3 stupid myths republicans believe

[Faun]

If you haven't figured it out by now, there's no sense going over it yet again.

Great. Yet another rightard who thinks bluffing is an adequate aversion to avoid answering questions which blow away their position.

Rightard, like the others, you actually prove my point when you demonstrate you can't answer that question.

April, 1997, during a great economy, the misery index equals 7.4. July, 2009, during a horrible economy, the misery index equals 7.4. So? What does a misery index of 7.4 indicate?

... btw, you never responded in regard to my post on why the idiotic claim that the unemployment rate is 32.7% was so completely rightarded. You asked me a question about it and I answered. You have no comments?

I have already explained how the economy is made up of more than just ONE statistical figure, you have to look at several factors such as the misery index, the U-6, in CONJUNCTION with the unemployment number, to get an overall view of how the nation is doing. It's no surprise that you are incapable of giving a break down discription of what each indicator means in demonstrating that you have any knowledge of being capable of interpretating the economy correctly. You can't just give a misery index without including any other piece of information together to formulate an overall economic picture, any "competent" person having a basic discussion on the economy knows this. My god you are hopeless! Do us all a favor and pick a different topic, if you don't have a clue as to what each indicator represents, and how it's used to detail in what way it can have an effect with a particular group of people.

The very fact that you are only focusing on the misery index alone, and providing no other piece of information.... nothing else, in your question PROVES you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

Your bullshit remains bullshit. If the [U3] unemployment rate is in double digits, no other indicator is necessary to know the economy sucks. If GDP is negative for 2 or more consecutive quarters, no other indicator is necessary to know the economy sucks. If deflation is high, no other indicator is necessary to know the economy sucks. That you need those valuable economic indicators to determine if the misery index is accurate or not, makes my point. The misery index is not reliable and an indicator that is not reliable is not an indicator.

 

[Faun]

You can't even keep your own argument straight, Faun! You state that the unemployment rate "accurately measures" temporary workers? Where is that number discounted from the unemployment numbers? I can show you quite clearly where unemployment numbers went down BECAUSE of temporary hiring of census workers and that unemployment number was never "adjusted" to reflect the temporary nature of the hires for the census. It simply goes down until the workers doing census work are laid off and then those jobs are lost once again and the unemployment number reflects the job losses.

Are saying the unemployment numbers dropped when the census workers were hired and the unemployment numbers increased when they were let go?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Do you not know this?

Of course I know that -- that's what I said.

 

[American_Jihad]

I see this thread is for progressive/liberal/commies
to hangout @ da



and brown nose each other

FlameZone...​

 

[Oldstyle]

Are saying the unemployment numbers dropped when the census workers were hired and the unemployment numbers increased when they were let go?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Do you not know this?

Of course I know that -- that's what I said.

So explain to me why the unemployment number is anymore reliable than Misery Index when you can have a full time employee have their hours cut back to the point where they are part time...and then another part time employee is hired to cover the hours that were taken away from the formally full time employee? Under our current system those two part time employees, who when combined are working the same number of hours as the full time worker used to work...now count as two employed people in the unemployment number.

Or explain how a discouraged unemployed person can simply give up looking for work and no longer be counted as "unemployed" even though they don't have a job and would like to work?

You claim that the Misery Index isn't an economic indicator because deflation can give the overall number an incorrect meaning...but have no problem with unemployment being considered an economic indicator even though things like full time workers being replaced with part timers or discouraged unemployed simply giving up and falling out of the count altogether can give the unemployment number an incorrect total.

 

[Faun]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Do you not know this?

Of course I know that -- that's what I said.

So explain to me why the unemployment number is anymore reliable than Misery Index when you can have a full time employee have their hours cut back to the point where they are part time...and then another part time employee is hired to cover the hours that were taken away from the formally full time employee? Under our current system those two part time employees, who when combined are working the same number of hours as the full time worker used to work...now count as two employed people in the unemployment number.

You're surprised that two people working are counted as two people working?

Or explain how a discouraged unemployed person can simply give up looking for work and no longer be counted as "unemployed" even though they don't have a job and would like to work?

