400 Americans

[orogenicman]

You said "Most Wal-Mart employees don't make as much as you think they should because the work they do does not warrant it." I addressed most of that in several posts.

No, you described the effects of inflation, the moving of high-paying jobs overseas...
You haven't said anything with regard to the fact that the work they do does not warrant more pay -- that is, a minimum wage job pays minimum wage because the work done doesn't wararnt more.

People earn what they job they have is worth paying.
Want more pay? Develop skills that an employer will pay you more to use.
Its up to YOU to get a better job; it's not the government's job to force companies to subsidize your lack of motivation, education, training or ability

It's an artificial standard set up to justify paying slave wages. It's bullshit. If you are an employer paying minimum wage to the bulk of your work force, and have a 15% profit margin, then it is clear that those employees have value in the company. The company, in fact, would not exist without them. The fact that so many high paying jobs have been lost means that many people are now relying utterly on these lower paying jobs, a huge proportion of the work force, in fact. And so, what has happened is that the corporations have pulled the rug from underneath the middle class in this country. Ordinary people are working hard than ever for less pay, and factoring in inflation, it means they are riding a sinking boat. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

Know any company paying minimum wage to the 'bulk of its work force'?

Me either.

Yes I do. I've already said. Keep up.

 

[orogenicman]

How many minorities do you see in this picture:

Meaningless.

Give us a roster of each convention with the associated ethnicity.

Otherwise....shove it.

The picture speaks for itself. And I don't need a picture or a roster. It isn't like it is some big secret that the Republicans have a huge problem with minorities. We all know it is true. It's just that you folks skirt around the issue and accuse us of race baiting. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

And cute phrases are nothing more than an admission of having no argument.

You can't argue with facts, dude. That is why they are called facts.

Yeha. It's just a fact that Republicans are all angry white rich racists.

I don't know if they are ALL rich (obviously even a few poor white slobs have drank the Kool Aid).

 

[Skull Pilot]

Staying sober? Doing what you're told?

Shit any 5 year old can do that

How about getting out of bed? How much are you going to pay a guy for that?

Not any 5 yr old can do that.
Hell, lots of 20 something year olds can't do that. Dont believe me?

And it's not my responsibility to make them do it is it?

Sorry but you
re barking up the wrong tree if you're looking for sympathy from me for people who have so little drive and common sense as not to know you have to get to work on time and not be drunk.

We usually see eye to eye. I dont know why this is so hard for you though.
What I outlined are basic job skills Very basic. But lots of people just don't have them. Especially starting off. That's why they get paid min wage.

Sorry but waking up in the morning is not a job skill, neither is showing up on time and sober.

The only "skill" needed to show up on time is the ability to read a clock and most people learn that in grade school.

This is just like the obesity thread. Just as people know that eating better and exercising will result in weight loss they all know that showing up to work late and drunk will get them fired.

That's stunningly incorrect.
You have to budget time. You have to dress appropriately. I realize this seems pretty elemental. And it is. But it is surprising how many people actually cannot do this.
Have you ever hired for an entry level position?

Yes and if people couldn't show up on time and sober they didn't get the job.

And it's not that people can't it's that they won't. Big difference in my book.

I have yet to meet anyone who was completely incapable of getting somewhere on time. If Joe Blow can make it to a movie on time then he can get to work on time.

 

[Spare_change]

Until recently Americans have enjoyed an increasingly higher standard of living. That's dropped off and you liberal socialist idiots think capitalism is at fault. Or Reagan. Or Bush, or anything but an honest assessment of the situation. Hurting business doesn't help economies, it illogical. Economies don't sprout up through government soil, it comes from productivity.

Big businesses do better today because they have merged and gone global, averaging in those numbers with worker salaries misses the point, probably on purpose. Capitalism is what made this country great and for some bizarre reasons liberals think destroying it will improve the economy.

No, not the average liberal, they are too dim witted to understand, they simply repeat what they see from leftist sources, but those pulling the strings know exactly what they are doing and useful idiots have never been more receptive.

You said it yourself but are apparently too stupid to realize it. Productivity has increased something like 3 fold since the 70's yet the average wage has stagnated. Not the top wage though, that's skyrocketed. Could that have something to do with the top wage earners diverting that productivity increase into their own hands? I'm sure that point will be lost on you as well.

Ok - so what?

Can you tell me of an employer who doesn't pay a 'living wage', even using your definition?

Sure, McDonalds, Burger King, Wendys, Walmart, and hundreds of others.

