2000 People on "Terror Watch List" able to buy guns!

[2aguy]

I'll translate that into normal person speak for you....

The picked gun free zones....

There.....translation over.

No, they picked placed that had

TRAINED SECURITY GUARDS!!!!

You know, people who were vetted, trained and deployed to provide SECURITY.

None of these guys were worried one of you tiny-dicks might have your compensator on you.

allow me to translate.......twit.....

"They chose gun free zones."


you know...where no one had a gun......not even normal people.

 

[JoeB131]

allow me to translate.......twit.....

"They chose gun free zones."


you know...where no one had a gun......not even normal people.

How was that enforced, exactly? Did they do metal sweeps of everyone going into the theatre to make sure no one had a gun on them? That's what a gun-free zone is.

Of course, Holmes picked the Theater because it was showing a Batman movie and Lanza picked Sandy Hook because the teachers were mean to him when he went there as a child, but please try to pretend that there was other reasons why these targets were picked.

Hasan picked Fort Hood because he was stationed there. But, no, no, it was a gun free zone, that was his only consideration- a gun free zone with a whole fucking infantry division and a military Police Battalion.

Hey, this nut who took an AK to a Planned Parenthood clinic. Maybe you can pretend that was a gun-free zone, too,a nd that's why he picked it.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The CDC is filled with anti gun extremists.

Any one who isn't armed like the Zombie Apocalypse is coming is an anti-gun extremist, according to you.

No, that's a lie.

 

[Yarddog]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

Yeah well to the US government, known and suspected terrorists might be US veterans because the department of Homeland security is PISSING themselves over Americans instead of Islamic radicals

 

[2aguy]

allow me to translate.......twit.....

"They chose gun free zones."


you know...where no one had a gun......not even normal people.

How was that enforced, exactly? Did they do metal sweeps of everyone going into the theatre to make sure no one had a gun on them? That's what a gun-free zone is.

Of course, Holmes picked the Theater because it was showing a Batman movie and Lanza picked Sandy Hook because the teachers were mean to him when he went there as a child, but please try to pretend that there was other reasons why these targets were picked.

Hasan picked Fort Hood because he was stationed there. But, no, no, it was a gun free zone, that was his only consideration- a gun free zone with a whole fucking infantry division and a military Police Battalion.

Hey, this nut who took an AK to a Planned Parenthood clinic. Maybe you can pretend that was a gun-free zone, too,a nd that's why he picked it.

The gun free zone was honored by the law abiding gun owners...that is why they are law abiding and why gun grabbers make stupid laws...they know normal people will obey them, and they could care less that criminals ignore them.....I do not carry into gun free zones...especially since it is a misdemeanor here in Illinois, twit.....

The theater shooter picked the theater because there was armed security at the airport...so he went to the gun free zone where no one would shoot back.......a gun free zone...

the Sandy Hook shooter had a choice of 3 schools that he attended...the middle school and the high school had armed resource officers....and the notes they found in his room stated he wanted a high death count.......and he didn't want anyone shooting him and taking his score...he saw it like a video game.....you can find his notes too.....and he picked Sandy Hook because he knew the police would take time to arrive and he would have unlimited killing time to murder and raise his score....twit.

And again.....the Fort Hood shooter did not go to the live fire range with troops qualifying with their rifles...you know...armed soldiers......he did not go to the Military Police headquarters..you know...armed military police soldiers......he went to one of the places on the post where all of the soldiers were unarmed.....he targeted a gun free zone on the post...twit. He did not target armed soldiers because he wasn't looking for a gun fight...he targeted a gun free zone because he wanted to murder a lot of people.....twit.

It sounds like this guy stumpled into the planned parenthood/murder site.....and funny.......he didn't kill the baby killer or the misguided staff or patients....and he had a weapon, and time......and killed no one in the building...some killer......

He had a breakdown from what we know so far...and started shooting outside the clinic and then holed up in the clinic, again, killing no one inside......

 

[JoeB131]

The gun free zone was honored by the law abiding gun owners...that is why they are law abiding and why gun grabbers make stupid laws...they know normal people will obey them, and they could care less that criminals ignore them.....I do not carry into gun free zones...especially since it is a misdemeanor here in Illinois, twit.....