You are trying [and failing] to redefine what the unemployment rate indicates. The U3 rate indicates people who are either working or looking for work within the last month of the last year. That's what it's intended to indicate and it does so with a good degree of accuracy.

You claim that the Misery Index isn't an economic indicator because deflation can give the overall number an incorrect meaning...but have no problem with unemployment being considered an economic indicator even though things like full time workers being replaced with part timers or discouraged unemployed simply giving up and falling out of the count altogether can give the unemployment number an incorrect total.

Again, you are making shit up to fit your argument. The unemployment rate produces the results it is intended to produce. Unlike the misery index which is comprised of an indicator which can produce a negative value, completely undermining the intent of the index. The misery index is supposed to grow higher as the economy grows worse; but in extremely difficult times, deflation actually produces a false misery index. Whereas the unemployment rate produces the numbers it's designed to produce.

 

[katsteve2012]

And yet you can't explain what makes them stupid.

1. Let me try. Tax cuts. Liberals think all money you earn belongs to the government . Letting you keep YOUR OWN MONEY is wrong. The answer to balancing the budget is DON'T SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN. If you take in less CUT SPENDING. The money left in the hands of the consumer will be spent on things that will actually help the economy and create jobs. Liberals tend to think jobs is a dirty word and would rather see that money go to unemployment.
2. Socialised medicine, letting the government deside what size drink you can have, government spying on all phone calls, emails, recording lisence plates, trying to disarm everyone. Sounds like Communist to me.
3. Nobody is ever too wealthy. Ambition, drive and creativity will make you wealthy if you are willing to put in the time and work to earn then invest instead of spending then borrowing. A lesson our Congressmen could stand to learn.

2. False. Medicine is not socialized. Look at countries like Canada to see what socialized medicine actually looks like.
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Or Costa Rica. If I'm not mistaken, the same Costa Rica that Rush Limbaugh stated he would move to when the healthcare act went into effect.

 

[Faun]

1. Let me try. Tax cuts. Liberals think all money you earn belongs to the government . Letting you keep YOUR OWN MONEY is wrong. The answer to balancing the budget is DON'T SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN. If you take in less CUT SPENDING. The money left in the hands of the consumer will be spent on things that will actually help the economy and create jobs. Liberals tend to think jobs is a dirty word and would rather see that money go to unemployment.
2. Socialised medicine, letting the government deside what size drink you can have, government spying on all phone calls, emails, recording lisence plates, trying to disarm everyone. Sounds like Communist to me.
3. Nobody is ever too wealthy. Ambition, drive and creativity will make you wealthy if you are willing to put in the time and work to earn then invest instead of spending then borrowing. A lesson our Congressmen could stand to learn.

2. False. Medicine is not socialized. Look at countries like Canada to see what socialized medicine actually looks like.
?

Or Costa Rica. If I'm not mistaken, the same Costa Rica that Rush Limbaugh stated he would move to when the healthcare act went into effect.

Maybe he thinks children and viagra are cheap enough there that he's willing to put up with socialized healthcare?

 

[bedowin62]

2. False. Medicine is not socialized. Look at countries like Canada to see what socialized medicine actually looks like.
?

Or Costa Rica. If I'm not mistaken, the same Costa Rica that Rush Limbaugh stated he would move to when the healthcare act went into effect.

Maybe he thinks children and viagra are cheap enough there that he's willing to put up with socialized healthcare?

Yawn

is there a left-wing nutjob capable of making an argument that isnt stupid?

 

[bedowin62]

funny the way our left-wing morons assume they can be or do as other Socialists do.

i wonder if they know England has loser-pays tort law?
that is a huge incentive to keep costs down.
who opposes tort reform here? Democrats do; and fiercely.

oh and the US has MUCH better outcomes for cancer survival

 

[bedowin62]

obama's unemployment number is GARBAGE. Faun is an idiot

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Great. Yet another rightard who thinks bluffing is an adequate aversion to avoid answering questions which blow away their position.

Rightard, like the others, you actually prove my point when you demonstrate you can't answer that question.

April, 1997, during a great economy, the misery index equals 7.4. July, 2009, during a horrible economy, the misery index equals 7.4. So? What does a misery index of 7.4 indicate?

