation.
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources. There are only 2 states in America that have lower electric rates than Washington. They are West Virginia and Idaho. West Virginia's rates are 2 tenths of one penny lower. Idaho is 1 tenth of a penny lower.
While the rest of the nation has been paying through the nose for electricity we don't. We also have no pollution from coal fired plants. All the nuclear facilities have been shut down too.
We not only generate our electricity by alternative and renewable sources, we have so much excess that we sell it to other states like California. When that wind farm was brought on line it generated more electricity than what the existing grid could handle. So we voted to raise our taxes to build a grid that could handle the high amount of electricity generated.
If stopping keystone won't stop tar sand production, what's your problem? And why do you need to lie about alternative energy?
Because Washington doesn't use coal or nuclear plants to generate electricity. As I said in my post, we use water and wind.
That is just awesome! And wrong.
Columbia Generating Station produces approximately 1,170 megawatts of electricity, equivalent to about 10 percent of Washington's power and 4 percent of all the electric power used in the Pacific Northwest.
It is the only commercial nuclear energy facility in the region.
Columbia Generating Station
Because no one took any pay cut because of alternative energy here in Washington.
Great!
Because of that we prove that it's not more expensive to use alternative and renewable sources.
Wind is more expensive. And less reliable.
And it requires baseline capacity.
Now that we're done with your tangent, how does hydropower in Washington state help eliminate coal in the Midwest or on the East Coast?
Thank you very much for that information. I didn't know that there was any nuclear plants that generated any electricity in Washington.
However 10% is a very low number. The rest, 90% comes from water, wind and some solar.
Unlike other states, we don't have any coal fired plants generating electricity. The last one is now being shut down and will be completely shut down by the end of 2015.
If alternative energy was so expensive then why does Washington have lower rates than 47 states? Why do only 2 states have lower electric rates and only by 1 and 2 tenths of one penny?
The fact that we generate more electricity than we use and sell it to other states is a huge indication that alternative energy generates a lot of electricity and it's very inexpensive.
You can keep saying that lie over and over but it won't be less of a lie.
Unlike other states, we don't have any coal fired plants generating electricity. The last one is now being shut down and will be completely shut down by the end of 2015.
You may be mistaken.
Centralia’s plant is Washington state’s largest baseload power source providing reliability and stability to the electrical grid. The plant has a net capacity of 1,340 megawatts and provides about 10 percent of Washington state’s power. Since acquiring the facility in 2000, TransAlta has invested more than $300 million in pollution control technology, including scrubbers, low nitrogen dioxide burners and injected mercury capture technology. In April 2011, the TransAlta Energy Transition bill was signed into law, putting into place the agreement reached by TransAlta, environmental groups, labor and legislators to transition off coal without unduly disrupting the local economy. Of the two units at the Centralia coal plant, one will retire in 2020 and the last in 2025.
If alternative energy was so expensive then why does Washington have lower rates than 47 states?
Hydropower is cheap, cheap, cheap!
Why do only 2 states have lower electric rates and only by 1 and 2 tenths of one penny?
See above.
The fact that we generate more electricity than we use and sell it to other states is a huge indication that alternative energy generates a lot of electricity and it's very inexpensive.
Yes, you have a lot of cheap, reliable hydropower.
Wind, on the other hand is unreliable and much more expensive.
One of the main reasons/excuses that the oil companies use to artificially inflate gasoline prices is that our refineries are either down for repairs or already running at full capacity. How exactly will adding another burden to U S refineries do anything but keep OUR fuel costs high? AND for whom?
These oil companies WE fight and die to protect are not even American. I keep hearing that OUR military enters into these ill advised wars to protect OUR freedoms. What a load of crap! If you believe that YOU ARE A FULL Blown moron. Did Afgahnistan lower OUR gasoline prices? Did Iraq lower OUR gasoline prices?
We should NOT be subsidizing Canada oil refined in U S refineries for refined pertroleum for China or wherever that can ONLY cost us at the pumps.
People like Healthmyths are traitors to America. Yes he has the right to lie to you but you are fools to take anything that POS says at face value.
