2009 Budget deficit to be largest ever

[Zoomie1980]

A sick person who cannot work, cannot take care of themselves. We can help them. It is the right thing to do.

No, that person's friends, church, and family take care them. Not "society".

 

[jreeves]

Sorry, we are ranked 37th in the world in healthcare inspite of spending twice as much per capita as everyone else. The rest of the world does it better than us, and we need to change.

There are other factors at play, man you are only to focus on one thing at a time, cost of healthcare and Co2 emmissions when thinking of AGW. Listen, our GDP, adminstrative costs and medical research cause healthcare costs to be more in the US than other countries. Compare apples to apples.....

 

[jreeves]

Did it ever occur to you that drugs and surgery are not the key to good health?

This out of left field statement has what to do with medical research money? Are you saying that all medical research money goes to drugs and surgery? There is a great deal of money that goes into research for preventing disease in the first place, genius....

 

[jreeves]

the $700 billion is NOT GVT TAX monies going overseas? It is OUR money, the oil/gasoline purchaser's money?

obama, or any future president will NOT be able to balance the budget for another 4 to 10 years, even with cuts and tax hikes imo....

care

The 700 billion dollars going overseas fuels the trade deficits in this country. Which further causes the dollar to lose its value...... We lose tax revenue with every barrel of oil that we don't develop domestically.

A multi-trillion dollar healthcare system sure isn't going to move us toward a balanced budget either....

 

[jreeves]

We lead the world in people not covered by healthcare and expensive unnecessary surgery.

Are you sure about this statement?

 

[Chris]

There are other factors at play, man you are only to focus on one thing at a time, cost of healthcare and Co2 emmissions when thinking of AGW. Listen, our GDP, adminstrative costs and medical research cause healthcare costs to be more in the US than other countries. Compare apples to apples.....

This is not out of left field at all. One of the reasons our healthcare costs are so high is that there are enormous profits in drugs and surgery, but not much profit in cheaper and more effective treatments.

 

[Chris]

Yes--we do--not the government.

Our society pays TWICE what the rest of the Western world pays for healthcare, because we have a bloated, patchwork, for profit, system. We can cover everyone cheaper and better. We can use the money we save for something else.

 

[Chris]

There are other factors at play, man you are only to focus on one thing at a time, cost of healthcare and Co2 emmissions when thinking of AGW. Listen, our GDP, adminstrative costs and medical research cause healthcare costs to be more in the US than other countries. Compare apples to apples.....

You are right, there are other factors at play. Doctors here make millions of dollars on unnecessary surgery.

 

[jreeves]

ok, this is for diamond, jreeves, rgs, allie, and everyone else who has been commenting on universal health care.

OBAMA ISNT CALLING FOR THE GOVT TO PAY FOR EVERY SINGLE EXPENSE FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON

it is an insurance plan people will have the OPTION to buy into. they can keep their current insurance. business will still pay for their insurance, and will be required to pay a % of payroll into the national plan if they dont offer their own. there will be a program set up to help people buy into and monitor private insurance. states are free to set up their own health plans.

now stop talking like the govt is going to suddenly take all health costs into their hands. and stop including medicare and medicaid in your 'trillions of dollars' argument, as that money will be spent regardless of who is in office.

Whether the government pays directly or requires employers to pay extra taxes to finance the multi-trillion dollar program is irrelevant.

 

[jreeves]

but we arent adding 'everyone else' to it. how many times does that need to be said?

If all employers are required to pay taxes to finance the plan then yes, it is everybody else that has a job.

 

[jreeves]

Our society pays TWICE what the rest of the Western world pays for healthcare, because we have a bloated, patchwork, for profit, system. We can cover everyone cheaper and better. We can use the money we save for something else.

This would be due to our GDP, administrative cost and medical research among a few others including frivilous malpractice suits....

 

[jreeves]

This is not out of left field at all. One of the reasons our healthcare costs are so high is that there are enormous profits in drugs and surgery, but not much profit in cheaper and more effective treatments.

BTW did you hear that there is a good chance that we now have a cure for HIV, which is being researched and developed right here in the good ole USA.

 

[DiamondDave]

what right wing drivel. this country is great because we have, or had, the greatest government in the world. the right blend of free markets and government services, oversite, etc.

If we were what you propose, we'd have a small upper and middle class and the rest would be poor.

mega corporations would squash all competition.

Your parents wouldn't have sent you to school and definitely not college.

You're almost suggesting survival of the fittest and anything goes.

It doesn't work that way.

If it were, you'd probably be a failure.

I might be a failure... who knows... but you with your entitlement attitude, would DEFINITELY be a failure.

