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How is this money related? Lots of people buy homes they can't afford, they should lose their gun rights?so you think someone deemed incapable of handling their own money should be trusted to handle a firearm?I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.
260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December
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The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.
Guns in the News reports:
Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.
Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.
Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”
This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.
Once again, Guns in the News reported:
As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.
I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
Good for the VA
With the number of PTSD suicides, the last thing these guys need is a handy firearm
Good for the VA
With the number of PTSD suicides, the last thing these guys need is a handy firearm
Because the ONLY way to kill yourself is with a gun. You are such an idiot.
no, but the gun sure makes it easier to be successful.Good for the VA
With the number of PTSD suicides, the last thing these guys need is a handy firearm
Because the ONLY way to kill yourself is with a gun. You are such an idiot.
the statistics are out there. gyn ownership and suicide rates positively correlate
How is this money related? Lots of people buy homes they can't afford, they should lose their gun rights?so you think someone deemed incapable of handling their own money should be trusted to handle a firearm?I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.
260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December
![]()
The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.
Guns in the News reports:
Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.
Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.
Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”
This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.
Once again, Guns in the News reported:
As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.
I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
Hopefully left loons such as yourself will be added to it
Bottom Feeder means bidding lower than the manufacturer for a project. We constructed giant steel electro-mechanical structures.You were a bottom feeder? Garbage business?Cool story, sounds like you had fun and your company was a real butt fucker, I've dealt with many. But not everyone rolls that way.I believe it is real but overused as an excuse. Constant stress takes it's toll on you, even in business I've felt the effects. They used to call it shell shocked. But having some quack decide whether you can have a gun is wrong UNLESS you have made threatening comments. And I don't think I'd trust a shrink with a gun.You will boo me for this but I think PTSD is a coward's disease.
When I was a third owner of a little over a million dollar gross per year business decades ago, I fired the man who hired me at a special board meeting. That bothered me a little bit but he threatened to kick my ass and I kicked his ass kicked to the curb with no parachute. "Strike When The Iron Is Hot" was our company motto.
"Bottom Feeder" was term used for my company back in the day.
no, but the gun sure makes it easier to be successful.Good for the VA
With the number of PTSD suicides, the last thing these guys need is a handy firearm
Because the ONLY way to kill yourself is with a gun. You are such an idiot.
the statistics are out there. gyn ownership and suicide rates positively correlate
Also thought provoking and informative.
You said nothing about being determined mentally incompetent by a court. We were discussing PTSD and the VA, you hopped into the wrong thread or didn't understand the big grown up words.How is this money related? Lots of people buy homes they can't afford, they should lose their gun rights?so you think someone deemed incapable of handling their own money should be trusted to handle a firearm?I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.
260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December
![]()
The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.
Guns in the News reports:
Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.
Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.
Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”
This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.
Once again, Guns in the News reported:
As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.
I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
Got more to do with the courts saying you need someone to be responsible for you than it does with not making enough money. Surely you understand the difference.
so you think someone deemed incapable of handling their own money should be trusted to handle a firearm?I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.
260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December
![]()
The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.
Guns in the News reports:
Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.
Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.
Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”
This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.
Once again, Guns in the News reported:
As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.
I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
It should depend on the reason they need a payee, decided on a case-by-case basis...I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.
260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December
![]()
The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.
Guns in the News reports:
Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.
Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.
Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”
This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.
Once again, Guns in the News reported:
As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.
I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
The criteria isn't murky at all. If they aren't capable of handling their own affairs, they aren't capable of using a gun.
It's all good if you can pull it off. Low bids are scary though, been there done that. One fuckup can make it all a waste of time.Bottom Feeder means bidding lower than the manufacturer for a project. We constructed giant steel electro-mechanical structures.You were a bottom feeder? Garbage business?Cool story, sounds like you had fun and your company was a real butt fucker, I've dealt with many. But not everyone rolls that way.I believe it is real but overused as an excuse. Constant stress takes it's toll on you, even in business I've felt the effects. They used to call it shell shocked. But having some quack decide whether you can have a gun is wrong UNLESS you have made threatening comments. And I don't think I'd trust a shrink with a gun.
When I was a third owner of a little over a million dollar gross per year business decades ago, I fired the man who hired me at a special board meeting. That bothered me a little bit but he threatened to kick my ass and I kicked his ass kicked to the curb with no parachute. "Strike When The Iron Is Hot" was our company motto.
"Bottom Feeder" was term used for my company back in the day.
So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.
260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December
![]()
The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.
Guns in the News reports:
Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.
Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.
Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”
This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.
Once again, Guns in the News reported:
As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.
"The increase in suicide in the military was driven largely by the Army, where suicides rose sharply from 45 in 2001 to 165 in 2012. The Army reported 120 suicides last year, the same as in 2013 and down from 124 in 2014."AND...., this too..,
U.S. military suicides remain high for 7th year
The Pentagon reported Friday that 265 active-duty service members killed themselves last year, continuing a trend of unusually high suicide rates that have plagued the U.S. military for at least seven years.
no, but the gun sure makes it easier to be successful.Good for the VA
With the number of PTSD suicides, the last thing these guys need is a handy firearm
Because the ONLY way to kill yourself is with a gun. You are such an idiot.
the statistics are out there. gyn ownership and suicide rates positively correlate
Also thought provoking and informative.You said nothing about being determined mentally incompetent by a court. We were discussing PTSD and the VA, you hopped into the wrong thread or didn't understand the big grown up words.How is this money related? Lots of people buy homes they can't afford, they should lose their gun rights?so you think someone deemed incapable of handling their own money should be trusted to handle a firearm?I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
Got more to do with the courts saying you need someone to be responsible for you than it does with not making enough money. Surely you understand the difference.
You will boo me for this but I think PTSD is a coward's disease,
no, but the gun sure makes it easier to be successful.Good for the VA
With the number of PTSD suicides, the last thing these guys need is a handy firearm
Because the ONLY way to kill yourself is with a gun. You are such an idiot.
the statistics are out there. gyn ownership and suicide rates positively correlate
Also thought provoking and informative.You said nothing about being determined mentally incompetent by a court. We were discussing PTSD and the VA, you hopped into the wrong thread or didn't understand the big grown up words.How is this money related? Lots of people buy homes they can't afford, they should lose their gun rights?so you think someone deemed incapable of handling their own money should be trusted to handle a firearm?I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.
Got more to do with the courts saying you need someone to be responsible for you than it does with not making enough money. Surely you understand the difference.