246,000 New Jobs Drop Rate to 7.7%

[edthecynic]

great question, lets check the budget.....oh wait, we can't....

Speak for yourself, just because YOU are too stupid to google it doesn't mean everyone else has to be as stupid as YOU. You are the typical Misinformation Voter who does nothing but parrot the disinformation spread by the GOP hate media echo chamber while thinking you are so much more informed than anyone who disagrees with you.

The Budget | The White House

Where is the link showing that this was actually voted on and passed by Congress?

How is it Obama's fault the GOP obstructionists won't pass Obama's budget???? He submitted one every year.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Well why didn't the republicans do something during the 6 years they controlled everything?
That was BEFORE it all fell apart and they just bragged how fantastic the economy was.

Actually Bush was a Republican, not a conservative or libertarian. Remember the Prescription drug bill, for example??

 

[boedicca]

Speak for yourself, just because YOU are too stupid to google it doesn't mean everyone else has to be as stupid as YOU. You are the typical Misinformation Voter who does nothing but parrot the disinformation spread by the GOP hate media echo chamber while thinking you are so much more informed than anyone who disagrees with you.

The Budget | The White House

Where is the link showing that this was actually voted on and passed by Congress?

How is it Obama's fault the GOP obstructionists won't pass Obama's budget???? He submitted one every year.

This isn't even sporting...like shooting fish in a barrel, but edthecipher deserves it.

Now, who controls the Senate?

The Senate voted unanimously on Wednesday to reject a $3.7 trillion budget plan that President Obama sent to Capitol Hill in February.

Ninety-seven senators voted against a motion to take it up.

Democratic aides said ahead of the vote that the Democratic caucus would not support the plan because it has been supplanted by the deficit-reduction plan Obama outlined at a speech at George Washington University in April....


President's budget sinks, 97-0 - The Hill

 

[edthecynic]

I'm like, totally, down with that.

I'll also note, somewhat ironically, that in 2007, we had two wars underway. Why on earth couldn't we reduce military spending below 2007 levels with the Iraq one now ended?

Defense spending in 2007 was $650 billion and now is $900 billion. DOD is bitching about a 42 billion cut this year and you think they will accept $250 billion cut!!!

Gee. Who increased Defense spending by that much?

Probably the Party the Right says is weak on defense because they slash the defense budget.

 

[boedicca]

What budget?


And Spending Lots Of Money is not the definition of National Defense.

Just sayin'.

 

[edthecynic]

right , becasue all of a sudden in the last 4 years, in a dem. admin. with a plenitude of Osha's and assorted state, fed. agencies and reporting authorities up the ass, jobs have become just so much more harmful....

There were 895,011 new disability awards in 2008. Obviously it has nothing to do with the Party of the administration, but to the AGING of the population.
Don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

Uh. Disability is not Aging.

There has been a surge in Disability claims due to the long term unemployed being unable to find jobs. One can receive disability due to stress conditions.

Bullshit!

 

[Trajan]

There were 895,011 new disability awards in 2008. Obviously it has nothing to do with the Party of the administration, but to the AGING of the population.
Don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

fine, lets go back to 2000...

so, lets see- bush 8 years disability increase- 6,310,159


Obama 4 years- 4,043,467......

aging population ed? whatever on earth does that have to do with this?

Umm aging means getting older and having more disabilities.

when someone becomes disabled they become ...disabled....thats probably why the average age of the disabled worker is 53

 

[edthecynic]

Where is the link showing that this was actually voted on and passed by Congress?

How is it Obama's fault the GOP obstructionists won't pass Obama's budget???? He submitted one every year.

This isn't even sporting...like shooting fish in a barrel, but edthecipher deserves it.

Now, who controls the Senate?

The Senate voted unanimously on Wednesday to reject a $3.7 trillion budget plan that President Obama sent to Capitol Hill in February.

Ninety-seven senators voted against a motion to take it up.

Democratic aides said ahead of the vote that the Democratic caucus would not support the plan because it has been supplanted by the deficit-reduction plan Obama outlined at a speech at George Washington University in April....


President's budget sinks, 97-0 - The Hill

Again we see just how stupid and gullible the Misinformation Voter is.

The budget that sank 97-0 was not Obama's 2000 page budget, but the little fairy Jeffie Sessions' 27 page budget that the GOP pass off as Obama's budget to those stupid enough to swallow their bullshit.

 

[Trajan]

Speak for yourself, just because YOU are too stupid to google it doesn't mean everyone else has to be as stupid as YOU. You are the typical Misinformation Voter who does nothing but parrot the disinformation spread by the GOP hate media echo chamber while thinking you are so much more informed than anyone who disagrees with you.

The Budget | The White House

Where is the link showing that this was actually voted on and passed by Congress?