Piss on any company that uses U S refineries to ultimately overload U S capacity and pass on to U S citizens the cost of refining oil for any other nation. If this scheme is such a good idea why don't they refine the oil in Canada? That and MORE questions still remain un answered. Untill they can gaurantee their little oil scam won't cost me at the pump then fuck these assholes!!!
One of the main reasons/excuses that the oil companies use to artificially inflate gasoline prices is that our refineries are either down for repairs or already running at full capacity. How exactly will adding another burden to U S refineries do anything but keep OUR fuel costs high? AND for whom?
These oil companies WE fight and die to protect are not even American. I keep hearing that OUR military enters into these ill advised wars to protect OUR freedoms. What a load of crap! If you believe that YOU ARE A FULL Blown moron. Did Afgahnistan lower OUR gasoline prices? Did Iraq lower OUR gasoline prices?
We should NOT be subsidizing Canada oil refined in U S refineries for refined pertroleum for China or wherever that can ONLY cost us at the pumps.
People like Healthmyths are traitors to America. Yes he has the right to lie to you but you are fools to take anything that POS says at face value.
Piss on any company that uses U S refineries to ultimately overload U S capacity and pass on to U S citizens the cost of refining oil for any other nation. If this scheme is such a good idea why don't they refine the oil in Canada? That and MORE questions still remain un answered. Untill they can gaurantee their little oil scam won't cost me at the pump then fuck these assholes!!!
If you can't tell the difference between the little red dotted lines underlining YOUR misspelled words how in the f..k do YOU have
the guts to call me a LIAR?
If an idiot like can't even follow the little red dotted lines how in the hell do you have any RIGHT to call me a LIAR!
Word is "guarantee" not gaurantee! Word is "Until" NOT "untill" it is "petroleum" NOT "pertroleum" Afghanistan NOT "Afgahnistan"
I don't give a f...k if people call me a "spelling nazi" the fact if you are too f...king lazy to learn that little dotted line is YOUR friend, how can
ANYONE belief your comments?
Finally you dummy...tell me where the department the Federal Department of Energy Information Analysis are liars?
This is chart from them.
Are you calling THEM liars because I've simply did saw this chart at the EIA web site: How much does it cost to produce crude oil and natural gas - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA
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One of the main reasons/excuses that the oil companies use to artificially inflate gasoline prices is that our refineries are either down for repairs or already running at full capacity. How exactly will adding another burden to U S refineries do anything but keep OUR fuel costs high? AND for whom?
These oil companies WE fight and die to protect are not even American. I keep hearing that OUR military enters into these ill advised wars to protect OUR freedoms. What a load of crap! If you believe that YOU ARE A FULL Blown moron. Did Afgahnistan lower OUR gasoline prices? Did Iraq lower OUR gasoline prices?
We should NOT be subsidizing Canada oil refined in U S refineries for refined pertroleum for China or wherever that can ONLY cost us at the pumps.
People like Healthmyths are traitors to America. Yes he has the right to lie to you but you are fools to take anything that POS says at face value.
Piss on any company that uses U S refineries to ultimately overload U S capacity and pass on to U S citizens the cost of refining oil for any other nation. If this scheme is such a good idea why don't they refine the oil in Canada? That and MORE questions still remain un answered. Untill they can gaurantee their little oil scam won't cost me at the pump then fuck these assholes!!!
If you can't tell the difference between the little red dotted lines underlining YOUR misspelled words how in the f..k do YOU have the guts to call me a LIAR?
If an idiot like can't even follow the little red dotted lines how in the hell do you have any RIGHT to call me a LIAR!
Word is "guarantee" not gaurantee! Word is "Until" NOT "untill" it is "petroleum" NOT "pertroleum" Afghanistan NOT "Afgahnistan"
I don't give a f...k if people call me a "spelling nazi" the fact if you are too f...king lazy to learn that little dotted line is YOUR friend, how can
ANYONE belief your comments?
Finally you dummy...tell me where the department the Federal Department of Energy Information Analysis are liars?
This is chart from them.
