11 Trillion Gallons of Water Force Small Government Cons to Go Begging

[eagle1462010]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might cost less.

How dare they attach funding for other projects in a BILL FOR A CURRENT SITUATION.

 

[nuhuh]

The Sandy bill was January of 2013, so for almost three years these small government cons didn't do a single thing to prepare their state for disaster. That's what I'm getting to and I would like someone to tell me why would they refuse aid and then do nothing for three years?

Fine then. You want the States to fend for themselves...............Then make the Federal Gov't TINY...............and they will fend for themselves instead of sending it to Washington.

I'm not the person who wants states to fend for themselves, that would be the South Carolina delegation who now wants help.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Sandy bill was January of 2013, so for almost three years these small government cons didn't do a single thing to prepare their state for disaster. That's what I'm getting to and I would like someone to tell me why would they refuse aid and then do nothing for three years?

Fine then. You want the States to fend for themselves...............Then make the Federal Gov't TINY...............and they will fend for themselves instead of sending it to Washington.

I'm not the person who wants states to fend for themselves, that would be the South Carolina delegation who now wants help.

That is utter BS................That State and it's people pay taxes...............The People ARE THE GOV'T under our system. They help pay for FEMA already, so why shouldn't it show up when the people that help pay for it need it??????????????

The Red State rant is BS, and standard talking point of trollers.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Kewl, let's kill about half of the federal government and leave that money in the States, then they will have the resources to take care of things like this. Of course big government stateist like you will never go along with that.

Wrong, I'm looking for a reasonable explanation why they went unprepared. Big talk, no action, is what I'm seeing and I'd like to know why Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

Is every location prepared for every thousand yr event?

 

[edthecynic]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might cost less.

How dare they attach funding for other projects in a BILL FOR A CURRENT SITUATION.

How dare a current situation make them aware of related problems that need attention.

 

[Vigilante]

Apparently BILLIONS of DemocRAT PORK, attached to the Sandy bill, and responsible financial oversight by Republicans to curtail the THIEF of our money by DemocRATS, doesn't matter to the lying, fucking OP and his bullshit... Send a CLEAN BILL and all would have been taken care of..why did the Northern DemocRATS respond with a CLEAN BILL... Because that's NOT what you do when you are THIEVING DemocRATS!

So what happened to your own solution? Act like temper tantrum babies and tell the feds to go pound sand. Then three years later, get on your knees begging for help? You guys don't stand on principle much.

How much Republican PORK was in this bill... You HYPOCRITE, and worse than that, you expect most of us to agree with your lies and bullshit... Fucking morons, and ZOMBIES as I pointed out!

 

[nuhuh]

Kewl, let's kill about half of the federal government and leave that money in the States, then they will have the resources to take care of things like this. Of course big government stateist like you will never go along with that.

Wrong, I'm looking for a reasonable explanation why they went unprepared. Big talk, no action, is what I'm seeing and I'd like to know why Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

Is every location prepared for every thousand yr event?

No, and that's a fair question. I say it's Karma for the way the South Carolina delegation treated others. Others will disagree of course, the real question is why after three years were they not prepared for anything?

 

[edthecynic]

Apparently BILLIONS of DemocRAT PORK, attached to the Sandy bill, and responsible financial oversight by Republicans to curtail the THIEF of our money by DemocRATS, doesn't matter to the lying, fucking OP and his bullshit... Send a CLEAN BILL and all would have been taken care of..why did the Northern DemocRATS respond with a CLEAN BILL... Because that's NOT what you do when you are THIEVING DemocRATS!

So what happened to your own solution? Act like temper tantrum babies and tell the feds to go pound sand. Then three years later, get on your knees begging for help? You guys don't stand on principle much.

How much Republican PORK was in this bill... You HYPOCRITE, and worse than that, you expect most of us to agree with your lies and bullshit... Fucking morons, and ZOMBIES as I pointed out!

Probably most of it, the GOP are the Queens Of Pork!

 

[nuhuh]

After thinking about it, if Obama had any balls at all he would have demanded the entire state government and federal delegation sign an agreement securing South Carolina's future attention to eliminating anthropogenic global warming and ensuring South Carolina and its citizens work diligently to that end.

 

[eagle1462010]

After thinking about it, if Obama had any balls at all he would have demanded the entire state government and federal delegation sign an agreement securing South Carolina's future attention to eliminating anthropogenic global warming and ensuring South Carolina and its citizens work diligently to that end.