Oh, fuck, you live in IL? Jesus, like we don't have enough gun-toting nuts in this state.

Fact is, DGU's don't happen and Concealed Carry Cowards are usually pissing themselves in the corner when trouble breaks out.

Which is why I want to leave this sort of thing to PROFESSIONALS.

 

[2aguy]

The gun free zone was honored by the law abiding gun owners...that is why they are law abiding and why gun grabbers make stupid laws...they know normal people will obey them, and they could care less that criminals ignore them.....I do not carry into gun free zones...especially since it is a misdemeanor here in Illinois, twit.....

Oh, fuck, you live in IL? Jesus, like we don't have enough gun-toting nuts in this state.

Fact is, DGU's don't happen and Concealed Carry Cowards are usually pissing themselves in the corner when trouble breaks out.

Which is why I want to leave this sort of thing to PROFESSIONALS.

twit.....gun owners stop crime 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton. That number means it actually happens a lot....twit.

Concealed gun owners have stopped many mass public shootings and saved lives....you guys keep disarming people with your gun free killing zones otherwise they would stop more....

 

[JoeB131]

he Sandy Hook shooter had a choice of 3 schools that he attended...the middle school and the high school had armed resource officers....and the notes they found in his room stated he wanted a high death count.......and he didn't want anyone shooting him and taking his score..

Uh, guy, are you like psychic, because the SH shooter destroyed his hard drive and his motivations are largely a mystery to this day. But I guess you can just make stuff up for your narrative.

And again.....the Fort Hood shooter did not go to the live fire range with troops qualifying with their rifles...you know...armed soldiers......he did not go to the Military Police headquarters..you know...armed military police soldiers......he went to one of the places on the post where all of the soldiers were unarmed.....he targeted a gun free zone on the post...

He wouldn't have had any business on the range or at MPHQ. He did have business at the deployment office because that was part of his job, talking to soldiers before deployment.

 

[JoeB131]

twit.....gun owners stop crime 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton. That number means it actually happens a lot....twit.

Never fucking happens...

What does happen is shit like this.

Waitress shot dead after asking customer not to smoke

Julia Brightwell of Biloxi, Mississippi, was a 52-year-old long-time waitress at a Waffle House who spent some of her final moments asking patrons how they enjoyed their Thanksgiving.

Biloxi police charged 45-year-old Johnny Max Mount with first-degree murder. They said he shot Ms Brightwell early on Friday after she asked him not to smoke.



Read more: Waitress shot dead after asking customer not to smoke

 

[2aguy]

he Sandy Hook shooter had a choice of 3 schools that he attended...the middle school and the high school had armed resource officers....and the notes they found in his room stated he wanted a high death count.......and he didn't want anyone shooting him and taking his score..

Uh, guy, are you like psychic, because the SH shooter destroyed his hard drive and his motivations are largely a mystery to this day. But I guess you can just make stuff up for your narrative.

And again.....the Fort Hood shooter did not go to the live fire range with troops qualifying with their rifles...you know...armed soldiers......he did not go to the Military Police headquarters..you know...armed military police soldiers......he went to one of the places on the post where all of the soldiers were unarmed.....he targeted a gun free zone on the post...

He wouldn't have had any business on the range or at MPHQ. He did have business at the deployment office because that was part of his job, talking to soldiers before deployment.

Wrong dipshit....he left a roomful of notes....and the Feds got stuff off of his harddrive........he left notes and spreadsheets all over his room.....an 8' by 4' spread sheet on past killers and a detailed account of each shooting....

And you are saying that he couldn't be bothered to drive to a firing range or the Military Police headquarters to do his islamic jihad mass shooting...really?

YOu are a real twit.

 

[2aguy]

twit.....gun owners stop crime 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton. That number means it actually happens a lot....twit.

Never fucking happens...

What does happen is shit like this.

Waitress shot dead after asking customer not to smoke

Julia Brightwell of Biloxi, Mississippi, was a 52-year-old long-time waitress at a Waffle House who spent some of her final moments asking patrons how they enjoyed their Thanksgiving.

Biloxi police charged 45-year-old Johnny Max Mount with first-degree murder. They said he shot Ms Brightwell early on Friday after she asked him not to smoke.