How is it Obama's fault the GOP obstructionists won't pass Obama's budget???? He submitted one every year.

right and wrong, he is duty bound to submit the first Monday in feb. ...
guess what. this year? naaaaahh, not yet


Obama's budget to be submitted in April, not March - UPI.com


he also holds the record for the longest lapse in budget submittal at 98 days....


and your answer is just symptomatic of your lack of knowledge of the budget process.


succinctly, it goes like this-


he submits, the house and senate ( thats your AH-HA! moment Ed) have budget committees, they massage the presidents budget plan, they create a resolution, their floors pass it, they have a meeting between the senate and house to create the binding resolution which will be sent to the president for approval...he can of course alter ( and send it back for 'consideration' meaning changes he wants) approve, or veto whatever.This process is supposed ot be completed by October btw....more on that later.

see ed, the gop house did their work ( ah ha moment) , in 2011 and 2012, they took obamas plan, massaged it in committee and sent it to the senate so they could consider it......and thats your ah ha moment becasue there the whole thing ground to a halt. Thank you harry ried.


in 2009 the house ands senate passed the final resolution june of 2008 but, knowing they had good shot at winning the presidential election, they held off on submitting it to the president ( Bush) until....April 2009 and after they massaged bushs requests etc. out of it and obama signed it, with not ONE gop vote btw....the budget should have been approved in October....2008.

in 2010? Thank you nancy, there was no budget submitted to the senate at all.

 

[Trajan]

How is it Obama's fault the GOP obstructionists won't pass Obama's budget???? He submitted one every year.

This isn't even sporting...like shooting fish in a barrel, but edthecipher deserves it.

Now, who controls the Senate?

The Senate voted unanimously on Wednesday to reject a $3.7 trillion budget plan that President Obama sent to Capitol Hill in February.

Ninety-seven senators voted against a motion to take it up.

Democratic aides said ahead of the vote that the Democratic caucus would not support the plan because it has been supplanted by the deficit-reduction plan Obama outlined at a speech at George Washington University in April....


President's budget sinks, 97-0 - The Hill

Again we see just how stupid and gullible the Misinformation Voter is.

The budget that sank 97-0 was not Obama's 2000 page budget, but the little fairy Jeffie Sessions' 27 page budget that the GOP pass off as Obama's budget to those stupid enough to swallow their bullshit.

see my post above, your objection means squat.

 

[boedicca]

There were 895,011 new disability awards in 2008. Obviously it has nothing to do with the Party of the administration, but to the AGING of the population.
Don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

Uh. Disability is not Aging.

There has been a surge in Disability claims due to the long term unemployed being unable to find jobs. One can receive disability due to stress conditions.

Bullshit!

Here you go. Do some math. Lost of people below the age of 65 are on Disability.

Disabled worker beneficiaries distributed by age

And there is a good analysis of the data at this link:

http://not-yet-europe.com/2012/09/07/where-have-all-the-workers-gone/

Slightly more than 6 % of the workforce, up 1% under Obama, is getting these payments. Even when the real recession actually ends, they will be getting these payments. Six percent of the US workforce is approximately 11 million individuals. Almost half of which have gone the rolls on in the last few years.

Nearly all of the disabilty caseload is of people between 45 and 65, with a distinct spike in new applicants at age 50, since the SS administration relaxes its scrutiny at that age. This means that people typically stay on disability for 10-15 years....


And then we have what Disability means to the SS administration:

"Disability" under Social Security is based on your inability to work. We consider you disabled under Social Security rules if:

You cannot do work that you did before;
We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death.

Disability Planner: What We Mean By Disability


In essence, the Obama Administration is using SSDI as a form of welfare for people who can't find work and whose UI has run out.

 

[Trajan]

There were 895,011 new disability awards in 2008. Obviously it has nothing to do with the Party of the administration, but to the AGING of the population.
Don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

fine, lets go back to 2000...

so, lets see- bush 8 years disability increase- 6,310,159


Obama 4 years- 4,043,467......

aging population ed? whatever on earth does that have to do with this?

Just about everything!
Like I said, don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

I get tired of schooling you. I answered, go look......

 

[GHook93]

Well why didn't the republicans do something during the 6 years they controlled everything?
That was BEFORE it all fell apart and they just bragged how fantastic the economy was.

What don't you understand about the phrase BUSH IGNOREDd the problem. The artificial mortgage bubble created an economic boom, Bush road that boom to a great economy. He didn't face the bubble because if would have ended his artificial boom!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Uh. Disability is not Aging.

There has been a surge in Disability claims due to the long term unemployed being unable to find jobs. One can receive disability due to stress conditions.

Really? How does one go about getting SSI? I assume you didn't mean worker's comp or general assistance. So you must know the procedure, do tell.

You Low Information Voters are incredibly tedious.

A search engine is your friend.



