11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You

[The Rabbi]

the guy was fat, and you're a POS.

He had asthma, diabetes, and a heart condition. It was foolish of him to resist arrest when he saw he was surrounded by cops. What the fuck Did he think was about to happen? The cops changing their minds and walk away? They had orders to arrest.

There was no arrest. There was no order to arrest. You are a POS liar.

Superior officer on the scene issued the order dipshit.

What was the charge?

Selling untaxed cigarettes and harassing store owners probably. Who cares. Nobody is claiming the cops were illegally trying to arrest him.

Who cares? I care. It makes a huge difference. "probably" wont cut it here.
In one scenario we've got a guy standing in front of a store doing absolutely nothing wrong. Police come to hassle him and when he resists their hassling they go ninja on his ass and wrestle him to the ground and he dies as a result.
If that's what happened (and I dont know it did) that's a horrible mark on an overzealous police force using brute muscle to subdue someone who basically was doing nothing wrong.

A different scenario is a guy engaging in illegal activity resisting a lawful arrest. In which case too bad he died but thats what happens sometimes.

I just odnt know which one we're talking about.

 

[Roudy]

the guy was fat, and you're a POS.

He had asthma, diabetes, and a heart condition. It was foolish of him to resist arrest when he saw he was surrounded by cops. What the fuck Did he think was about to happen? The cops changing their minds and walk away? They had orders to arrest.

There was no arrest. There was no order to arrest. You are a POS liar.

Superior officer on the scene issued the order dipshit.

Bull shit. There was no arrest order.

I dont know what happened. I havent seen anything.
We've got one big black guy standing in front of a store. A cop approches him. Im not clear what the cop told him and he threw a fit. Then we've got like 5 cops on top of him subduing him to arrest him.
1) What was he doing that attracted their attention?
2) What did they tell him to do in the initial encounter?
3) Why were there 5 cops there all of a sudden?

Those seem like key questions I've never seen definitive evidence for. And it makes a huge difference.

The store owners complained about him. I've seen guys like Garner harassing people at gas stations all the time. They make propositions and don't take no for an answer, and make people very uncomfortable. Sometimes they get into verbal altercations when the clerk ask them to leave, and they start threatening the clerks, the clerks then call the cops and the guy takes off before the cops show up. Don't tell me you haven't seen it.

Just two weeks ago I was at a gas station and it happened in front of me. I was calming the attendant down telling him it's not his job to get into fights with people like that, and to just call the police.

 

[Roudy]

Any other lies you want to make up?

Which part is a lie? It wasn't a choke hold, it was a take down (hence talk of "retraining" the police) and the police were doing what they were trained to do when someone resists arrest. The police appeared in the scone because the local business owners kept calling in and complaining about Garner. After they arrived they verified the validity of the complaints and proceeded to follow orders to arrest Garner. Garner resisted and as a result his asthma and other health breathing conditions during the arrest, which brought about a cardiac arrest.

This is an arrest gone bad, not because of the cops, but because of Garner. Anytime you resist arrest, you are taking your life, health, and well being into your hands, and adding to your jail time. Garner, with his health conditions shouldn't have taken the chance.

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

Garner tells the cops he can't breathe ... several times.

Meaning what? He had to be subdued first. How do the cops mow he isn't pulling a fast one? Seriously.

gee, I don't know. Maybe when you go limp and quit breathing could be a clue. When you die you weren't pulling a fast one.

Or maybe you're a strong big guy who's resisting arrest and is now trying to throw you off of him. I wouldn't get off him until He was in total control. Especially if I was carrying a gun. What did you expect the cops do to?

"What was that, you can't breath?"

"Alright everybody get off, he said he can't breath, we'll cuff him later".

 

[RKMBrown]

Any other lies you want to make up?

Which part is a lie? It wasn't a choke hold, it was a take down (hence talk of "retraining" the police) and the police were doing what they were trained to do when someone resists arrest. The police appeared in the scone because the local business owners kept calling in and complaining about Garner. After they arrived they verified the validity of the complaints and proceeded to follow orders to arrest Garner. Garner resisted and as a result his asthma and other health breathing conditions during the arrest, which brought about a cardiac arrest.

This is an arrest gone bad, not because of the cops, but because of Garner. Anytime you resist arrest, you are taking your life, health, and well being into your hands, and adding to your jail time. Garner, with his health conditions shouldn't have taken the chance.

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

They came because the store owners called. Garner may or may not have have "broken up" a fight, but his career was hanging around stores and selling illegal cigarettes by propositioning and harassing people who enter stores to buy his cheaper cigarettes. Would you as a store owner paying rent and taxes, like a guy like Garner hanging out in front of your store doing what he was doing, harming your business and discouraging people from patronizing your store?