Is Obama a KING?
In a Republic the proper response to that order would be.............................

wait for it......................

 

[eagle1462010]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might cost less.

How dare they attach funding for other projects in a BILL FOR A CURRENT SITUATION.

How dare a current situation make them aware of related problems that need attention.

If that spending is necessary, then by all means put it to a vote in another bill.......................I don't like earmarks..........aka bribes.

If it's worth it's salt it will pass............if not GOOD BYE.

 

[nuhuh]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might cost less.

How dare they attach funding for other projects in a BILL FOR A CURRENT SITUATION.

How dare a current situation make them aware of related problems that need attention.

If that spending is necessary, then by all means put it to a vote in another bill.......................I don't like earmarks..........aka bribes.

If it's worth it's salt it will pass............if not GOOD BYE.

Yeah but now New York and New Jersey isn't likely to support it. Funny how Karma works.

 

[eagle1462010]

Daily Public Assistance Grant Awards Activity | FEMA.gov

Daily Public Assistance Grant Awards Activity

This page contains the daily activity of Public Assistance Grant Awards, including FEMA Region, State, Disaster Declaration Number, Event description, Mission Assigned agency, Assistance Requested, Obligated Federal dollars, and Date of Obligation as required by HR152 – Sandy Recovery Improvement Act of 2013.

As part of disaster declarations, the President can make Federal funding (Public Assistance) available through FEMA to state and eligible local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations. This is done on a cost-sharing basis for emergency work and the repair (or replacement) of facilities damaged by the disaster event.

Note: FEMA obligates funding for a project directly to the Grantee (State or Tribe). It is the Grantee's responsibility to ensure that the eligible sub-grantee (listed in the spreadsheet as Applicant Name) receives the award funding.


The Liberal Brigade ignores the spending.......................IT'S NOT ENOUGH. THE SKY IS FALLING.........

A lot of money has gone out under the Sandy Relief Funds under FEMA. And more is still being spent every day. Look at the list of grants going out from the FEMA site posted...................

They make it sound like, for political BS reasons, that the GOP fed everyone to the wolves...............Which is HORSE HOCKEY.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I say come up with the money yourselves and prove your point. Can't be that hard could it? Why not close DMV offices in black districts, or cut SNAP benefits? Surely these smart people have an answer that precludes asking for help, what were they going to do if something happened before this?

"There's a peculiar irony occurring in South Carolina as the state gets hammered by historic floods and its GOP "small-government" conservatives, who fervently despise the federal government, are now begging the "big, bloated" feds for desperately needed disaster relief.

Presidential contender and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as most of the South Carolina legislative delegation, voted against the Hurricane Sandy disaster relief bill not too long ago. Of course, now that Sen. Graham's folks need help, he is pressing for the quick release of federal dollars.

When asked about why he voted against disaster relief for those affected by Hurricane Sandy, Graham suddenly developed a rare form of conveniently timed legislative amnesia.

Hopefully, the people of South Carolina won't suffer the same apathetic procrastination that first responders got when they requested help after being diagnosed with a myriad of lung ailments during the years following 9/11 in New York.

Conservative politicians seem to love heroes, but don't appear to like helping them after their heroic acts. It's reminiscent of how conservative hawks love to go to war, but don't like funding the Veteran's Administration.

Helping people in need, especially during disasters, has traditionally been seen as an appropriate and expected role for the federal government. Well, until the GOP hard-liners decided that vilifying the federal government should be the new national pastime; just as they've fought hard to gerrymander districts to ensure that they get voted into the very institution they swear they hate." Hating the federal government is 'cool' until you need help

You ignoramus. Disaster relief is part and parcel an essential function of government.
Troll thread. Should be sent to badlands.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Kewl, let's kill about half of the federal government and leave that money in the States, then they will have the resources to take care of things like this. Of course big government stateist like you will never go along with that.

Wrong, I'm looking for a reasonable explanation why they went unprepared. Big talk, no action, is what I'm seeing and I'd like to know why Or is it just normal to refuse federal help and leave millions of people dangling because a politician wanted to make a point?

Unprepared?
Fuck off.

 

[eagle1462010]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might cost less.

How dare they attach funding for other projects in a BILL FOR A CURRENT SITUATION.

How dare a current situation make them aware of related problems that need attention.

If that spending is necessary, then by all means put it to a vote in another bill.......................I don't like earmarks..........aka bribes.