Before you get all cranked up about McDonalds or Walmart, we need to agree that they, in fact, pay a 'living wage'. The average McDonald worker (excluding teenagers working part-time) make $10.88 per hour. For Walmart, it's $11.81 per hour. For the McDonalds' worker, that's about $22K/year - and for Walmart, that's an annual average salary of about $24K per year.

All at or below the poverty line.

Both of those meet the governmental definition of living wage.

No sir, they do not.

DEFINITION of 'Living Wage'
A theoretical wage level that allows the earner to afford adequate shelter, food and the other necessities of life. The living wage should be substantial enough to ensure that no more than 30% of it needs to be spent on housing. The goal of the living wage is to allow employees to earn enough income for a satisfactory standard of living.
Living Wage Definition Investopedia


$22K x .3 = 6,600/12 = $550/month
$24K x .3 = 7200/12 = $600/month

Any other questions?

The sad truth is that most who live below the poverty line do so because of their own decisions.

That's a load of crap, and no doubt posted by someone who knows nothing of poverty or its causes. But hey, you greedy conservatives have always blamed the poor for their plight. Hopefully you will openly do so during the next election cycle.

Let me assure you - I KNOW poverty. I came from poverty. I WAS poverty. I AM the American success story. I busted my ass in order to go from a house that didn't have running water until I was 14 to where I am now (three houses). You can't tell me it can't be done, because I am the living proof of your lie.

I know it doesn't feed your innate sense of elitism, but we get exactly what we deserve in this life - whether we want it or not. I know you NEED to look down on people - you NEED to have somebody to feel sorry for - you NEED to have somebody you can care for. It feeds your ego --- I recognize that.

I didn't say it cannot be done. But each person's situation is different. The right wing elitist cry "what one man can do, another can do" is based on ignorance of the human condition. Not everyone is capable of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps". Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. It is a simple fact. There is no mold you can pour people into and have them all come out the same. It is a fantasy, a dangerous, costly one. And unnecessary.

Read what you wrote again - can't you see the egotistical elitism oozing from it?

"What one man can do, another can do" is, in fact, true. I did nothing special - I am nobody special. If I can, the average person can - because I am average.

You've gone from accusing me of being rich kid who never knew poverty, to now holding me up as some extraordinary being who managed to escape poverty. Neither of those is true.

The AVERAGE person CAN do it - if he wants to - if he's willing to pay the price. I did it - because I was willing to pay the price. You make sure they aren't - the whole liberal fallacy is based on the "you are who you are - and you'll never be anything else" You give them excuses to fail - and then you reward them for failure. YOU are the problem - not them.

 

[orogenicman]

Have more wealth than half the population of the United States.


Hey Mr. Reagan, when exactly is this trickle down thing going to kick in?

Hey Mr. Bush, since the "job creators" still have the Tax Cut you gave them in 2002 and 2004, why aren't they, you know, creating more jobs?

Hey Mr. Lyndon Johnson, since your war on poverty was designed to rid us of hunger and alleviate suffering, when are those trillions spent in the last 50 years going to do the job? Why do we still have the same percentage in poverty today as we had before that money was spent to "defeat" it?

Where would all those people be today had that money not been spent? Would you have rather that it had been spent killing Arabs in Iraq, or feeding and housing our own people?

 

[Conservative65]

I didn't say it cannot be done. But each person's situation is different. The right wing elitist cry "what one man can do, another can do" is based on ignorance of the human condition. Not everyone is capable of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps". Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. It is a simple fact. There is no mold you can pour people into and have them all come out the same. It is a fantasy, a dangerous, costly one. And unnecessary.

Bzzzzt wrong. See? You don't even understand the right. We say it isn't up to government (or you) to decide who rises up. We know people are different, some are go getters, some, not so much. Taking money from the go getter and giving it to Mr. Notsomuch doesn't help the economy and when the economy suffers, Mr. Notsomuch suffers right along with it like most everyone else.

No the only manner in which the right thinks that people are different is in how many forks are used at the dinner table. Otherwise, you people wouldn't be having national conventions attended by only about 25 people who are not white. You people have skirted minorities for decades. You call Democrats elitist, when the fact of the matter is that the right in this country is the ultimate form of elitism. White, evangelical, sellfish, and stupid. We gave the money to your 'go getter", from the 1980s all the way until today. They kept it, invested it overseas, made a pretty penny, and left the rest of us sittting high and dry. Thanks Ronnie Raygun.

