51 dead in september. 55 so far this month. 8 of the 55 just today in one attack.....

[saveliberty]

I have to think three posts in a row is spam or really frustrated troll. Am I close?

 

[Oldandtired]

and It's time for the Bush defenders to bring up Clinton.....surprise! - not.

I am not a Bush defender. Far from it. I simply look at the truth. He was not the President I beleived he would be. I saw him as a conservative. He was not. But he was a President that stood by his convictions. Once a man is in office, I can ask for no more. I was disturbed by certain policies...but again, he never campaigned to the contrary.

Obama, on the other hand has yet to show me that he is a man of convictions. He promised no lobbyists...we have lobbysists...He promised a new washington...we have the same old washington...he promised transparency...sorry...no tramnsparency. He promised bipartisanship.....still waiting to see him show one iota of care for the rights suggestions.

He is not a man of convictions so he deserves my criticism.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) Alert!! lol! It's like that Eminem song says..."Cuz it feels so Empty without Me." The Bush Hater Loons just seem so lost and empty without their BOOOOOOOSH Boogeyman. I'm actually beginning to just feel sorry for them at this point. Yikes!

 

[Oldandtired]

Just because he was not charged does not mean he was not AWOL and unless you can come up with the records that are missing from my post above I will stand by my statement that Bush was AWOL.

If he were AWOL, he would have been borught up on charges.

Know your US military law asshole before you spew crap you find on the daily KOS.

and you are probably a Kerry swiftboater huh?

Now there is a response one would never see in a debate...unless the debater has nothing worthwhile to add.

 

[Jay Canuck]

BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) Alert!! lol! It's like that Eminem song says..."Life's so Empty without Me." The Bush Hater Loons just seem so lost and empty without their BOOOOOOOSH Boogeyman. I'm actually beginning to just feel sorry for them at this point. Yikes!

also CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome) Alert!! lol! isn't that funny how that works even though Clinton was before Bush.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Daily Kos: Bush was AWOL

Upon being accepted for pilot training, Bush promised to serve with his parent (Texas) Guard unit for five years once he completed his pilot training.
But Bush served as a pilot with his parent unit for just two years.


In May 1972 Bush left the Houston Guard base for Alabama. According to Air Force regulations, Bush was supposed to obtain prior authorization before leaving Texas to join a new Guard unit in Alabama.
But Bush failed to get the authorization.


In requesting a permanent transfer to a nonflying unit in Alabama in 1972, Bush was supposed to sign an acknowledgment that he received relocation counseling.
But no such document exists.


He was supposed to receive a certification of satisfactory participation from his unit.
But Bush did not.


He was supposed to sign and give a letter of resignation to his Texas unit commander.
But Bush did not.


He was supposed to receive discharge orders from the Texas Air National Guard adjutant general.
But Bush did not.


He was supposed to receive new assignment orders for the Air Force Reserves.
But Bush did not.


On his transfer request Bush was asked to list his "permanent address."
But he wrote down a post office box number for the campaign he was working for on a temporary basis.


On his transfer request Bush was asked to list his Air Force specialty code.
But Bush, an F-102 pilot, erroneously wrote the code for an F-89 or F-94 pilot. Both planes had been retired from service at the time. Bush, an officer, made this mistake more than once on the same form.


On May 26, 1972, Lt. Col. Reese Bricken, commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama, informed Bush that a transfer to his nonflying unit would be unsuitable for a fully trained pilot such as he was, and that Bush would not be able to fulfill any of his remaining two years of flight obligation.
But Bush pressed on with his transfer request nonetheless.


Bush's transfer request to the 9921st was eventually denied by the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, which meant he was still obligated to attend training sessions one weekend a month with his Texas unit in Houston.
But Bush failed to attend weekend drills in May, June, July, August and September. He also failed to request permission to make up those days at the time.


According to Air Force regulations, "[a] member whose attendance record is poor must be closely monitored. When the unexcused absences reach one less than the maximum permitted [sic] he must be counseled and a record made of the counseling. If the member is unavailable he must be advised by personal letter."
But there is no record that Bush ever received such counseling, despite the fact that he missed drills for months on end.


