3 stupid myths republicans believe

[whitehall]

What's amazing is that anyone over the age of 15 believes the myth that all money belongs to the government and taxation is the God given right of democrat administrations no matter how the money is spent..

 

[thereisnospoon]

Can you please stop making a complete idiot yourself? Or are you simply not capable of stopping yourself?

It's the Bureau of Labor Statistics making that claim. The BLS is not the "left." I'm just repeating their claim.

really?

oh good; show me where the BLS says all those people "dont want to work"

you can do it chump!!

and what was your number again? 94% or something?/

go for it!

You never learn, do you, rightard? Of course I can do it ...

Number of people not in the labor force: 92,534,000

Number of those who want a job now: 6,508,000

6.5 million out of 92.5 million is 93%. Sorry, I was off by 1 percentage point because I hadn't calculated the numbers since the latest figures have been released.

You may now crawl back under your rock, rightie.

Ahem....Without embarrassing you, I offer you the opportunity to check your math.
Oh. You libs could not care less about jobs or commerce. As far as your side is concerned, work is a dirty word. As long as the numbers of those dependent on government continue to grow, you're fine with that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

"the poor and Middle Class had it MUCH BETTER when Repubs ran things"


Maybe you should read this in it's entirety:
America's Lost Decade Turns 12: Even the Rich Are Worse Off Than Before
America's Lost Decade Turns 12: Even the Rich Are Worse Off Than Before - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

It seems that your statement isn't accurate at all.

"The middle class has been buried by the last 4 years." -Joe Biden.

Who in the fuck cares what Joe Biden says? He's just another out-of-touch politician.

If Joe Biden had stated "this is the most robust economy for the middle class in the last 20 years", you'd be bowing at his feet and extolling the virtue of his insightful commentary.

 

[thereisnospoon]

really?

oh good; show me where the BLS says all those people "dont want to work"

you can do it chump!!

and what was your number again? 94% or something?/

go for it!

He can't. He's lying.

Possibly the only good thing about you brain-dead rightards is that there's never a shortage of you imbeciles to make fun of.

Wrong, brain-dead rightie. I proved it in post #132.

dear faun liebowitz.....You come here to insult people because you are angry with them. You hate all people and things not liberal.
You are marginalized. Your posts do not dignify a response.
You are nothing.
No need for you to respond. It will go unread. Dismissed.

 

[thereisnospoon]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

Anyone drawing social security is a socialist. Anyone sending their kids to public school is a socialist.

That post does not rise to the level of stupid.
Why did you waste an hour of your time thinking up that response?
That's a rhetorical question. One which does not require a response. So save it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You klnow, if you want to refute something someone writes, you need to provide some kind of argument, fact, or link. Merely telling him he's brainwashed just isnt very persuasive.
But you do this because you are a low information assholecocksucker incapable of such higher level functioning. I've never seen you substantiate or argue any point. You immediately label someone brainwashed, right wing mouthpiece or some other crap. Its because you have inferior intelligence, is what I guess.

Rabbi, please keep in mind that I know you're a liar, one of the dumber members on this forum and a partisan hack whose too many posts usually contain homophobic and vulgar sexual comments. All of which make you one very sick puppy.

That truth said, I have on this thread posted substantive comments in response to the numerous posts by those brainwashed individuals who like you represent the idiot fringe. All you and they ever posted are personal attacks (as noted yours are almost always sexual and vulgar) in response to any comment posted by others not supporting the dogma and axioms the far right believes are absolute truths.

Nothing sagacious has ever been the product of your keyboard, and you have never ever posted anything panoptic. Gibberish parroting of right wing propaganda is what you believe to be substantive and that is very sad.

Seeing as both the right and the left have reason to believe what they believe, I suggest you recognize that your post is somewhat hypocritical.

For every left initiative, I can show you why I believe it is wrong as you can show me why you believe it is right and for every right initiative, you will be able to show me why you believe I am wrong while I can show you why I believe I am right.

It is the spin and the hyperbole that ruins good debates.

And, of course, those that think they are 100% right and anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Actually you're correct, the far right - as well as the far left - are members of the idiot fringe and hold to opinions which are inconsistent with reason; most are hypocritical and some are dishonest. I can't name one person who posts on this forum who is far left. Can you? If so, what opinions do you consider far left?

There are a number who post from the far right, some argue only land/property owners should have the right to vote; some want to outlaw Islam in the United States; others want to secede from the Union and form a new republic; others to repeal sec. 1 of the fourteenth Amendment and deny citizenship to those born in the United States whose parents are not citizens; others are racists, misogynists and homophobic who want the states authority to deny them the rights of other citizens.

 

[gnarlylove]

Imagine Living in A Socialist USA

To be a democrat in office in this country is to be a mild republican. To be a republican in office is to be edging towards far ends of the right political spectrum. To be typical citizen and a typical street republican is to be fascist for America with American Exceptionalism written all over it. To be sure there is a common bond often found with these folks: xenophobia, climate change denier, total lack of empathy and arrogant as well as staunch anti-anything but capitalism.

Fascism defined:
Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from each other, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites... more at fascism (politics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

As for the far left, I'd consider myself a liberal ironist like Richard Rorty described...