25 minorities? You better take your shoes off and count again. Minorities are people and should be treated as such, not underlings that need special assistance. Successful conservative minorities somehow manage without a special feeding table for them. We invite them to sit with us, libs place them at the kiddie table and brag to each other about their noble deed. And many are filthy rich, hate to break it to you.

Take my Senator Tim Scott. He's a black CONSERVATIVE Republican and didn't get elected because he was black.
What I find interesting is that he is only one of two blacks in the U.S. Senate, the first black from the South since 1881, and the first black elected to both the House and Senate. What I find sad is that the party that claims to be so much about diversity hasn’t elected more blacks or is it that they only want their votes not their participation.

 

[Spare_change]

Ok - so what?
DEFINITION of 'Living Wage'
A theoretical wage level that allows the earner to afford adequate shelter, food and the other necessities of life. The living wage should be substantial enough to ensure that no more than 30% of it needs to be spent on housing. The goal of the living wage is to allow employees to earn enough income for a satisfactory standard of living.
Living Wage Definition Investopedia


$22K x .3 = 6,600/12 = $550/month
$24K x .3 = 7200/12 = $600/month

Any other questions?

The sad truth is that most who live below the poverty line do so because of their own decisions.

That's a load of crap, and no doubt posted by someone who knows nothing of poverty or its causes. But hey, you greedy conservatives have always blamed the poor for their plight. Hopefully you will openly do so during the next election cycle.

Let me assure you - I KNOW poverty. I came from poverty. I WAS poverty. I AM the American success story. I busted my ass in order to go from a house that didn't have running water until I was 14 to where I am now (three houses). You can't tell me it can't be done, because I am the living proof of your lie.

I know it doesn't feed your innate sense of elitism, but we get exactly what we deserve in this life - whether we want it or not. I know you NEED to look down on people - you NEED to have somebody to feel sorry for - you NEED to have somebody you can care for. It feeds your ego --- I recognize that.

I didn't say it cannot be done. But each person's situation is different. The right wing elitist cry "what one man can do, another can do" is based on ignorance of the human condition. Not everyone is capable of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps". Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. It is a simple fact. There is no mold you can pour people into and have them all come out the same. It is a fantasy, a dangerous, costly one. And unnecessary.

So maybe you agree that some people are worth more than others.

Is an assembly line person more valuable than a PhD in physics? It all depends on who you ask. In many cases, that assembly line person makes more than the PhD does. I know several PhDs who work - on an assembly line and at other lower skilled job because there are no jobs available for him in his field.

... and whose fault is that? A PhD in French Art History is not a marketable skill.

The assembly line worker is replaceable - the satellite power distribution engineer, not so much. Who makes more? Who SHOULD make more?

 

[orogenicman]

Hey Mssrs. Clinton and Obama...

Your insipid post implies that these "400 Americans" have somehow stolen their wealth from half the population of the United States. Do you include Bill Gates in those 400? If so, please explain how his accumulation of wealth has deprived others of wealth. You may wait until Recess to respond.

That’s the mindset of the Liberals. They assume we operate under a zero sum game where one person gaining wealth means someone else had to lose for them to do it.

Are you saying that the filthy rich are all honest men and woman who have never lied or cheated their fellow humans and always stay within the bounds of ethical conduct? Ever? Really?

 

[Spare_change]

Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

Ah, I see. You were a stoner back in the day and miss those glory years.

The only glory years I can recall were the sixties when the economy was booming, we were putting men on the Moon thanks to a democratic president, and there were tons of high paying jobs. Nixon and Raygun made sure those days were over. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

That's quite a narrow view. We still had little in the way of competition, seeing as how Japan and Germany were still in rebuild mode. Now there are many more than those two competing and competing very well.

Oh really? Is that why China makes most products sold in this ocuntry? Because we had little competition? Give me a break.

You can buy a $11 shirt made in China, or a $59 shirt made in Oregon - which do you pick?

 

[orogenicman]

I didn't say it cannot be done. But each person's situation is different. The right wing elitist cry "what one man can do, another can do" is based on ignorance of the human condition. Not everyone is capable of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps". Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. It is a simple fact. There is no mold you can pour people into and have them all come out the same. It is a fantasy, a dangerous, costly one. And unnecessary.

