30 foot sections of wall going up in San Diego. I was wrong.

[Camp]

I would assume you are unaware that some bills cannot pass unless they have 60 Senate votes which we haven't had in a long time. Then we have to consider the backstabbers like McCain.

So don't tell me Republicans had total control over the federal government because that would be a lie.

No party has had control of the White House and congress with a super majority in 50 years so your argument is not relevant. Some of the most significant legislation has passed without control of government and a super majority. Of course those were the day when the two sides formed coalitions to pass legislation and there was no guarantee that members would vote the party line.

John McCain was not the only the maverick whose has refused to follow his party blindly. There have been many on both sides over the years. Without them, congress just becomes a rubber stamp for the leaders in each house. They are the last vestige of independent thinking and bipartisanship.

Obama had 60 votes to pass the ACA for a few weeks if memory serves. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right about the rest though...

Obama paid a huge sum of money to several senators in order to pass that boondoggle. Without those bribes his legislation was doa

That is how governing has worked since we founded the nation. You give this; you get that. Instead of negotiating, you have a guy declaring a national emergency where there clearly isn't any and looting the treasury.

When people of both parties over a decade or so spout there is a problem, there is a problem. Then they do nothing about it. Just do not give any illegal any thing that the taxpayers are on the hook for. Negotiating with progressive socialists got us to the point where you will legalize pedophile and beastiaity was of living in the future.

Your President plays a big part in the problem. He has a long documented his history of imporring illegal immigrants to work at his businesses. In addition, he currently has a facilitator of child molestation in his cabinet according to his own Dept. of Justice.

 

[candycorn]

So by "not caring" you're okay with democrats and liberals lying then right?

In most situations no. Republicans are just as bad.
But in this particular instance yes.

Ahh...okay.

I give you credit for admitting your blob is a liar. Most of your stripe can't bring themselves to admit even that.

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

In most situations no. Republicans are just as bad.
But in this particular instance yes.

Ahh...okay.

I give you credit for admitting your blob is a liar. Most of your stripe can't bring themselves to admit even that.

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

 

[candycorn]

Ahh...okay.

I give you credit for admitting your blob is a liar. Most of your stripe can't bring themselves to admit even that.

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

The only one failing here is you.

You wanted proof of its effect and once you got it you turn to asinine insults based on faulty logic because you can't dispute the facts.

 

[candycorn]

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

The only one failing here is you.

You wanted proof of its effect and once you got it you turn to asinine insults based on faulty logic because you can't dispute the facts.

Yeah...you offered no proof.

 

[dblack]

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

We run into trouble like this whenever we ask government to protect us from ourselves. It's a lot like the "war" on drugs. We are conflicted - we want drugs, but we don't. So we pass a law thinking that will resolve the conflict. But of course it doesn't. I just creates a new class of crime and new criminals.

Same thing with immigration. We want cheap labor, but we don't. We pass laws to resolve the conflict, but the laws don't work. They just create new crimes and new criminals.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He had both houses of Congress up until about 3 months ago. Where was the massive push to build the wall then? Where was the emergency declaration? Where was the "art of the deal"? Blaming the opposition party is fashionable. But if Trump can't get it done...isn't it time to hire someone who can? LOL

I would assume you are unaware that some bills cannot pass unless they have 60 Senate votes which we haven't had in a long time. Then we have to consider the backstabbers like McCain.

So don't tell me Republicans had total control over the federal government because that would be a lie.

No party has had control of the White House and congress with a super majority in 50 years so your argument is not relevant. Some of the most significant legislation has passed without control of government and a super majority. Of course those were the day when the two sides formed coalitions to pass legislation and there was no guarantee that members would vote the party line.

John McCain was not the only the maverick whose has refused to follow his party blindly. There have been many on both sides over the years. Without them, congress just becomes a rubber stamp for the leaders in each house. They are the last vestige of independent thinking and bipartisanship.

Obama had 60 votes to pass the ACA for a few weeks if memory serves. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right about the rest though...