Nobody owes you anything... Robin Hood is a myth, as is your socialist ideal

 

[DiamondDave]

Our society pays TWICE what the rest of the Western world pays for healthcare, because we have a bloated, patchwork, for profit, system. We can cover everyone cheaper and better. We can use the money we save for something else.

VA system... inefficient and bloated above what private healthcare is...

You socialist dream of healthcare is ridiculous... earn it yourself... do what you have to do..

Like my kids... you want my benefits, then you live by my rules and have my last name...

Try taking care of yourself for once... it's a liberating experience

You cannot cover everyone cheaper and better with the highest quality of services...

 

[Chris]

VA system... inefficient and bloated above what private healthcare is...

You socialist dream of healthcare is ridiculous... earn it yourself... do what you have to do..

Like my kids... you want my benefits, then you live by my rules and have my last name...

Try taking care of yourself for once... it's a liberating experience

You cannot cover everyone cheaper and better with the highest quality of services...

No, your lack of knowledge about the rest of the world is ridiculous. Do a little reading on the subject outside of right wing blogs.....

 

[editec]

thank you for explaining zoomie, however I must correct you on one thing, the wealthy do not pay 70% of ALL TAXES but do pay about 70% of our income taxes, which are not even 50% of our budget spent....

you can't say ALL taxes, because they do not pay 7% (about 14% with the company match) of their total income in SS taxes, and they don't pay corporate taxes and the excise taxes, custom duties and gas taxes, and stamp sales, and other taxes collected by the federal government, then if you add in what percentage of property taxes we pay for schools and sales taxes, and state income taxes and fees collected by the gvt for driving and permits and licenses to hunt, and fish and snowmobile etc, and last but most importantly the 100 billion to 300 billion in SS surplus taxes that are spent a year on what the federal general revenue fund/income taxes should be paying...

you can't really say that they pay 70% of ALL TAXES, because they don't...they only pay about 70% of the income taxes collected which i believe was $1.3 or maybe $1.5 trillion a year and we are spending $3 trillion a year....the other taxes collected comes from other things like corp taxes and gas taxes etc to help pay for the their expenditures....

hahahahahahaha! you can tell I am a female....all this chattiness...just to basically say,

i think you are correct on them paying 70% on al income taxes but NOT correct on them paying 70% of ALL taxes.

care

We say it over and over again. The numbers are there for them to check.

Still they insist on repeating the lie Care.

Their motives are obvious.

They are apologists for the system that is bankrupting this nation and most of the people in it.


They hate America and what it stands for, that's fairly obvious to me.

 

[DiamondDave]

No, your lack of knowledge about the rest of the world is ridiculous. Do a little reading on the subject outside of right wing blogs.....

Funny don't read blogs and don't listen to Rush or anyone either

It's called experience from living and working in the real world...

Your lack of common sense and your thoughts of entitlement are what is ridiculous

 

[DiamondDave]

We say it over and over again. The numbers are there for them to check.

Still they insist on repeating the lie Care.

Their motives are obvious.

They are apologists for the system that is bankrupting this nation and most of the people in it.


They hate America and what it stands for, that's fairly obvious to me.

What is obvious is your hatred for freedom.

With freedom comes the ability to succeed AND the ability to fail... and with living by your own choices and under your own responsibility, there will not always be the best possible outcome...

Your numbers are cooked, much like it seems your liberal brain is....

Again... you are not ENTITLED to this.... government's job is not an insurance company or a health plan administrator for the entire nation...

You are an apologist for a socialism or marxism based system, which inherently is about control and not freedom. Since that is against what this country was set up for, it would be more likely that you are the one with a hatred of America

 

[Chris]

What is obvious is your hatred for freedom.

With freedom comes the ability to succeed AND the ability to fail... and with living by your own choices and under your own responsibility, there will not always be the best possible outcome...

Your numbers are cooked, much like it seems your liberal brain is....

Again... you are not ENTITLED to this.... government's job is not an insurance company or a health plan administrator for the entire nation...

You are an apologist for a socialism or marxism based system, which inherently is about control and not freedom. Since that is against what this country was set up for, it would be more likely that you are the one with a hatred of America

Telling lies about "marxism" doesn't help you argument.

Editec is right, the numbers are there, you chose to ignore them.

A single payer system works for every other Western democracy in the world.

 

[Chris]

This would be due to our GDP, administrative cost and medical research among a few others including frivilous malpractice suits....

No, its do to adminstrative cost(excessive profits), unneccessry procedures(excessive profits), and the most expensive drugs in the world(more excessive profits).