Are you calling THEM liars because I've simply did saw this chart at the EIA web site: How much does it cost to produce crude oil and natural gas - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA
View attachment 34576
Fuck you LIAR. I don't have spell check. My text produces no red dotted lines.
You are a LIAR based on your lies. My spelling has nothing to do with you being a LIAR. So I am a bit lazy and sometimes in a hurry. I don't care if you are a spelling Nazi. That only means that you are petty as well as a LIAR.
Am I calling THEM liars? No..Just YOU. What you said about Washington State and the waterways which in fact were my back and front yard and the frequent 60-80 mph winds which are bald faced lies. You lie about a lot of things. It makes me highly suspect of any point you are attempting to make.
Did you address my statement that the oil companies frequently use "the refineries are down for repairs and that they are running at maximum capacity" as reasons that gasoline prices are high? No of course you didn't. You are far more concerned about my spelling accuracy than the actual costs that face Americans.
Now tell me you traitorous piece of dick lint.. If running at capacity causes the refineries to raise U S gasoline production costs just what do you think refining the crude from the Keystone lines for the consumption of foreign markets will do to the cost of a U S gallon of gasoline?
It makes me wonder if YOU are actually an American or a foreign born employee sitting in a cubicle of one of these corporations you back so gleefully.
How much do they pay you to lie on their behalf?
When you realize that you are a victim to their creed , come talk to us after. It will be enlightening, if you ever get to that point, to realize they use you.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Still more evidence that the USA and the world needs to rid itself of being dependent on OIL.
Yes, we must stop using this cheap, reliable source of energy.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons
Demands? What demands?
and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
The cheap reliable energy bandwagon? I never jumped off.
How's your windmill workin' out for ya?
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Most libs never learn.
It you that does not understand, the context still stands.
"I do not think you it means what you think it means."
When you realize that you are a victim to their creed , come talk to us after. It will be enlightening, if you ever get to that point, to realize they use you.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Yes, we must stop using this cheap, reliable source of energy.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons
Demands? What demands?
and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
The cheap reliable energy bandwagon? I never jumped off.
How's your windmill workin' out for ya?
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Most libs never learn.
Pretty simple... which are you an idiot that wants a 1 million barrel tanker on open seas traveling one mile or a common sense person that knows 700 barrels traveling one mile on dry land in a pipeline has less of a risk of a spill and if a spill occurs less area damaged by definitely less then 1 million barrels? Is this a very hard question to answer? Evidently it is!It you that does not understand, the context still stands.
"I do not think you it means what you think it means."
When you realize that you are a victim to their creed , come talk to us after. It will be enlightening, if you ever get to that point, to realize they use you.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Yes, we must stop using this cheap, reliable source of energy.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons
Demands? What demands?
and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
The cheap reliable energy bandwagon? I never jumped off.
How's your windmill workin' out for ya?
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Most libs never learn.
Pretty simple... which are you an idiot that wants a 1 million barrel tanker on open seas traveling one mile or a common sense person that knows 700 barrels traveling one mile on dry land in a pipeline has less of a risk of a spill and if a spill occurs less area damaged by definitely less then 1 million barrels? Is this a very hard question to answer? Evidently it is!It you that does not understand, the context still stands.
"I do not think you it means what you think it means."
When you realize that you are a victim to their creed , come talk to us after. It will be enlightening, if you ever get to that point, to realize they use you.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons
Demands? What demands?
and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
The cheap reliable energy bandwagon? I never jumped off.
How's your windmill workin' out for ya?
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Most libs never learn.
Pretty simple... which are you an idiot that wants a 1 million barrel tanker on open seas traveling one mile or a common sense person that knows 700 barrels traveling one mile on dry land in a pipeline has less of a risk of a spill and if a spill occurs less area damaged by definitely less then 1 million barrels? Is this a very hard question to answer? Evidently it is!It you that does not understand, the context still stands.
"I do not think you it means what you think it means."
When you realize that you are a victim to their creed , come talk to us after. It will be enlightening, if you ever get to that point, to realize they use you.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
A small reprieve from the demands of the oil barons
Demands? What demands?
and you jump right onto their bandwagon ...again.
The cheap reliable energy bandwagon? I never jumped off.