They called because of the fight. Garner's career selling loosies is irrelevant and immaterial.

You mean he has a right to sell them?

Yes.

 

[RKMBrown]

Which part is a lie? It wasn't a choke hold, it was a take down (hence talk of "retraining" the police) and the police were doing what they were trained to do when someone resists arrest. The police appeared in the scone because the local business owners kept calling in and complaining about Garner. After they arrived they verified the validity of the complaints and proceeded to follow orders to arrest Garner. Garner resisted and as a result his asthma and other health breathing conditions during the arrest, which brought about a cardiac arrest.

This is an arrest gone bad, not because of the cops, but because of Garner. Anytime you resist arrest, you are taking your life, health, and well being into your hands, and adding to your jail time. Garner, with his health conditions shouldn't have taken the chance.

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

Garner tells the cops he can't breathe ... several times.

Meaning what? He had to be subdued first. How do the cops mow he isn't pulling a fast one? Seriously.

gee, I don't know. Maybe when you go limp and quit breathing could be a clue. When you die you weren't pulling a fast one.

Or maybe you're a strong big guy who's resisting arrest and is now trying to throw you off of him. I wouldn't get off him until He was in total control. Especially if I was carrying a gun. What did you expect the cops do to?

"What was that, you can't breath?"

"Alright everybody get off, he said he can't breath, we'll cuff him later".

How about he stopped breathing maybe we should perform CPR.

 

[Roudy]

He had asthma, diabetes, and a heart condition. It was foolish of him to resist arrest when he saw he was surrounded by cops. What the fuck Did he think was about to happen? The cops changing their minds and walk away? They had orders to arrest.

There was no arrest. There was no order to arrest. You are a POS liar.

Superior officer on the scene issued the order dipshit.

What was the charge?

Selling untaxed cigarettes and harassing store owners probably. Who cares. Nobody is claiming the cops were illegally trying to arrest him.

Who cares? I care. It makes a huge difference. "probably" wont cut it here.
In one scenario we've got a guy standing in front of a store doing absolutely nothing wrong. Police come to hassle him and when he resists their hassling they go ninja on his ass and wrestle him to the ground and he dies as a result.
If that's what happened (and I dont know it did) that's a horrible mark on an overzealous police force using brute muscle to subdue someone who basically was doing nothing wrong.

A different scenario is a guy engaging in illegal activity resisting a lawful arrest. In which case too bad he died but thats what happens sometimes.

I just odnt know which one we're talking about.

The second one. Garner is a victim of his own bad choices.

 

[Roudy]

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

Garner tells the cops he can't breathe ... several times.

Meaning what? He had to be subdued first. How do the cops mow he isn't pulling a fast one? Seriously.

gee, I don't know. Maybe when you go limp and quit breathing could be a clue. When you die you weren't pulling a fast one.

Or maybe you're a strong big guy who's resisting arrest and is now trying to throw you off of him. I wouldn't get off him until He was in total control. Especially if I was carrying a gun. What did you expect the cops do to?

"What was that, you can't breath?"

"Alright everybody get off, he said he can't breath, we'll cuff him later".

How about he stopped breathing maybe we should perform CPR.

I'm not an expert, but if you can say you can't breath, that means you can breath. He was having an asthma attack which the cops didn't know about. Lesson number one, when cops try to arrest you, yell out, I'M NOT RESISTING, I'M NOT RESISTING. Cops do not fuck around with someone who's resisting.

 

[Roudy]

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

Garner tells the cops he can't breathe ... several times.

Meaning what? He had to be subdued first. How do the cops mow he isn't pulling a fast one? Seriously.

gee, I don't know. Maybe when you go limp and quit breathing could be a clue. When you die you weren't pulling a fast one.

Or maybe you're a strong big guy who's resisting arrest and is now trying to throw you off of him. I wouldn't get off him until He was in total control. Especially if I was carrying a gun. What did you expect the cops do to?

"What was that, you can't breath?"

"Alright everybody get off, he said he can't breath, we'll cuff him later".

How about he stopped breathing maybe we should perform CPR.

At the time he was saying "I can't breath" there was no choke hold, but there were cops pushing down on him to put on his handcuffs. He was having an asthma attack when the cops were on top of him and the cops had no way of knowing about it. It's truly sad to see it. By the time the cops realized Garner wasn't kidding, it was too late. Who's responsible if someone has a heart attack during an arrest? The police?