Bzzzzt wrong. See? You don't even understand the right. We say it isn't up to government (or you) to decide who rises up. We know people are different, some are go getters, some, not so much. Taking money from the go getter and giving it to Mr. Notsomuch doesn't help the economy and when the economy suffers, Mr. Notsomuch suffers right along with it like most everyone else.

No the only manner in which the right thinks that people are different is in how many forks are used at the dinner table. Otherwise, you people wouldn't be having national conventions attended by only about 25 people who are not white. You people have skirted minorities for decades. You call Democrats elitist, when the fact of the matter is that the right in this country is the ultimate form of elitism. White, evangelical, sellfish, and stupid. We gave the money to your 'go getter", from the 1980s all the way until today. They kept it, invested it overseas, made a pretty penny, and left the rest of us sittting high and dry. Thanks Ronnie Raygun.

25 minorities? You better take your shoes off and count again. Minorities are people and should be treated as such, not underlings that need special assistance. Successful conservative minorities somehow manage without a special feeding table for them. We invite them to sit with us, libs place them at the kiddie table and brag to each other about their noble deed. And many are filthy rich, hate to break it to you.

Take my Senator Tim Scott. He's a black CONSERVATIVE Republican and didn't get elected because he was black.
What I find interesting is that he is only one of two blacks in the U.S. Senate, the first black from the South since 1881, and the first black elected to both the House and Senate. What I find sad is that the party that claims to be so much about diversity hasn’t elected more blacks or is it that they only want their votes not their participation.

Hmm. As I recall, our president is -erm - black. Next.

 

[orogenicman]

Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

Ah, I see. You were a stoner back in the day and miss those glory years.

The only glory years I can recall were the sixties when the economy was booming, we were putting men on the Moon thanks to a democratic president, and there were tons of high paying jobs. Nixon and Raygun made sure those days were over. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

That's quite a narrow view. We still had little in the way of competition, seeing as how Japan and Germany were still in rebuild mode. Now there are many more than those two competing and competing very well.

Oh really? Is that why China makes most products sold in this ocuntry? Because we had little competition? Give me a break.

You can buy a $11 shirt made in China, or a $59 shirt made in Oregon - which do you pick?

Why do you think that shirt from China only costs $11, despite the huge freight costs?

Their slave labor conditions are worse than ours.

 

[Spare_change]

We usually see eye to eye. I dont know why this is so hard for you though.
What I outlined are basic job skills Very basic. But lots of people just don't have them. Especially starting off. That's why they get paid min wage.

Sorry but waking up in the morning is not a job skill, neither is showing up on time and sober.

The only "skill" needed to show up on time is the ability to read a clock and most people learn that in grade school.

This is just like the obesity thread. Just as people know that eating better and exercising will result in weight loss they all know that showing up to work late and drunk will get them fired.

That's stunningly incorrect.
You have to budget time. You have to dress appropriately. I realize this seems pretty elemental. And it is. But it is surprising how many people actually cannot do this.
Have you ever hired for an entry level position?

So your plan is for politicians to pass laws that put themselves and the people buying them into an actual prison, not a white collar one. That's your plan. You didn't answer one question. What color is the sky in your world?

Yes I realize that in the corrupt political environment in which we find ourselves today, that's as likely to happen as to see pigs fly. It does take leadership, something we don't have. I said that that is what needs to happen. I didn't say it was going to be a reality anytime soon.

Well, we agree on that. Cutting taxes and spending is something that could be measured by an aware public. Accountability isn't. So just spending less would work if people got behind it.

I disagree. Cutting taxes doesn't actually solve much, particularly when the country and the world at large has so many pressing problems. Prioritizing to address those problems is a good first step. The most important step is jobs. Jobs, jobs jobs! And not just any jobs, but high paying jobs, in aerospace, high tech, etc.

Cutting tax rates will grow the economy, something it hasn't done for a while. And that will make whatever else we need to do more affordable. Though I'm not a neocon, so we probably disagree on how much we actually should be spending on in "the world at large." Most of our domestic problems would be solved by cutting taxes and spending right there.

Cutting taxes has NEVER grown the economy. At best, it is a temporary shot in the arm that benefits very few. What will grow the economy is to bring back our high tech jobs.

Ok --- you've talked the talk, now it's time to walk the walk.

You purport that all our high paying, high tech jobs have gone overseas. How do you propose to get them back? What concrete actions would you take to reverse the trend?

 

[Conservative65]

Have more wealth than half the population of the United States.


Hey Mr. Reagan, when exactly is this trickle down thing going to kick in?