The Social Security and Supplemental Security Income disability programs are the largest of several Federal programs that provide assistance to people with disabilities. While these two programs are different in many ways, both are administered by the Social Security Administration and only individuals who have a disability and meet medical criteria may qualify for benefits under either program.

Social Security Disability Insurance pays benefits to you and certain members of your family if you are "insured," meaning that you worked long enough and paid Social Security taxes.

Supplemental Security Income pays benefits based on financial need.

Benefits for People with Disabilities

I know what SSI is and I know what workers comp is but what does either have to do with unemployment numbers? You suggested all one has to do is claim stress and they would get disability. I asked how they would do that? Since you're a high information person (at least in your own mind) tell me what they need to do (I know, I ran a jail and we had staff who tried to get stress disability, none every did on my watch).

 

[boedicca]

O.Mi.Gawd.

This question has been answered multiple times in the thread - yet you LIVs cannot read for either comprehension or retention.

Here's an easy summary"

"We see a lot of people applying for disability once their unemployment insurance expires," said Matthew Rutledge, a research economist at Boston College's Center for Retirement Research.

The number of applications last year was up 24% compared with 2008, Social Security Administration data show.

As the Congressional Budget Office explained : "When opportunities for employment are plentiful, some people who could quality for (disability insurance) benefits find working more attractive ... when employment opportunities are scarce, some of these people participate in the DI program instead."

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Disabled America: 5.4 Million Join Social Security Disability Insurance Rolls Under Obama - Investors.com

 

[edthecynic]

Uh. Disability is not Aging.

There has been a surge in Disability claims due to the long term unemployed being unable to find jobs. One can receive disability due to stress conditions.

Bullshit!

Here you go. Do some math. Lost of people below the age of 65 are on Disability.

Disabled worker beneficiaries distributed by age

And there is a good analysis of the data at this link:

Where Have All the Workers Gone? » Not Yet Europe

Slightly more than 6 % of the workforce, up 1% under Obama, is getting these payments. Even when the real recession actually ends, they will be getting these payments. Six percent of the US workforce is approximately 11 million individuals. Almost half of which have gone the rolls on in the last few years.

Nearly all of the disabilty caseload is of people between 45 and 65, with a distinct spike in new applicants at age 50, since the SS administration relaxes its scrutiny at that age. This means that people typically stay on disability for 10-15 years....


And then we have what Disability means to the SS administration:

"Disability" under Social Security is based on your inability to work. We consider you disabled under Social Security rules if:

You cannot do work that you did before;
We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death.

Disability Planner: What We Mean By Disability


In essence, the Obama Administration is using SSDI as a form of welfare for people who can't find work and whose UI has run out.

Pure BULLSHIT!

First of all there is nothing there that supports your claim that they are collecting disability from the stress of running out of UI. In fact, your not credible "good analysis" that claims that APPLICATIONS spike at 50 because SS relaxes their scrutiny at that age is not reflected in a spike in awards at that age as shown by your first link. There is the exact same "spike" in awards at age 47 as age 50.

There are more people at ages 50 to 65 collecting disability because there are more of them in the overall population thanks to the baby boom, not because there was any relaxing of scrutiny.

 

[uscitizen]

Uh. Disability is not Aging.

There has been a surge in Disability claims due to the long term unemployed being unable to find jobs. One can receive disability due to stress conditions.

Bullshit!

Here you go. Do some math. Lost of people below the age of 65 are on Disability.

Disabled worker beneficiaries distributed by age

And there is a good analysis of the data at this link:

Where Have All the Workers Gone? » Not Yet Europe

Slightly more than 6 % of the workforce, up 1% under Obama, is getting these payments. Even when the real recession actually ends, they will be getting these payments. Six percent of the US workforce is approximately 11 million individuals. Almost half of which have gone the rolls on in the last few years.

Nearly all of the disabilty caseload is of people between 45 and 65, with a distinct spike in new applicants at age 50, since the SS administration relaxes its scrutiny at that age. This means that people typically stay on disability for 10-15 years....


And then we have what Disability means to the SS administration:

"Disability" under Social Security is based on your inability to work. We consider you disabled under Social Security rules if:

You cannot do work that you did before;
We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death.

Disability Planner: What We Mean By Disability


In essence, the Obama Administration is using SSDI as a form of welfare for people who can't find work and whose UI has run out.

"We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death."

Yep just can't find work....

Apparently none of you know it alls have ever filed for disability.
I could not walk, had to take massive amounts of painkillers and it took 6 months to get on disability.
And was determined to be terminal.
I was declined the first time.
Lots of paperwork and hassle.

So you eggspurts can just blow it out your asses do you hear?

 

[edthecynic]

O.Mi.Gawd.

This question has been answered multiple times in the thread - yet you LIVs cannot read for either comprehension or retention.