 

[candycorn]

Great. Another rightie who lost that bet but then welched.

They are the party of personal responsibility until they are the persons who are held responsible...then it becomes a totally different ballgame.

What gets me is that the only thing risked was posting on a message board. If the stakes were astronomically higher such as $5 (LOL), I could see where they would welch and rationalize. But the stakes here was not doing something....

I find it really easy to "not" do something... I guess I'm just strong that way.

they?

When you decide to post like an adult, let me know. (like you used to do)

Nearly every loser in the bets welched.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Romney was a specialist in offshoring companies to red china which is a communist country. This has made commie china wealthy enough to build up their military to be a threat to the USA in the not too distant future. Anybody that voted for Romney is a supporter of a communist regime. and therefore a communist themselves.

Oh? Got a link so we can read up on that?
BTW, what kind of jobs generally go to foreign countries?
Now I want you to specify jobs that were here and are no longer held by people who are here.
For example....Can you prove that a factory that makes oh, computer chips that had conditions been different, would have been built here in the US?
Next, what is your assessment of foreign companies that locate here and employ American workers when those firms could just as easily stay home and hire workers in those nations?
Because all this blather and bloviating about "jobs going to China" is whole lot of horse shit.
It's pure politics.

 

[kiwiman127]

ironic that the rich are getting much richer then they were before; and at a faster rate; under Progressive Majority rule isnt it?

but then again that is the whole point isnt it?


the poor and Middle Class had it MUCH BETTER when Repubs ran things

true story

ok; now enter the next excuse for PROGRESSIVE FAILURE here___________________

"the poor and Middle Class had it MUCH BETTER when Repubs ran things"


Maybe you should read this in it's entirety:
America's Lost Decade Turns 12: Even the Rich Are Worse Off Than Before
America's Lost Decade Turns 12: Even the Rich Are Worse Off Than Before - Jordan Weissmann - The Atlantic

It seems that your statement isn't accurate at all.

In my lifetime his statement rings true. And that's all that matters to my family & me.

I always respect your opinion Grampa, but the Census Bureau data shows different, read the article.

 

[bedowin62]

the rich and ONLY the rich have gained wealth under obama

true story

i see people trying to make a case that the rich arent doing better under obama; but they are certainly less worse of then the poor under obama; and the Middle class under obama

what the left-wing jackasses cant accept; under obama the Middle Class and the poor have gotten and continue to get POORER, FASTER UNDER OBAMA; THAN THEY DID UNDER BUSH AND REPUBLICANS

idiots and hypocrites

 

[HelenaHandbag]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

^^^
Wish I had said that.

 

[Antares]

Myths is a specialist in this sort of thing.

Everyone knows that the CIA cooked the intel going into Iraq; so much Colin Powell--the sitting Secretary of State--basically had it out with his intel officers prior to his UN Testimony. Asreported in the Guardian (the current Conservative paper of favor)

Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up secret review | World news | The Guardian

Yet whenever Iraq is brought up, Myths is quick to cite the Democrats without Powell's access (they were outside the administration) believed the CIA's reports about Iraq's WMDs. Basically Bush made the CIA a propaganda arm of his administration.

Horse shit, I have DEM quotes including the Clinton's as far back as 93 saying Saddam had them, quit lying.

Yes, and you're 100% correct about that.

At that point it becomes a matter of threat assessment however. Through the lens of history we know that Clinton had the 1993 bombing of the WTC and Bush had the attack on WTC in 2001. (Neither one carried out by Saddam) Clinton looked at the intel and decided it was no threat and Bush looked at it and decided it was time to go to war. It turns out Clinton was right in the early 1990's about the threat Saddam posed to the US.

In the interest of fairness, Saddam attacking Israel would have put the US into a no-win situation--MAYBE. There is a 50/50 chance that the OPEC nations would have sided with us as they did in Desert Storm but there is equal chance that they would have looked at it as a blessing from Allah or whatever. Since we received no real interference from OPEC in Operation Iraqi Freedom, it's more likely that they would have backed us but you never really know.

If you want to use the Dem quotes from pre 2000 great but knowing the CIA cooked the intel it was feeding Congress then blaming Congress for it's belief that the CIA was an honest broker is why his name is now officially Myths.

That was a well thought out response, thank you.

 

[whitehall]

The state of New York has an ad campaign on radio and TV offering tax incentives to business if they relocate to NY. What's that all about? Can it be that even the most aggressive tax and spend state realizes that they can't tax their way to prosperity?

 

[The Rabbi]

Possibly the only good thing about you brain-dead rightards is that there's never a shortage of you imbeciles to make fun of.

Wrong, brain-dead rightie. I proved it in post #132.

You did no such thing. You took the number of people not working, subtracted the number actively looking, and declared the rest of them not interested in working. That's a gross fallacy. But typical for an inferior intellect like you.
Then you have the nerve to claim you did indeed prove it by referring back to your discredited fallacious post. Now you will repeat the same post again in different words and swear up and down we've been over this and the point is made. Watch you.

Holyfuckingshit!

Can you please stop with your lunacy? Your ignorance is giving me a headache.