Hey Mr. Bush, since the "job creators" still have the Tax Cut you gave them in 2002 and 2004, why aren't they, you know, creating more jobs?

Hey Mr. Lyndon Johnson, since your war on poverty was designed to rid us of hunger and alleviate suffering, when are those trillions spent in the last 50 years going to do the job? Why do we still have the same percentage in poverty today as we had before that money was spent to "defeat" it?

Where would all those people be today had that money not been spent? Would you have rather that it had been spent killing Arabs in Iraq, or feeding and housing our own people?

You absolutely missed it. Hazlnut blasted Reagan and Bush about trickledown and the tax cuts not doing what they say it was going to do. I was indicating that the same standard should be applied to other things. Seems it’s just another double standard by the left.
I’d rather the bleeding hearts who think one person deserves another person’s money and claim that they are so compassionate prove it by doing with their own money voluntarily what they want to force the rest of us to do.

 

[Spare_change]

You said "Most Wal-Mart employees don't make as much as you think they should because the work they do does not warrant it." I addressed most of that in several posts.

No, you described the effects of inflation, the moving of high-paying jobs overseas...
You haven't said anything with regard to the fact that the work they do does not warrant more pay -- that is, a minimum wage job pays minimum wage because the work done doesn't wararnt more.

People earn what they job they have is worth paying.
Want more pay? Develop skills that an employer will pay you more to use.
Its up to YOU to get a better job; it's not the government's job to force companies to subsidize your lack of motivation, education, training or ability

It's an artificial standard set up to justify paying slave wages. It's bullshit. If you are an employer paying minimum wage to the bulk of your work force, and have a 15% profit margin, then it is clear that those employees have value in the company. The company, in fact, would not exist without them. The fact that so many high paying jobs have been lost means that many people are now relying utterly on these lower paying jobs, a huge proportion of the work force, in fact. And so, what has happened is that the corporations have pulled the rug from underneath the middle class in this country. Ordinary people are working hard than ever for less pay, and factoring in inflation, it means they are riding a sinking boat. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

Know any company paying minimum wage to the 'bulk of its work force'?

Me either.

Yes I do. I've already said. Keep up.

No, actually, you haven't - you've launched ad hominem attacks, but you haven't produced any facts.

 

[Conservative65]

Ah, I see. You were a stoner back in the day and miss those glory years.

The only glory years I can recall were the sixties when the economy was booming, we were putting men on the Moon thanks to a democratic president, and there were tons of high paying jobs. Nixon and Raygun made sure those days were over. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

That's quite a narrow view. We still had little in the way of competition, seeing as how Japan and Germany were still in rebuild mode. Now there are many more than those two competing and competing very well.

Oh really? Is that why China makes most products sold in this ocuntry? Because we had little competition? Give me a break.

You can buy a $11 shirt made in China, or a $59 shirt made in Oregon - which do you pick?

Why do you think that shirt from China only costs $11, despite the huge freight costs?

Their slave labor conditions are worse than ours.

We don’t have slave conditions here. Someone with low level skills is getting an equivalent low level pay. If their pay is too low, perhaps they should improve their skills instead of demanding they be paid on existence rather than what they offer.

 

[orogenicman]

That's a load of crap, and no doubt posted by someone who knows nothing of poverty or its causes. But hey, you greedy conservatives have always blamed the poor for their plight. Hopefully you will openly do so during the next election cycle.

Let me assure you - I KNOW poverty. I came from poverty. I WAS poverty. I AM the American success story. I busted my ass in order to go from a house that didn't have running water until I was 14 to where I am now (three houses). You can't tell me it can't be done, because I am the living proof of your lie.

I know it doesn't feed your innate sense of elitism, but we get exactly what we deserve in this life - whether we want it or not. I know you NEED to look down on people - you NEED to have somebody to feel sorry for - you NEED to have somebody you can care for. It feeds your ego --- I recognize that.

I didn't say it cannot be done. But each person's situation is different. The right wing elitist cry "what one man can do, another can do" is based on ignorance of the human condition. Not everyone is capable of "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps". Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. It is a simple fact. There is no mold you can pour people into and have them all come out the same. It is a fantasy, a dangerous, costly one. And unnecessary.

So maybe you agree that some people are worth more than others.

Is an assembly line person more valuable than a PhD in physics? It all depends on who you ask. In many cases, that assembly line person makes more than the PhD does. I know several PhDs who work - on an assembly line and at other lower skilled job because there are no jobs available for him in his field.