 

[Roudy]

Which part is a lie? It wasn't a choke hold, it was a take down (hence talk of "retraining" the police) and the police were doing what they were trained to do when someone resists arrest. The police appeared in the scone because the local business owners kept calling in and complaining about Garner. After they arrived they verified the validity of the complaints and proceeded to follow orders to arrest Garner. Garner resisted and as a result his asthma and other health breathing conditions during the arrest, which brought about a cardiac arrest.

This is an arrest gone bad, not because of the cops, but because of Garner. Anytime you resist arrest, you are taking your life, health, and well being into your hands, and adding to your jail time. Garner, with his health conditions shouldn't have taken the chance.

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

They came because the store owners called. Garner may or may not have have "broken up" a fight, but his career was hanging around stores and selling illegal cigarettes by propositioning and harassing people who enter stores to buy his cheaper cigarettes. Would you as a store owner paying rent and taxes, like a guy like Garner hanging out in front of your store doing what he was doing, harming your business and discouraging people from patronizing your store?

They called because of the fight. Garner's career selling loosies is irrelevant and immaterial.

You mean he has a right to sell them?

Yes.

That's not what the law in NY says. You can get arrested for a whole slew of minor offenses, including not paying for moving violations. If you're stupid enough to resist you are to blame for whatever happens.

 

[RKMBrown]

Garner tells the cops he can't breathe ... several times.

Meaning what? He had to be subdued first. How do the cops mow he isn't pulling a fast one? Seriously.

gee, I don't know. Maybe when you go limp and quit breathing could be a clue. When you die you weren't pulling a fast one.

Or maybe you're a strong big guy who's resisting arrest and is now trying to throw you off of him. I wouldn't get off him until He was in total control. Especially if I was carrying a gun. What did you expect the cops do to?

"What was that, you can't breath?"

"Alright everybody get off, he said he can't breath, we'll cuff him later".

How about he stopped breathing maybe we should perform CPR.

I'm not an expert, but if you can say you can't breath, that means you can breath. He was having an asthma attack which the cops didn't know about. Lesson number one, when cops try to arrest you, yell out, I'M NOT RESISTING, I'M NOT RESISTING. Cops do not fuck around with someone who's resisting.

When you can barely breathe ... it's a lot easier to say "I can't breathe..." than to say "I can just barely breathe but it's getting worse and I won't be able to breath much longer if it gets worse would you please help me..."

He said no... don't touch me... if that is all it takes to freak the cops out they need to grow a pair.

 

[RKMBrown]

No they came because there was a fight. A fight that Garner broke up. It had nothing to do with loosies.

They came because the store owners called. Garner may or may not have have "broken up" a fight, but his career was hanging around stores and selling illegal cigarettes by propositioning and harassing people who enter stores to buy his cheaper cigarettes. Would you as a store owner paying rent and taxes, like a guy like Garner hanging out in front of your store doing what he was doing, harming your business and discouraging people from patronizing your store?

They called because of the fight. Garner's career selling loosies is irrelevant and immaterial.

You mean he has a right to sell them?

Yes.

That's not what the law in NY says. You can get arrested for a whole slew of minor offenses, including not paying for moving violations. If you're stupid enough to resist you are to blame for whatever happens.

Yeah well NYC has lots of laws... so what? He still has a right to sell em.

 

[MrDVS1]

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

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The cigarettes weren't taxed, sure they were, when he bought them, they just weren't re-taxed when he resold them.

Well anyone with even half a brain knows that severely overweight people have health issues and being that he was arrested many times before, a lot of his health issues must have reference in his file, and being that squad cars have had computers in them for some time now, giving officers access to ones entire file, the officers should have had more than a small clue about his health.

Like I keep saying, there isn't a cop alive who won't spin any event nor tell any lie necessary to save his/her own ass.

 

[Jarhead]

They came because the store owners called. Garner may or may not have have "broken up" a fight, but his career was hanging around stores and selling illegal cigarettes by propositioning and harassing people who enter stores to buy his cheaper cigarettes. Would you as a store owner paying rent and taxes, like a guy like Garner hanging out in front of your store doing what he was doing, harming your business and discouraging people from patronizing your store?

They called because of the fight. Garner's career selling loosies is irrelevant and immaterial.

You mean he has a right to sell them?

Yes.

That's not what the law in NY says. You can get arrested for a whole slew of minor offenses, including not paying for moving violations. If you're stupid enough to resist you are to blame for whatever happens.