... btw, you never responded in regard to my post on why the idiotic claim that the unemployment rate is 32.7% was so completely rightarded. You asked me a question about it and I answered. You have no comments?

I have already explained how the economy is made up of more than just ONE statistical figure, you have to look at several factors such as the misery index, the U-6, in CONJUNCTION with the unemployment number, to get an overall view of how the nation is doing. It's no surprise that you are incapable of giving a break down discription of what each indicator means in demonstrating that you have any knowledge of being capable of interpretating the economy correctly. You can't just give a misery index without including any other piece of information together to formulate an overall economic picture, any "competent" person having a basic discussion on the economy knows this. My god you are hopeless! Do us all a favor and pick a different topic, if you don't have a clue as to what each indicator represents, and how it's used to detail in what way it can have an effect with a particular group of people.

The very fact that you are only focusing on the misery index alone, and providing no other piece of information.... nothing else, in your question PROVES you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

Your bullshit remains bullshit. If the [U3] unemployment rate is in double digits, no other indicator is necessary to know the economy sucks. If GDP is negative for 2 or more consecutive quarters, no other indicator is necessary to know the economy sucks. If deflation is high, no other indicator is necessary to know the economy sucks. That you need those valuable economic indicators to determine if the misery index is accurate or not, makes my point. The misery index is not reliable and an indicator that is not reliable is not an indicator.

It's easy to call it bullshit when you are incapable of giving an explanation of HOW each indicator impacts the economy. You can not explain to me how the misery index is used, or exactly what it means to those who are unemployed. Just as you have proven in so many of your posts. if the unemployment rate stands near 6%, it doesn't necessarily mean the economy is beginning to fully recover, unless you look at the other indicators like U-6 to help determine why that is. Do us all a favor an educate yourself on all these different aspects of the economy and how it impacts consumer spending, the unemployed, etc... before you embarrass yourself any further.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

obama's unemployment number is GARBAGE. Faun is an idiot

Especially when Faun can't look at the misery index and U-6 and tell us what that means for consumer spending, and what action needs to be taken to ensure consumer confidence. Faun probably looks at Obama's low unemployment rate and job numbers and thinks in his own mind that the economy HAS to be in recovering. He just can't give an explanation behind the figures to prove that.

The unemployment number has dropped the economy simply HAS to be getting better Some people will never learn.

 

[Oldstyle]

Of course I know that -- that's what I said.

So explain to me why the unemployment number is anymore reliable than Misery Index when you can have a full time employee have their hours cut back to the point where they are part time...and then another part time employee is hired to cover the hours that were taken away from the formally full time employee? Under our current system those two part time employees, who when combined are working the same number of hours as the full time worker used to work...now count as two employed people in the unemployment number.

You're surprised that two people working are counted as two people working?

Or explain how a discouraged unemployed person can simply give up looking for work and no longer be counted as "unemployed" even though they don't have a job and would like to work?

You are trying [and failing] to redefine what the unemployment rate indicates. The U3 rate indicates people who are either working or looking for work within the last month of the last year. That's what it's intended to indicate and it does so with a good degree of accuracy.

You claim that the Misery Index isn't an economic indicator because deflation can give the overall number an incorrect meaning...but have no problem with unemployment being considered an economic indicator even though things like full time workers being replaced with part timers or discouraged unemployed simply giving up and falling out of the count altogether can give the unemployment number an incorrect total.

Again, you are making shit up to fit your argument. The unemployment rate produces the results it is intended to produce. Unlike the misery index which is comprised of an indicator which can produce a negative value, completely undermining the intent of the index. The misery index is supposed to grow higher as the economy grows worse; but in extremely difficult times, deflation actually produces a false misery index. Whereas the unemployment rate produces the numbers it's designed to produce.

What does that drivel mean, Faun? The unemployment rate produces the numbers it's designed to produce? I provided two examples of why the unemployment number can be unrealistic and your response is that it produces what it's "designed" to produce? Once again, Sparky...why is the unemployment number anymore valid than the Misery Index, given the examples that I've cited?

Try to come up with something that isn't laughable this time...your nonsense is getting tired...