Obama paid a huge sum of money to several senators in order to pass that boondoggle. Without those bribes his legislation was doa

That is how governing has worked since we founded the nation. You give this; you get that. Instead of negotiating, you have a guy declaring a national emergency where there clearly isn't any and looting the treasury.

How does one negotiate with people that refuse to negotiate?

 

[buckeye45_73]

In most situations no. Republicans are just as bad.
But in this particular instance yes.

Ahh...okay.

I give you credit for admitting your blob is a liar. Most of your stripe can't bring themselves to admit even that.

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Says the person whose side whines non stop about the min wage.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I would assume you are unaware that some bills cannot pass unless they have 60 Senate votes which we haven't had in a long time. Then we have to consider the backstabbers like McCain.

So don't tell me Republicans had total control over the federal government because that would be a lie.

No party has had control of the White House and congress with a super majority in 50 years so your argument is not relevant. Some of the most significant legislation has passed without control of government and a super majority. Of course those were the day when the two sides formed coalitions to pass legislation and there was no guarantee that members would vote the party line.

John McCain was not the only the maverick whose has refused to follow his party blindly. There have been many on both sides over the years. Without them, congress just becomes a rubber stamp for the leaders in each house. They are the last vestige of independent thinking and bipartisanship.

Obama had 60 votes to pass the ACA for a few weeks if memory serves. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right about the rest though...

Obama paid a huge sum of money to several senators in order to pass that boondoggle. Without those bribes his legislation was doa

That is how governing has worked since we founded the nation. You give this; you get that. Instead of negotiating, you have a guy declaring a national emergency where there clearly isn't any and looting the treasury.

How does one negotiate with people that refuse to negotiate?

Dont ask her for logic, you'll be seriously disappointed

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

We run into trouble like this whenever we ask government to protect us from ourselves. It's a lot like the "war" on drugs. We are conflicted - we want drugs, but we don't. So we pass a law thinking that will resolve the conflict. But of course it doesn't. I just creates a new class of crime and new criminals.

Same thing with immigration. We want cheap labor, but we don't. We pass laws to resolve the conflict, but the laws don't work. They just create new crimes and new criminals.

I have a solution that everyone can support. We start a factory that pays no taxes (the Reps would go for that), hires X number of Illegals (the Reps would go for that) that makes 31 foot ladders (the Dems would go for that) made out of Hemp (the Dems would go for that) and export them to Mexico (everyone would go for that). This is a win, win business deal.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Okay...it's been over 2 years; how much have we gotten from the Mexican government so far?

How much cooperation have we gotten from the Democrats the last two years?

He had both houses of Congress up until about 3 months ago. Where was the massive push to build the wall then? Where was the emergency declaration? Where was the "art of the deal"? Blaming the opposition party is fashionable. But if Trump can't get it done...isn't it time to hire someone who can? LOL

I would assume you are unaware that some bills cannot pass unless they have 60 Senate votes which we haven't had in a long time. Then we have to consider the backstabbers like McCain.

So don't tell me Republicans had total control over the federal government because that would be a lie.

No party has had control of the White House and congress with a super majority in 50 years so your argument is not relevant. Some of the most significant legislation has passed without control of government and a super majority. Of course those were the day when the two sides formed coalitions to pass legislation and there was no guarantee that members would vote the party line.

John McCain was not the only the maverick whose has refused to follow his party blindly. There have been many on both sides over the years. Without them, congress just becomes a rubber stamp for the leaders in each house. They are the last vestige of independent thinking and bipartisanship.

I am quite aware McCain was not the only one that gets in the way. We have the ugly sisters as well. Both sides? I don't remember many Democrat Senators giving in to the Republicans on any major legislation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They had the votes to change Senate rules...didn't they? Why didn't they if this is so important?