Bush's unit was obligated to report in writing to the Personnel Center at Randolph Air Force Base whenever a monthly review of records showed unsatisfactory participation for an officer.
But his unit never reported Bush's absenteeism to Randolph Air Force Base.


In July 1972 Bush failed to take a mandatory Guard physical exam, which is a serious offense for a Guard pilot. The move should have prompted the formation of a Flying Evaluation Board to investigation the circumstances surrounding Bush's failure.
But no such FEB was convened.


Once Bush was grounded for failing to take a physical, his commanders could have filed a report on why the suspension should be lifted.
But Bush's commanders made no such request.


On Sept. 15, 1972, Bush was ordered to report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, the deputy commander of the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery, Ala., to participate in training on the weekends of Oct. 7-8 and Nov. 4-5, 1972.
But there's no evidence Bush ever showed up on those dates. In 2000, Turnipseed told the Boston Globe that Bush did not report for duty. (A self-professed Bush supporter, Turnipseed has since backed off from his categorical claim.)


However, according to the White House-released pay records, which are unsigned, Bush was credited for serving in Montgomery on Oct. 28-29 and Nov. 11-14, 1972. Those makeup dates should have produced a paper trail, including Bush's formal request as well as authorization and supervision documents.
But no such documents exist, and the dates he was credited for do not match the dates when the Montgomery unit assembled for drills.


When Guardsmen miss monthly drills, or "unit training assemblies" (UTAs), they are allowed to make them up through substitute service and earn crucial points toward their service record. Drills are worth one point on a weekday and two points on each weekend day. For Bush's substitute service on Nov. 13-14, 1972, he was awarded four points, two for each day.
But Nov. 13 and 14 were both weekdays. He should have been awarded two points.


Bush earned six points for service on Jan. 4-6, 1973 -- a Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
But he should have earned four points, one each for Thursday and Friday, two for Saturday.


Weekday training was the exception in the Guard. For example, from May 1968 to May 1972, when Bush was in good standing, he was not credited with attending a single weekday UTA.
But after 1972, when Bush's absenteeism accelerated, nearly half of his credited UTAs were for weekdays.


To maintain unit cohesiveness, the parameters for substitute service are tightly controlled; drills must be made up within 15 days immediately before, or 30 days immediately after, the originally scheduled drill, according to Guard regulations at the time.
But more than half of the substitute service credits Bush received fell outside that clear time frame. In one case, he made up a drill nine weeks in advance.


On Sept. 29, 1972, Bush was formally grounded for failing to take a flight physical. The letter, written by Maj. Gen. Francis Greenlief, chief of the National Guard Bureau, ordered Bush to acknowledge in writing that he had received word of his grounding.
But no such written acknowledgment exists. In 2000, Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Boston Globe that Bush couldn't remember if he'd ever been grounded.


Bartlett also told the Boston Globe that Bush didn't undergo a physical while in Alabama because his family doctor was in Houston.
But only Air Force flight surgeons can give flight physicals to pilots.


Guard members are required to take a physical exam every 12 months.
But Bush's last Guard physical was in May 1971. Bush was formally discharged from the service in November 1974, which means he went without a required physical for 42 months.


Bush's unsatisfactory participation in the fall of 1972 should have prompted the Texas Air National Guard to write to his local draft board and inform the board that Bush had become eligible for the draft. Guard units across the country contacted draft boards every Sept. 15 to update them on the status of local Guard members. Bush's absenteeism should have prompted what's known as a DD Form 44, "Record of Military Status of Registrant."
But there is no record of any such document having been sent to Bush's draft board in Houston.


Records released by the White House note that Bush received a military dental exam in Alabama on Jan. 6, 1973.
But Bush's request to serve in Alabama covered only September, October and November 1972. Why he would still be serving in Alabama months after that remains unclear.


Each of Bush's numerous substitute service requests should have formed a lengthy paper trail consisting of AF Form 40a's, with the name of the officer who authorized the training in advance, the signature of the officer who supervised the training and Bush's own signature.
But no such documents exist.


During his last year with the Texas Air National Guard, Bush missed nearly two-thirds of his mandatory UTAs and made up some of them with substitute service. Guard regulations allowed substitute service only in circumstances that are "beyond the control" of the Guard member.
But neither Bush nor the Texas Air National Guard has ever explained what the uncontrollable circumstances were that forced him to miss the majority of his assigned drills in his last year.