... and whose fault is that? A PhD in French Art History is not a marketable skill.

You should check your logical fallacies at the door.

The assembly line worker is replaceable - the satellite power distribution engineer, not so much. Who makes more? Who SHOULD make more?

The assembly line worker is only replaceable because there are so many looking for jobs that they will take what they can get, even PhDs take them, and because the unions have been scuttled. Not for job security. They take them because there are few other choices.

 

[Spare_change]

Have more wealth than half the population of the United States.


Hey Mr. Reagan, when exactly is this trickle down thing going to kick in?

Hey Mr. Bush, since the "job creators" still have the Tax Cut you gave them in 2002 and 2004, why aren't they, you know, creating more jobs?

Hey Mr. Lyndon Johnson, since your war on poverty was designed to rid us of hunger and alleviate suffering, when are those trillions spent in the last 50 years going to do the job? Why do we still have the same percentage in poverty today as we had before that money was spent to "defeat" it?

Where would all those people be today had that money not been spent? Would you have rather that it had been spent killing Arabs in Iraq, or feeding and housing our own people?

Actually, I would have preferred the money be used to create a viable work force, an educated work force. Instead, it was used to buy votes ("those ni&&ers will vote Democrat for the next 200 years). We didn't help the poor - we created a permanent under-class, unarmed to compete in the world today, and unwilling to try to break the bonds that hold them down.

 

[orogenicman]

You said "Most Wal-Mart employees don't make as much as you think they should because the work they do does not warrant it." I addressed most of that in several posts.

No, you described the effects of inflation, the moving of high-paying jobs overseas...
You haven't said anything with regard to the fact that the work they do does not warrant more pay -- that is, a minimum wage job pays minimum wage because the work done doesn't wararnt more.

People earn what they job they have is worth paying.
Want more pay? Develop skills that an employer will pay you more to use.
Its up to YOU to get a better job; it's not the government's job to force companies to subsidize your lack of motivation, education, training or ability

It's an artificial standard set up to justify paying slave wages. It's bullshit. If you are an employer paying minimum wage to the bulk of your work force, and have a 15% profit margin, then it is clear that those employees have value in the company. The company, in fact, would not exist without them. The fact that so many high paying jobs have been lost means that many people are now relying utterly on these lower paying jobs, a huge proportion of the work force, in fact. And so, what has happened is that the corporations have pulled the rug from underneath the middle class in this country. Ordinary people are working hard than ever for less pay, and factoring in inflation, it means they are riding a sinking boat. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

Know any company paying minimum wage to the 'bulk of its work force'?

Me either.

Yes I do. I've already said. Keep up.

No, actually, you haven't - you've launched ad hominem attacks, but you haven't produced any facts.

Yes, I actually have. And excuse me but what is this forum but one giant ad hominem attack?

 

[Spare_change]

Ah, I see. You were a stoner back in the day and miss those glory years.

The only glory years I can recall were the sixties when the economy was booming, we were putting men on the Moon thanks to a democratic president, and there were tons of high paying jobs. Nixon and Raygun made sure those days were over. Thank you Ronnie Raygun.

That's quite a narrow view. We still had little in the way of competition, seeing as how Japan and Germany were still in rebuild mode. Now there are many more than those two competing and competing very well.

Oh really? Is that why China makes most products sold in this ocuntry? Because we had little competition? Give me a break.

You can buy a $11 shirt made in China, or a $59 shirt made in Oregon - which do you pick?

Why do you think that shirt from China only costs $11, despite the huge freight costs?

Their slave labor conditions are worse than ours.

I'm pretty sure you're trying to make a point - but you missed.

 

[The Rabbi]

The picture speaks for itself. And I don't need a picture or a roster. It isn't like it is some big secret that the Republicans have a huge problem with minorities. We all know it is true

Democrats buy the minority vote with promises of continued entitlement payments, so duh...
.

Nice try. Why is it that nearly every booming economy this country has seen in the last 80 years has been under Democratic rule?

Yeah, that's it. I remember the go-go Carter years. The Reagan Depression. The boom during Clinton's first administration and sky high unemployment during Bush's.

Notice I did say "nearly". And for the record, Clinton's first term was spent recovering from Bush Sr.'s recession, as Obama has spent his time recovering the country from baby Bush's recession and the intransigent Congress.

Recession ended March 1991.
Clinton took office January 1991.

Recession ended June 2009
Obama took office Jan 2009
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Can't argue with those facts!