Yeah well NYC has lots of laws... so what? He still has a right to sell em.

you don't understand the law that prompted the situation. It goes back thirty plus years in NYC. Street vendors became a serious problem and caused serious injuries and ironically, the owners of the properties the vendors camped in front of were liable. In NYC, if you won a building, you do not own the sidewalk in front of it but you are responsible for all that takes place on it.
Street vendors created serious crowding forcing pedestrians to walk in the street. People were getting hit by cars and by bicycles....and the ones who were sues were the building owners because the street vendors had no identity and would disappear.
To rectify this, NYC outlawed UNLICESNSED street vending and they are quite strict with it. Usually, they simply tell you to "move along"...and in this case, that is exactly what they did. He refused so they had no choice but to arrest him. If they didn't, they would be deemed as showing favoritism to a person who defied the law and defied the police.
It is simple as that.
The local media reported it properly.
The national media....not so much.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

This guy -- now, stop and think of this -- this guy Eric Garner, for his job, the way he created his living, the way he made his living, sold loosies, single individual cigarettes. And if you're poor that's all you can afford, one cigarette at a time. He's out there selling loosies. Now, if you want to buy a pack I'm sure he'd sell you the whole pack, but he's out there selling loosies, meaning loose individual cigarettes. This is beyond my ability to comprehend.
And the sole reason for it, the sole reason why a guy like Eric Garner even has a job selling loosies is that the City of New York is hell-bent on collecting its precious taxes from $13 a pack. So here come all these black market guys trying to take advantage of the fact that people will pay much less than that if they're given the chance. This is what the left, liberals never understand about their idiotic tax policies. They do not understand the dynamics attached to it.

Here's a group of people -- this is how the liberals think -- a group of people, smokers, we hate 'em. They're yuk, they're filthy, they're dirty, they spread disease, yuk, but we need their money because we're funding children's health care programs. So we'll gladly get 'em addicted to the product, then we won't let 'em smoke 'em anywhere legally. We're gonna be pursuing these people every which way can but, by God, we're gonna make 'em pay for it. Well, you can't afford 13 bucks a pack if you are addicted to cigarettes, and nicotine is the most addictive drug out there. There is no more addictive drug.

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

 

[Katzndogz]

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

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The cigarettes weren't taxed, sure they were, when he bought them, they just weren't re-taxed when he resold them.

Well anyone with even half a brain knows that severely overweight people have health issues and being that he was arrested many times before, a lot of his health issues must have reference in his file, and being that squad cars have had computers in them for some time now, giving officers access to ones entire file, the officers should have had more than a small clue about his health.

Like I keep saying, there isn't a cop alive who won't spin any event nor tell any lie necessary to save his/her own ass.

You are assuming that Garner bought the cigarettes legally. He bought a pack and split it up. To be untaxed they are smuggled cigarettes.

 

[RKMBrown]

They called because of the fight. Garner's career selling loosies is irrelevant and immaterial.

You mean he has a right to sell them?

Yes.

That's not what the law in NY says. You can get arrested for a whole slew of minor offenses, including not paying for moving violations. If you're stupid enough to resist you are to blame for whatever happens.

Yeah well NYC has lots of laws... so what? He still has a right to sell em.

you don't understand the law that prompted the situation. It goes back thirty plus years in NYC. Street vendors became a serious problem and caused serious injuries and ironically, the owners of the properties the vendors camped in front of were liable. In NYC, if you won a building, you do not own the sidewalk in front of it but you are responsible for all that takes place on it.
Street vendors created serious crowding forcing pedestrians to walk in the street. People were getting hit by cars and by bicycles....and the ones who were sues were the building owners because the street vendors had no identity and would disappear.
To rectify this, NYC outlawed UNLICESNSED street vending and they are quite strict with it. Usually, they simply tell you to "move along"...and in this case, that is exactly what they did. He refused so they had no choice but to arrest him. If they didn't, they would be deemed as showing favoritism to a person who defied the law and defied the police.
It is simple as that.
The local media reported it properly.
The national media....not so much.

Uhmmm... the cops came out to stop a fight... The cops did not come out to stop a street vendor from selling loosies. The big fat guy died because he came out to stop the fight, the cops wanted to take him in for questioning regarding the fight and he said no. The cops decided to teach him a lesson for refusing to get his black ass in the squad car. Now he's dead because they stopped him from breathing and didn't perform CPR afterwards.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Who cares? I care. It makes a huge difference. "probably" wont cut it here.
In one scenario we've got a guy standing in front of a store doing absolutely nothing wrong. Police come to hassle him and when he resists their hassling they go ninja on his ass and wrestle him to the ground and he dies as a result.
If that's what happened (and I dont know it did) that's a horrible mark on an overzealous police force using brute muscle to subdue someone who basically was doing nothing wrong.

A different scenario is a guy engaging in illegal activity resisting a lawful arrest. In which case too bad he died but thats what happens sometimes.

I just odnt know which one we're talking about.