Here's an easy summary"

"We see a lot of people applying for disability once their unemployment insurance expires," said Matthew Rutledge, a research economist at Boston College's Center for Retirement Research.

The number of applications last year was up 24% compared with 2008, Social Security Administration data show.

As the Congressional Budget Office explained : "When opportunities for employment are plentiful, some people who could quality for (disability insurance) benefits find working more attractive ... when employment opportunities are scarce, some of these people participate in the DI program instead."

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Disabled America: 5.4 Million Join Social Security Disability Insurance Rolls Under Obama - Investors.com

Again we see why the GOP loves to lie to the Misinformation Voter, they are too stupid to know the difference between APPLICATIONS and AWARDS. Just because lazy Republican slackers try to game the system and claim that they are "stressed" because their UI ran out, does not mean they will be awarded a disability payment.

Your own previous post said that awards were up 1% under Obama so just because Invested Bigots Daily misleads you with the stat that APPLICATIONS are up 24% does not mean AWARDS are up 24%!!!!!

Damn, MIVs are gullible!!!!!

From your other post:

And there is a good analysis of the data at this link:

Where Have All the Workers Gone? » Not Yet Europe

Slightly more than 6 % of the workforce, up 1% under Obama, is getting these payments.

 

[uscitizen]

Bullshit!

Here you go. Do some math. Lost of people below the age of 65 are on Disability.

Disabled worker beneficiaries distributed by age

And there is a good analysis of the data at this link:

Where Have All the Workers Gone? » Not Yet Europe

Slightly more than 6 % of the workforce, up 1% under Obama, is getting these payments. Even when the real recession actually ends, they will be getting these payments. Six percent of the US workforce is approximately 11 million individuals. Almost half of which have gone the rolls on in the last few years.

Nearly all of the disabilty caseload is of people between 45 and 65, with a distinct spike in new applicants at age 50, since the SS administration relaxes its scrutiny at that age. This means that people typically stay on disability for 10-15 years....


And then we have what Disability means to the SS administration:

"Disability" under Social Security is based on your inability to work. We consider you disabled under Social Security rules if:

You cannot do work that you did before;
We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death.

Disability Planner: What We Mean By Disability


In essence, the Obama Administration is using SSDI as a form of welfare for people who can't find work and whose UI has run out.

Pure BULLSHIT!

First of all there is nothing there that supports your claim that they are collecting disability from the stress of running out of UI. In fact, your not credible "good analysis" that claims that APPLICATIONS spike at 50 because SS relaxes their scrutiny at that age is not reflected in a spike in awards at that age as shown by your first link. There is the exact same "spike" in awards at age 47 as age 50.

There are more people at ages 50 to 65 collecting disability because there are more of them in the overall population thanks to the baby boom, not because there was any relaxing of scrutiny.

They could maybe get SSDI because of obvious mental impairment.

 

[Trajan]

Bullshit!

Here you go. Do some math. Lost of people below the age of 65 are on Disability.

Disabled worker beneficiaries distributed by age

And there is a good analysis of the data at this link:

Where Have All the Workers Gone? » Not Yet Europe

Slightly more than 6 % of the workforce, up 1% under Obama, is getting these payments. Even when the real recession actually ends, they will be getting these payments. Six percent of the US workforce is approximately 11 million individuals. Almost half of which have gone the rolls on in the last few years.

Nearly all of the disabilty caseload is of people between 45 and 65, with a distinct spike in new applicants at age 50, since the SS administration relaxes its scrutiny at that age. This means that people typically stay on disability for 10-15 years....


And then we have what Disability means to the SS administration:

"Disability" under Social Security is based on your inability to work. We consider you disabled under Social Security rules if:

You cannot do work that you did before;
We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death.

Disability Planner: What We Mean By Disability


In essence, the Obama Administration is using SSDI as a form of welfare for people who can't find work and whose UI has run out.

Pure BULLSHIT!

First of all there is nothing there that supports your claim that they are collecting disability from the stress of running out of UI. In fact, your not credible "good analysis" that claims that APPLICATIONS spike at 50 because SS relaxes their scrutiny at that age is not reflected in a spike in awards at that age as shown by your first link. There is the exact same "spike" in awards at age 47 as age 50.

There are more people at ages 50 to 65 collecting disability because there are more of them in the overall population thanks to the baby boom, not because there was any relaxing of scrutiny.

and I don't think she said that the stress was due to running out of benefits..can you link to where she did please? I missed it.



uh huh, that many more? I don't think so, unless your hypothesizing again, with no facts.

Unless you have the numbers...be careful ed.

oh and your comment as to 50-65?

the average age for liability awards is 52.7 since 1960....and, aside from 1960-which was 57 , its been under 54 every single year.....so your 65 number as the high range is pure smoke.