Read more: Waitress shot dead after asking customer not to smoke

The restauarant was a gun free zone...I know...I called up their corporate headquarters dipshit...the woman I spoke with said they ask people to not carry guns into their restaurants...twit.

 

[2aguy]

twit.....gun owners stop crime 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton. That number means it actually happens a lot....twit.

Never fucking happens...

What does happen is shit like this.

Waitress shot dead after asking customer not to smoke

Julia Brightwell of Biloxi, Mississippi, was a 52-year-old long-time waitress at a Waffle House who spent some of her final moments asking patrons how they enjoyed their Thanksgiving.

Biloxi police charged 45-year-old Johnny Max Mount with first-degree murder. They said he shot Ms Brightwell early on Friday after she asked him not to smoke.



Read more: Waitress shot dead after asking customer not to smoke

again...according to bill clinton Americans use guns for self defense 1.5 times a year...that means they stop violent criminal attack and even save lives....twit.

 

[2aguy]

he Sandy Hook shooter had a choice of 3 schools that he attended...the middle school and the high school had armed resource officers....and the notes they found in his room stated he wanted a high death count.......and he didn't want anyone shooting him and taking his score..

Uh, guy, are you like psychic, because the SH shooter destroyed his hard drive and his motivations are largely a mystery to this day. But I guess you can just make stuff up for your narrative.

And again.....the Fort Hood shooter did not go to the live fire range with troops qualifying with their rifles...you know...armed soldiers......he did not go to the Military Police headquarters..you know...armed military police soldiers......he went to one of the places on the post where all of the soldiers were unarmed.....he targeted a gun free zone on the post...

He wouldn't have had any business on the range or at MPHQ. He did have business at the deployment office because that was part of his job, talking to soldiers before deployment.

Here you go twit.....do some research...you might actually post something intelligent...

Building a safer Sandy Hook | News21: Gun Wars



The high school and middle school, which already had armed resource officers, doubled down on security and restricted all visitors that didn’t have prior permission to enter.

Lupica: Lanza plotted massacre for years

They don’t believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet,” he continued. “This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list.

They believe that he picked an elementary school because he felt it was a point of least resistance, where he could rack up the greatest number of kills. That’s what (the Connecticut police) believe.”


The man paused and said, “They believe that (Lanza) believed that it was the way to pick up the easiest points. It’s why he didn’t want to be killed by law enforcement. In the code of a gamer, even a deranged gamer like this little bastard, if somebody else kills you, they get your points. They believe that’s why he killed himself.

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It really was like he was lost in one of his own sick games. That’s what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you’re moving from room to room — the way he was in that school — you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he’s only used half of it. But he’s willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room.”
*****************MILLER: Adam Lanza shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown final report


Blame school security?

The school doors were locked and secure at 9:30 a.m. with a video camera and buzzer system that can allow entry after that time from three monitoring locations. Lanza simply shot through the plate-glass window next to the lobby door to enter the school.

A 911 call was made at 9:35 a.m. It took less than five minutes for the police to get to the school. About a minute later, Lanza shot and killed himself. The first officer entered the school at 9:44 a.m.

In that tight time frame, it seems the only thing that could have stopped Lanza was a good guy inside the school with a gun.

There were no armed security guards at Sandy Hook Elementary School, nor did any of the staff have a weapons.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Keep the non-content flames out of the discussion. Thanks

 

[KGB]

Ray,
You are trying to reason with a liberal. It can't be done regardless of how many facts you present...

You morons don't have "facts". You have the bile the one-percenters give you because most of you are too stupid to vote for your own best interest.

You cling to your guns and your bibles and think you are "Free".

The freedom of religion and to keep & bare arms is enshrined in the Constitution. We are free because people of good conscience fought & died to preserve what you liberals would seek to tear down. I will gladly stand alone with the 1% if that means I don't have to stand by the 99% of morons who think they can lead my life better than I can....

 

[thereisnospoon]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

When you post pictures of the Syrian refugees taken into your home, we'll then think about letting them into the country.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I admit when I make a mistake and would ask the Mods to correct the thread title.

correction, I can fix the thread title myself now. Thanks Mods, for installing that feature!

You should have left it. You are taking all the fun out of this...