How's your windmill workin' out for ya?
Seems some people take a long time to learn a lesson.
Most libs never learn.
One of the main reasons/excuses that the oil companies use to artificially inflate gasoline prices is that our refineries are either down for repairs or already running at full capacity. How exactly will adding another burden to U S refineries do anything but keep OUR fuel costs high? AND for whom?
These oil companies WE fight and die to protect are not even American. I keep hearing that OUR military enters into these ill advised wars to protect OUR freedoms. What a load of crap! If you believe that YOU ARE A FULL Blown moron. Did Afgahnistan lower OUR gasoline prices? Did Iraq lower OUR gasoline prices?
We should NOT be subsidizing Canada oil refined in U S refineries for refined pertroleum for China or wherever that can ONLY cost us at the pumps.
People like Healthmyths are traitors to America. Yes he has the right to lie to you but you are fools to take anything that POS says at face value.
Piss on any company that uses U S refineries to ultimately overload U S capacity and pass on to U S citizens the cost of refining oil for any other nation. If this scheme is such a good idea why don't they refine the oil in Canada? That and MORE questions still remain un answered. Untill they can gaurantee their little oil scam won't cost me at the pump then fuck these assholes!!!
One of the main reasons/excuses that the oil companies use to artificially inflate gasoline prices is that our refineries are either down for repairs or already running at full capacity. How exactly will adding another burden to U S refineries do anything but keep OUR fuel costs high? AND for whom?
These oil companies WE fight and die to protect are not even American. I keep hearing that OUR military enters into these ill advised wars to protect OUR freedoms. What a load of crap! If you believe that YOU ARE A FULL Blown moron. Did Afgahnistan lower OUR gasoline prices? Did Iraq lower OUR gasoline prices?
We should NOT be subsidizing Canada oil refined in U S refineries for refined pertroleum for China or wherever that can ONLY cost us at the pumps.
People like Healthmyths are traitors to America. Yes he has the right to lie to you but you are fools to take anything that POS says at face value.
Piss on any company that uses U S refineries to ultimately overload U S capacity and pass on to U S citizens the cost of refining oil for any other nation. If this scheme is such a good idea why don't they refine the oil in Canada? That and MORE questions still remain un answered. Untill they can gaurantee their little oil scam won't cost me at the pump then fuck these assholes!!!
Fact #1 Canada is your largest supplier of oil. You only produce
approximately 7 to 9 million barrels a day, but as a country
you use approximately 18 million barrels a day.
Fact #2 You will not be subsidizing jack shit with the Keystone XL.
Just like you didn't subsidize jack shit with Keystone I or
Keystone II that have been delivering crude to Illinois and
Oklahoma for the past several years.
Those pipelines were approved by the US State Department
in 2008. TransCanada pays the entire bill for the contruction
and operation of those pipelines.
Fact #3 Keystone is strictly a mechanism to move crude to your
refineries. It's just a freaking pipeline. TransCanada does not
drill for oil, refine the oil nor do they own the oil.
They have no say whatsoever in what your oil companies who
are buying and refining the crude do with the oil.
Fact #4 It's a BIGGIE. This bullshit of every drop of refined crude is
going to be shipped to China is total unadulterated bull
shit.
Your own EIA has calculated that 80% minimum will remain
for domestic usage.
Fact #5 We have our own refineries in Canada. Many of them. We
have our own pipelines to the BC coast to ship to China.
Your country needs and wants our crude. It's that fucking
simple.
Canada is not forcing our freaking crude on you. You need it.
You buy it.
Geeze louise I am astounded daily at how much propaganda
is out there that an intelligent person like yourself hasn't
gotten a grip on the level of bullshit that's being barfed out by
the anti Keystone enviro freaks.
More questions to be answered? Put them out there.
You know Huggy, this is not rocket science. Canada has been your number one supplier of crude since 2004. That will not change because you need more than you produce.
And even if the crazies stop this pipeline in particular the crude is coming to the Gulf refineries by rail or truck.
It's strictly a matter of choosing what mechanism you trust to ship the product by.
But the crude is coming. Make no mistake about that.