If it's worth it's salt it will pass............if not GOOD BYE.

Yeah but now New York and New Jersey isn't likely to support it. Funny how Karma works.

2 States can have their say.

48 OTHER STATES can have their say as well. That's how it works...................

pawn to knights 4.

Your move.

 

[bripat9643]

I say come up with the money yourselves and prove your point. Can't be that hard could it? Why not close DMV offices in black districts, or cut SNAP benefits? Surely these smart people have an answer that precludes asking for help, what were they going to do if something happened before this?

"There's a peculiar irony occurring in South Carolina as the state gets hammered by historic floods and its GOP "small-government" conservatives, who fervently despise the federal government, are now begging the "big, bloated" feds for desperately needed disaster relief.

Presidential contender and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, as well as most of the South Carolina legislative delegation, voted against the Hurricane Sandy disaster relief bill not too long ago. Of course, now that Sen. Graham's folks need help, he is pressing for the quick release of federal dollars.

When asked about why he voted against disaster relief for those affected by Hurricane Sandy, Graham suddenly developed a rare form of conveniently timed legislative amnesia.

Hopefully, the people of South Carolina won't suffer the same apathetic procrastination that first responders got when they requested help after being diagnosed with a myriad of lung ailments during the years following 9/11 in New York.

Conservative politicians seem to love heroes, but don't appear to like helping them after their heroic acts. It's reminiscent of how conservative hawks love to go to war, but don't like funding the Veteran's Administration.

Helping people in need, especially during disasters, has traditionally been seen as an appropriate and expected role for the federal government. Well, until the GOP hard-liners decided that vilifying the federal government should be the new national pastime; just as they've fought hard to gerrymander districts to ensure that they get voted into the very institution they swear they hate." Hating the federal government is 'cool' until you need help

You think Lindsey Graham is a "small government conservative?" That's all we need to know to dismiss your post.

Also, can you explain why people who pay taxes shouldn't receive the benefits they're paying for? Are only government ass kissers allowed to receive government benefits?

 

[rdean]

Kewl, let's kill about half of the federal government and leave that money in the States, then they will have the resources to take care of things like this. Of course big government stateist like you will never go along with that.

You are such an idiot. The money Red States get to keep their economies from going under comes from Blue States. Wise up and smell the deficits.

 

[rdean]

I remember when Eric Cantor wanted disaster victims to pay to be rescued. Then his state was hit with an earthquake and a hurricane. Boy, didn't take him long to change is tune. The more his hands were in the receiving handout position, the bigger they got. Didn't stop him from be voted out of office in the very next election.

 

[bripat9643]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/nyregion/expenditures-for-a-hurricane-and-beyond.html?ref=nyregion

Supporters say many of the appropriations are necessary to respond to disasters, though some are unrelated to the storm:

¶ $150 million for fisheries in Alaska.

¶ $2 million to fix museum roofs in Washington.

¶ $20 million for watershed restoration in response to wildfires in Colorado.

¶ $1 million for the Legal Services Corporation.

¶ $56.8 million for tsunami marine debris remediation.

¶ $5 million for Corps of Engineers investigations unrelated to the hurricane.

¶ $499 million in Corps of Engineers construction funds for disasters occurring before the storm.

¶ $578 million for flood-control mitigation projects by the corps unrelated to the storm.

¶ $28 million for watershed protection activities unrelated to the storm.

¶ $4 million to the F.B.I. to replace vehicles, office equipment and furniture.


¶ $1 million for the Drug Enforcement Administration to replace 15 vehicles and equipment.

¶ $230,000 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to replace three vehicles and furniture.

¶ $15 million for construction at NASA facilities, including restoration of sand berms.

¶ $855,000 to Immigration and Customs Enforcement to replace vehicles.

¶ $300,000 for the Secret Service to replace vehicles and communications equipment.

¶ $50 million for National Park Service historic preservation activities.

¶ $150 million for the Interior Department to create a fund that may be used for restoration at national parks and refuges affected by disasters.

How dare the government spend money to prepare for future disasters so they might cost less.

How dare they attach funding for other projects in a BILL FOR A CURRENT SITUATION.

How dare a current situation make them aware of related problems that need attention.

IF those other problems were truly related and truly needed attention, then a bill to take care of them could pass on its own merit. The reason the funding was attached to the disaster relief bill is precisely because that wasn't the case.