NOrmally, I'd say yes, but it is kind of a serious discussion.

how insane is it that-

1) We have 700,000 people on a "Terror Watch List" to start with. Obviously, all 700,000 of them are not terrorists. If they were, we'd be in real shit right now. If they aren't citizens, why aren't we revoking their green cards, immediately. If they are citizens, then why are they being put on a list that prevents them from doing things like flying on an airplane without

2) that we allow people we have concerns with to buy guns with little or not questions? We can thank the NRA for this, who no doubt think that if being on a terrorist list bans you from buying guns, it's not a big stretch to put a Gun Nut who thinks we needs guns to over throw the government could be interpreted as a "Terrorist".

EEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...Wrong. Try again. Blame the libs. They are the ones who "feel sorry" for these people.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong dipshit....he left a roomful of notes....and the Feds got stuff off of his harddrive........he left notes and spreadsheets all over his room.....an 8' by 4' spread sheet on past killers and a detailed account of each shooting....

Link?

And you are saying that he couldn't be bothered to drive to a firing range or the Military Police headquarters to do his islamic jihad mass shooting...really?

Why bother when there were a bunch of people where he worked where he could shoot?

You Gun Nuts seem incapable of applying Occam's Razor to anything. Usually the most obvious answer is the correct one.

Why do countries that ban guns have a lot less murder? They don't have guns!

No, no, says the gun nut, and they will fill pages with stuff about cultures, a little racism, how those people aren't free or shit that happened 70 years ago.

Why did mass shooters pick certain targets? Not because they had a reason to pick those targets, because of whatever was going on in their heads, but because these people who were completely batshit crazy still had the presense of mind to calculate how much resistance they were going to encounter.

 

[JoeB131]

When you post pictures of the Syrian refugees taken into your home, we'll then think about letting them into the country.

my home would probably get a bit crowded... but that isn't the point, is it? No one is asking you to take them into YOUR home, either.

EEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...Wrong. Try again. Blame the libs. They are the ones who "feel sorry" for these people.

Did you even follow the argument being made, or are you ranting randomly?

 

[2aguy]

Wrong dipshit....he left a roomful of notes....and the Feds got stuff off of his harddrive........he left notes and spreadsheets all over his room.....an 8' by 4' spread sheet on past killers and a detailed account of each shooting....

Link?

And you are saying that he couldn't be bothered to drive to a firing range or the Military Police headquarters to do his islamic jihad mass shooting...really?

Why bother when there were a bunch of people where he worked where he could shoot?

You Gun Nuts seem incapable of applying Occam's Razor to anything. Usually the most obvious answer is the correct one.

Why do countries that ban guns have a lot less murder? They don't have guns!

No, no, says the gun nut, and they will fill pages with stuff about cultures, a little racism, how those people aren't free or shit that happened 70 years ago.

Why did mass shooters pick certain targets? Not because they had a reason to pick those targets, because of whatever was going on in their heads, but because these people who were completely batshit crazy still had the presense of mind to calculate how much resistance they were going to encounter.

Why bother when there were a bunch of people where he worked where he could shoot?

Because he worked in a gun free zone…had it not been a gun free zone he would have found a gun free zone to shoot up…again, he wasn't looking for a fight, he wasn't looking to engage armed people….had that target been a non gun free zone he would have left and found one to do his shooting…..

Why do countries that ban guns have a lot less murder? They don't have guns!

Wrong…..some countries that ban guns have higher murder rates than we do…..most of the countries in Europe had low gun murder rates before they banned their guns…guns had nothing to do with their murder rates and their gun murder rates spiked after the ban and then settled back to what they were before the ban…..

Why did mass shooters pick certain targets? Not because they had a reason to pick those targets, because of whatever was going on in their heads, but because these people who were completely batshit crazy still had the presense of mind to calculate how much resistance they were going to encounter.

I just gave you the background of the two worst shooters outside of Virginia Tech….they left notes and they both selected gun free zones……and you still deny that when these guys have to make a choice, they choose gun free zones over places that might have armed security or armed civilians…..they want to murder people, not fight people…how do we know…because they either surrender immediately when confronted by armed resistance…the theater shooter, or they commit suicide as soon as good guys with guns show up……..just about every other mass shooter ever……..