skookerasbil
Platinum Member
You denier cultists are so damned crazy!!! Seriously, walleyed, if you're not institutionalized or in therapy, you definitely should be, 'cause you are obviously living in a bizarre and very delusional fantasy world that has no connection to reality.You propagandists are so damned funny!Abraham was quite right. Climate scientists have not claimed that the world wouldn't ever experience cold weather again. The walleyedretard responds by pointing out that one lone scientist warned 13 years ago that snowfall would become rare in England - (David Viner and his (now famous) "children won't know what snow is" comment). What's obvious to everybody but the brainwashed denier cult retards is the fact that if Dr. Viner is "now famous" for that remark, then it must have been an unusual or extreme prediction. If all the other climate scientists had ever said anything like that then Dr. Viner's comment wouldn't be "famous" or unusual. And of course, ol' walleyed has to ignore the fact that Dr. Viner was only talking about Britain and also ignore the context for that statement and the rest of what Dr. Viner said in that article walleyed cited.
Here's another quote from Dr. Viner from walleyed's article:
"Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared."
Now, let's look at the context for Dr. Viner's remark 13 years ago in 2000. The 1970s, 80s and 90s were a time of rapid surface temperature warming. Snowfall had declined quite a bit in Britain. As the article walleyed cited said:
"Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives. Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries. The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall in much of lowland Britain, and December brought only moderate snowfall in the South-east. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years: in the south of England, for instance, from 1970 to 1995 snow and sleet fell for an average of 3.7 days, while from 1988 to 1995 the average was 0.7 days. London's last substantial snowfall was in February 1991."
So, given the trends they were witnessing at the time, Dr. Viner's prediction seemed logical. At that time climate scientists hadn't yet seen the changes in the path of the jet stream and some other effects produced by the rapidly shrinking Arctic ice. Because deniers are so ignorant about science, they ignore the fact that our scientific understanding of the world develops and progresses as new evidence and phenomena arise and are studied. It is only in the last 13 years that scientists have observed that the continuing rapid Arctic ice loss was changing the behavior of the jet stream, causing it to push Arctic air masses further south, and sometimes slowing it down, causing storms to linger in one area longer. Dr. Viner's prediction seems off base and premature now after some years of heavy winter snowstorms in England, Europe and parts of North America but, at the time in 2000, it was not unreasonable. Continued global warming will eventually cause much less snow in many places, but for now, other factors are overriding that trend.
Riiiiight, walleyed, ignore the historical context for Dr. Viner's prediction, ignore the fact that he was just talking about winter snow in Britain, and be sure to ignore what else he said in the article you cited - "Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner". You denier cult retards are really good at ignoring all of the facts that don't support your cultic myths.
No, here's the reality, Mr. Retardo. NOBODY said that "there has been" any "ARCTIC ICE FREE TIME". The scientific reports I am citing are talking about the massive loss of ice cover in the Arctic since the 1950s but none of them ever said anything about the Arctic already being "ICE FREE", numbnuts.
And there you are in your own private fantasy world, stewing in your own juices until your tushy turns mushy.
In the real world, Arctic sea ice extent is less that a third of what it was in the 1950s (about 4.25 million square miles) and the volume of the ice has declined even more.
Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2013 shows a decline of 13.7% per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
(source - NSIDC)
Monthly averaged ice volume for September 2013 was 5,000 km3. This value is 56% lower than the mean over this period, 70% lower than the maximum in 1979, and 0.6 standard deviations below the 1979-2013 trend. September ice volume was about 1600 km3 larger than in September of 2012 and within 500 km3 of the 2010 September ice volume. While ice volume at the maximum during April was on par with the previous two years, reduction in ice volume during the summer months was less than in previous years. September ice volume showed the first increase since 2008 but is still below the long-term trend line.
(source - Polar Science Center - University of Washington)
Well, the Earth has been generally warming and the Arctic ice cover has been decreasing, so.....I guess we were right.
On the other hand, you have no idea what you're talking about. Arctic ice extent has been reaching record lows every few years and in between the ice comes back slightly from the last low. There were record lows in 2005, 2007 and 2012. Last year, 2012, the ice extent had declined from about 4.25 million square miles in the 1950s to a record low of only 1.32 million square miles. This year it rebounded slightly from the new record low but it is still only back up to the extent it had in 2008. Volume is still steeply declining.
Actually it looks like you're a confused delusional retard....same as always.
The changes in ice extent from year to year are measured when the ice is at its lowest extent, which happens in September. I'm not surprised that you are too ignorant about all this to know that. Ice extent grows every winter but these winter extents have almost nothing to do with the long term ice loss trend that is revealed when the ice is at its minimum. Here's what the National Snow and Ice Data Center had to say this last October.Here's the current Arctic ice levels. 2% below the 1981-2010 mean and we aren't even in winter yet.
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis
NSIDC
October 3, 2013
September average sea ice extent for 2013 was the sixth lowest in the satellite record. The 2012 September extent was 32% lower than this year’s extent, while the 1981 to 2010 average was 22% higher than this year’s extent. Through 2013, the September linear rate of decline is 13.7% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.
That would be an epic fail for you blunder....epic.
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Actually, walleyed, this whole thread is another one of your "epic fails", but, as always, you're way too retarded and delusional to realize that fact.
Yo nobody cares except the climate OCD's!!!
New Stanford Poll Finds Waning Concern About Man-Made Global Warming - Hit & Run : Reason.com
And global warming is at the BOTTOM of Americans environmental concerns >>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/153653/Americans-Worries-Global-Warming-Slightly.aspx
Oh.....but we are the denier cultist retards!!!
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