Rabbi, it boils down to he resisted arrest.
Your first scenario, "absolutely nothing wrong", breaking cigarettes out of a pack and selling them singularly is a crime. Packs of Cigarettes have tax stamps and possession of packs without tax stamps are illegal. Individual cigarettes have no tax markings thus being considered illegal.

There is also no known street vendors permit / license in any major city that would allow an entity to operate in front of another business. In other words if I blow glass pipes and your glass shop pisses me off, there is no way that I could get a street vendors permit that would allow me to legally operate in front of your business or any other without your written consent.

So we know both, he was committing a crime by selling loose cigarettes and vending in an improper location.
Does that give the police the right to "kill" him, well no, but once he resisted arrest by swatting the officers hands away all bets were off!!
Really, even hard staunch conservatives are gonna question the police on this??

 

[Jarhead]

You mean he has a right to sell them?

Yes.

That's not what the law in NY says. You can get arrested for a whole slew of minor offenses, including not paying for moving violations. If you're stupid enough to resist you are to blame for whatever happens.

Yeah well NYC has lots of laws... so what? He still has a right to sell em.

you don't understand the law that prompted the situation. It goes back thirty plus years in NYC. Street vendors became a serious problem and caused serious injuries and ironically, the owners of the properties the vendors camped in front of were liable. In NYC, if you won a building, you do not own the sidewalk in front of it but you are responsible for all that takes place on it.
Street vendors created serious crowding forcing pedestrians to walk in the street. People were getting hit by cars and by bicycles....and the ones who were sues were the building owners because the street vendors had no identity and would disappear.
To rectify this, NYC outlawed UNLICESNSED street vending and they are quite strict with it. Usually, they simply tell you to "move along"...and in this case, that is exactly what they did. He refused so they had no choice but to arrest him. If they didn't, they would be deemed as showing favoritism to a person who defied the law and defied the police.
It is simple as that.
The local media reported it properly.
The national media....not so much.

Uhmmm... the cops came out to stop a fight... The cops did not come out to stop a street vendor from selling loosies. The big fat guy died because he came out to stop the fight, the cops wanted to take him in for questioning regarding the fight and he said no. The cops decided to teach him a lesson for refusing to get his black ass in the squad car. Now he's dead because they stopped him from breathing and didn't perform CPR afterwards.

Like I said..the national media did not report the facts of what happened. The cops did not approach him for information regarding a fight. That was made up and reported nationally with nothing to back it up. He was approached for street vending. Here is the timeline via the Daily News...a local newspaper.
Timeline from Eric Garner s chokehold death to no indictment - NY Daily News

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Uhmmm... the cops came out to stop a fight... The cops did not come out to stop a street vendor from selling loosies. The big fat guy died because he came out to stop the fight, the cops wanted to take him in for questioning regarding the fight and he said no. The cops decided to teach him a lesson for refusing to get his black ass in the squad car. Now he's dead because they stopped him from breathing and didn't perform CPR afterwards.

I don't expect dumb nigga's like you to accept what happened. We can only pray one day it will be you resisting arrest!!

 

[Jarhead]

Who cares? I care. It makes a huge difference. "probably" wont cut it here.
In one scenario we've got a guy standing in front of a store doing absolutely nothing wrong. Police come to hassle him and when he resists their hassling they go ninja on his ass and wrestle him to the ground and he dies as a result.
If that's what happened (and I dont know it did) that's a horrible mark on an overzealous police force using brute muscle to subdue someone who basically was doing nothing wrong.

A different scenario is a guy engaging in illegal activity resisting a lawful arrest. In which case too bad he died but thats what happens sometimes.

I just odnt know which one we're talking about.

Rabbi, it boils down to he resisted arrest.
Your first scenario, "absolutely nothing wrong", breaking cigarettes out of a pack and selling them singularly is a crime. Packs of Cigarettes have tax stamps and possession of packs without tax stamps are illegal. Individual cigarettes have no tax markings thus being considered illegal.

There is also no known street vendors permit / license in any major city that would allow an entity to operate in front of another business. In other words if I blow glass pipes and your glass shop pisses me off, there is no way that I could get a street vendors permit that would allow me to legally operate in front of your business or any other without your written consent.

So we know both, he was committing a crime by selling loose cigarettes and vending in an improper location.
Does that give the police the right to "kill" him, well no, but once he resisted arrest by swatting the officers hands away all bets were off!!
Really, even hard staunch conservatives are gonna question the police on this??

Street vending without a license is a very serious problem in NYC as it has caused deaths for pedestrians forced to wlak in the street. It is not what you are selling....it is that you are breaking a very strict law designed for public safety. It is as simple as that.