And how do changing the rules work out for the party that changed them when they lose leadership? That's why McConnell didn't consider it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You voted for a guy that said if we like our doctor, we can keep our doctor.
You voted for a guy that said if we like our healthcare facility, we can keep our healthcare facility.
You voted for a guy that said all Americans will have access to affordable coverage.
You voted for a guy that said our healthcare premiums would drop as much as $2,500 per family.
You voted for a guy that said nobody making less than 250K a year will see a tax increase of any kind.

You voted for a guy that wasted over a trillion dollars telling these lies, and now you're concerned about Mexico coming up with 7 billion dollars for a wall; the amount we spend on food stamps in just one month????

And you voted for a Socialist:

If that's what you believe, fine. But my choices were a Socialist and a Communist, so I made the right choice. How about you?

Okay...which one was Trump? Is he a Socialist or a Communist?

Do some research. What candidate did the US Communist Party endorse?

Hmmm....so that means you either voted for a Communist or a Socialist. Why do you hate Democracy?

HTF do you call somebody a socialist who preaches against it and recently said the United States of American will never be a Socialist nation?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You voted for a guy that said if we like our doctor, we can keep our doctor.
You voted for a guy that said if we like our healthcare facility, we can keep our healthcare facility.
You voted for a guy that said all Americans will have access to affordable coverage.
You voted for a guy that said our healthcare premiums would drop as much as $2,500 per family.
You voted for a guy that said nobody making less than 250K a year will see a tax increase of any kind.

You voted for a guy that wasted over a trillion dollars telling these lies, and now you're concerned about Mexico coming up with 7 billion dollars for a wall; the amount we spend on food stamps in just one month????

And you voted for a Socialist:

If that's what you believe, fine. But my choices were a Socialist and a Communist, so I made the right choice. How about you?

Okay...which one was Trump? Is he a Socialist or a Communist?

Do some research. What candidate did the US Communist Party endorse?

The Communist Party does not endorse candidates from other parties. The last Communist Party candidate was Gus Hall in 1984.
Communist Party USA - Wikipedia

So who were the Communists praising so highly? From the mouth of babes:

Hillary´s hour

You don't have to be running for the party to have them endorse you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

We run into trouble like this whenever we ask government to protect us from ourselves. It's a lot like the "war" on drugs. We are conflicted - we want drugs, but we don't. So we pass a law thinking that will resolve the conflict. But of course it doesn't. I just creates a new class of crime and new criminals.

Same thing with immigration. We want cheap labor, but we don't. We pass laws to resolve the conflict, but the laws don't work. They just create new crimes and new criminals.

I have a solution that everyone can support. We start a factory that pays no taxes (the Reps would go for that), hires X number of Illegals (the Reps would go for that) that makes 31 foot ladders (the Dems would go for that) made out of Hemp (the Dems would go for that) and export them to Mexico (everyone would go for that). This is a win, win business deal.

The solution to the problem would be to make being here illegally a felony that carries a minimum 5 year prison sentence for the first offense. Then we wouldn't' need any walls, no e-verify, no additional border patrols, no worry about Visa overstays. It would work on every corner of our illegal problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No party has had control of the White House and congress with a super majority in 50 years so your argument is not relevant. Some of the most significant legislation has passed without control of government and a super majority. Of course those were the day when the two sides formed coalitions to pass legislation and there was no guarantee that members would vote the party line.

John McCain was not the only the maverick whose has refused to follow his party blindly. There have been many on both sides over the years. Without them, congress just becomes a rubber stamp for the leaders in each house. They are the last vestige of independent thinking and bipartisanship.

Obama had 60 votes to pass the ACA for a few weeks if memory serves. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right about the rest though...

Obama paid a huge sum of money to several senators in order to pass that boondoggle. Without those bribes his legislation was doa

That is how governing has worked since we founded the nation. You give this; you get that. Instead of negotiating, you have a guy declaring a national emergency where there clearly isn't any and looting the treasury.

How does one negotiate with people that refuse to negotiate?

Dont ask her for logic, you'll be seriously disappointed

They are told what their talking points are by MSM and their leaders, but not why they should be using them. That's why they keep bringing up who is paying for the wall, because they can't argue it's effectiveness.