You are a complete fucking retarded imbecile. There's just no other way to describe you. No, rightard, I did not post the number of people "actively looking" for work. Those folks fall into the labor force category. I posted the number of folks who are "not in the labor force" but want to work. Obviously, you simply don't possess the mental abilities required to comprehend that's two different categories.

The BLS breaks down the categories of people who are not in the workforce under various conditions, including whether or not they want to work even though they're no longer looking for work.

The imbecile is you. You think people just say "no I have no interest in working whatsover" and that's it?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The state of New York has an ad campaign on radio and TV offering tax incentives to business if they relocate to NY. What's that all about? Can it be that even the most aggressive tax and spend state realizes that they can't tax their way to prosperity?

I suspect it means the Democratic Governor of NY state understands that targeted tax cuts work. Too bad the Republicans still believe cutting taxes to Billionaires tickle down. We've learned they put those tax savings into foreign banks and invest in foreign companies; obviously they do not tickle down to other Americans, otherwise the Bush tax cuts which Obama extended would have either prevented or lessened and shortened the Great Recession.

 

[The Rabbi]

The state of New York has an ad campaign on radio and TV offering tax incentives to business if they relocate to NY. What's that all about? Can it be that even the most aggressive tax and spend state realizes that they can't tax their way to prosperity?

I suspect it means the Democratic Governor of NY state understands that targeted tax cuts work. Too bad the Republicans still believe cutting taxes to Billionaires tickle down. We've learned they put those tax savings into foreign banks and invest in foreign companies; obviously they do not tickle down to other Americans, otherwise the Bush tax cuts which Obama extended would have either prevented or lessened and shortened the Great Recession.

How well has it worked for Illinois? They raised taxes on everyone and then hadf to give "targeted tax breaks" to select companies so they wouldn't move out of state. In other words, bribery.
No doubt targeted tax breaks appeals to you, with government picking winners and losers and all. But in the real world the free market determines those things. In your world taxpayer end up supporting corporations that should have been left to fail.

 

[thereisnospoon]

you poor crybaby idiot; ankle-biting like the loser you are.

i asked for you to prove the BLS SAYS PEOPLE DONT WANT TO WORK; not to do a math problem for me..

what a pathetic, lame loser you are

so AGAIN idiot; prove your claim that the BLS says those people "DONT WANT TO WORK" WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAID

You fucking imbecile. People either want to work or they don't. The BLS indicates that in the data series I post.

You should get a frontal lobotomy. It could only be an improvement.

Since you've already had yours?

 

[thereisnospoon]

By 2003, Mr. Bush grasped this lesson.
In that year, he cut the dividend and capital gains rates to 15 percent each, and the economy responded.
In two years, stocks rose 20 percent.
In three years, $15 trillion of new wealth was created.
The U.S. economy added 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007, and the median household increased its wealth by $20,000 in real terms.

But the real jolt for tax-cutting opponents was that the 03 Bush tax cuts also generated a massive increase in federal tax receipts.
From 2004 to 2007, federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion, the largest four-year increase in American history. According to the Treasury Department, individual and corporate income tax receipts were up 40 percent in the three years following the Bush tax cuts. And (bonus) the rich paid an even higher percentage of the total tax burden than they had at any time in at least the previous 40 years. This was news to theNew York Times, whose astonished editorial board could only describe the gains as a “surprise windfall.”

DWYER: Bush tax cuts boosted federal revenue - Washington Times

Now for the substantiation...
Historical Tables | The White House

2004-2007...
I love the way Conservatives won't state one year at a time.
Of course people were being hired in 2006-2007; under FALSE pretenses created by a HOUSING BUBBLE!

Myths is a specialist in this sort of thing.

Everyone knows that the CIA cooked the intel going into Iraq; so much Colin Powell--the sitting Secretary of State--basically had it out with his intel officers prior to his UN Testimony. Asreported in the Guardian (the current Conservative paper of favor)

Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up secret review | World news | The Guardian

Yet whenever Iraq is brought up, Myths is quick to cite the Democrats without Powell's access (they were outside the administration) believed the CIA's reports about Iraq's WMDs. Basically Bush made the CIA a propaganda arm of his administration.

"Everyone knows"...
Ya know in which bodily orifice you can cram that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Imagine Living in A Socialist USA

To be a democrat in office in this country is to be a mild republican. To be a republican in office is to be edging towards far ends of the right political spectrum. To be typical citizen and a typical street republican is to be fascist for America with American Exceptionalism written all over it. To be sure there is a common bond often found with these folks: xenophobia, climate change denier, total lack of empathy and arrogant as well as staunch anti-anything but capitalism.

Fascism defined:
Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from each other, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites... more at fascism (politics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

As for the far left, I'd consider myself a liberal ironist like Richard Rorty described...

Let's not imagine. Look, you can save the commie rhetoric.
It isn't going to happen here so i suggest you renounce your citizenship, pack up your shit and move to another country. One where you can be comfy knowing you'll never have to work a day or lift a finger to help yourself.
A country where you can sit in your free hovel under a quilt with your free cable tv, free phone, free pot, free booze and live off the taxpayers.