 

[candycorn]

I would assume you are unaware that some bills cannot pass unless they have 60 Senate votes which we haven't had in a long time. Then we have to consider the backstabbers like McCain.

So don't tell me Republicans had total control over the federal government because that would be a lie.

No party has had control of the White House and congress with a super majority in 50 years so your argument is not relevant. Some of the most significant legislation has passed without control of government and a super majority. Of course those were the day when the two sides formed coalitions to pass legislation and there was no guarantee that members would vote the party line.

John McCain was not the only the maverick whose has refused to follow his party blindly. There have been many on both sides over the years. Without them, congress just becomes a rubber stamp for the leaders in each house. They are the last vestige of independent thinking and bipartisanship.

Obama had 60 votes to pass the ACA for a few weeks if memory serves. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right about the rest though...

Obama paid a huge sum of money to several senators in order to pass that boondoggle. Without those bribes his legislation was doa

That is how governing has worked since we founded the nation. You give this; you get that. Instead of negotiating, you have a guy declaring a national emergency where there clearly isn't any and looting the treasury.

How does one negotiate with people that refuse to negotiate?

Perhaps you can start by not ambushing them during a photo op as your blob did. And did it to the two most powerful Democrats in the fucking world!!! That would be a good idea. Not calling Senators names in your twitter tantrums….

And of course you have to be trustworthy to have any credibility. Trump has none since he’s a known liar.

As for the lawmakers you haven’t alienated...

Biden did a lot of the negotiating with the Republicans on several issues instead of Obama—he had relationships.

A lot of the government is built on that. Calling people names like you’re a 3rd grader might satisfy idiots like yourself but it doesn’t gain you any traction where it counts.

 

[candycorn]

Ahh...okay.

I give you credit for admitting your blob is a liar. Most of your stripe can't bring themselves to admit even that.

They all lie. The only reason one lie is worse than any other is if it personally effects peoples lives.
The only people affected by a wall or lies about its funding on the southern border are people wishing to enter illegally and Democrats "feelings". Who in their right mind would care in the slightest about either of those?

Contrast that to lies like If you like your insurance you can keep it. Or your premiums will go down by 2500.00.

Those lies actually impacted peoples (AMERICANS) lives

You don’t think higher food prices and labor shortages are going to impact people’s lives?

Do you honestly believe your life will be one degree better next week or next month if there were a wall built tomorrow? If so...in what way?

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Says the person whose side whines non stop about the min wage.

Ridiculous statement.

As far as the minimum wage goes...
It should be raised. It has been raised in several states (red and blue alike). No calamity followed.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, not tomorrow or the next day obviously.
I have lost many job bids to contractors who hire from a pool of EASILY obtainable illegal labor.

A REAL wall would easily restrict that labor pool eventually to the point bad contractors like that would be forced to hire legal help thus restricting their ability to lowball jobs because of substandard wage payments

Sounds like you’re blaming someone else for your misery.

Sounds like you can't refute my statement.


Fail

No need to, it’s your opinion on why you failed.

We run into trouble like this whenever we ask government to protect us from ourselves. It's a lot like the "war" on drugs. We are conflicted - we want drugs, but we don't. So we pass a law thinking that will resolve the conflict. But of course it doesn't. I just creates a new class of crime and new criminals.

Same thing with immigration. We want cheap labor, but we don't. We pass laws to resolve the conflict, but the laws don't work. They just create new crimes and new criminals.

I have a solution that everyone can support. We start a factory that pays no taxes (the Reps would go for that), hires X number of Illegals (the Reps would go for that) that makes 31 foot ladders (the Dems would go for that) made out of Hemp (the Dems would go for that) and export them to Mexico (everyone would go for that). This is a win, win business deal.

Wait a second.

After I retire…I plan on opening a thermite stand over in Mexico. Sell your fucking ladders elsewhere!!!! LOL