Bush supposedly returned to his Houston unit in April 1973 and served two days.
But at the end of April, when Bush's Texas commanders had to rate him for their annual report, they wrote that they could not do so: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report."


On June 29, 1973, the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver instructed Bush's commanders to get additional information from his Alabama unit, where he had supposedly been training, in order to better evaluate Bush's duty. The ARPC gave Texas a deadline of Aug. 6 to get the information.
But Bush's commanders ignored the request.


Bush was credited for attending four days of UTAs with his Texas unit July 16-19, 1973. That was good for eight crucial points.
But that's not possible. Guard units hold only two UTAs each month -- one on a Saturday and one on a Sunday. Although Bush may well have made up four days, they should not all have been counted as UTAs, since they occur just twice a month. The other days are known as "Appropriate Duty," or APDY.


On July 30, 1973, Bush, preparing to attend Harvard Business School, signed a statement acknowledging it was his responsibility to find another unit in which to serve out the remaining nine months of his commitment.
But Bush never contacted another unit in Massachusetts in which to fulfill his obligation.

You throw up some bullshit from dailykos and think we are ignorant enough to buy into it?

Seriously, you're a clueless fucking moron!

Look Jay, you're a friggin' toothless canadian shit for brains. Nobody gives a shit about your asinine opinions. You were a moron over on the old MSNBC site, and you're a bigger moron up here.

 

[Jay Canuck]

If he were AWOL, he would have been borught up on charges.

Know your US military law asshole before you spew crap you find on the daily KOS.

and you are probably a Kerry swiftboater huh?

Now there is a response one would never see in a debate...unless the debater has nothing worthwhile to add.

coming from the great debater who came up with this little gem - "Isnt it amazing how, despite ALL of the people that would love to see Bush hang"

don't you get tired of blaming others for bullshit you pull or does that just go along with being old and ignorant?

 

[maineman]

I think Obama should definitely wait until after the runoff election in Afghanistan and see if the election is legitimate and the people support the elected government. If the elected government of the country does not have the support of the people, anything we try to do that requires an effective government partner will be destined for failure, IMO.

how many dead boys in a wait????

why not show some stones and debate the point I made instead of just tossing out inane one liner bullshit?

Do you or do you NOT agree that without an Afghan government that has the sipport of the people, it makes little sense for us to attempt to carry out a counter-insurgency strategy by ourselves? and support your answer.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) sufferers are actually just cracking most people up at this point. I really do believe these Bush hater Loons wish their Booooooosh Boogeyman was still President. They just seem so lost and pathetic without their Boogeyman around anymore. Is it time to just start feeling sorry for them? Hmm?

 

[Jay Canuck]

Nice try Jester but if it's lie why have they not been sued?

 

[Oldandtired]

and you are probably a Kerry swiftboater huh?

Now there is a response one would never see in a debate...unless the debater has nothing worthwhile to add.

coming from the great debater who came up with this little gem - "Isnt it amazing how, despite ALL of the people that would love to see Bush hang"

don't you get tired of blaming others for bullshit you pull or does that just go along with being old and ignorant?

You take an excerpt form something I wrote and post it giving it a strange meaning and that is deemed as appropriate for you?

If that is the way you want to get me off your back...so be it.

I thought you were a man....I did not realize you were a child.

 

[maineman]

"bash a man that would gladly die in shame if it meant he would be able to save your sorry asses."

are you talking about AWOL Bush or yourself pussyboy?

First off Mr Bush was never AWOL. Check the records, not charged, not guilty.

Now as far as Mr Saddam. While it is true that our Intelligence and most of the rest of the world was wrong, and he did not have WMD stockpiled. He did have many factories that were built with the specifications that they could be converted within weeks so that they could start producing WMD. He also had testing facilities for rocket engines which could carry those WMD. He also admitted that he had wanted Iran to believe that he did have them, so they would not attack while he was weakened.

As far as Afghanistan, maybe we could have ended it years ago, maybe not. Hard to say especially when the Mission hasn't been updated. At least i haven't heard it. From Bush or Mr Obama.

Isnt it amazing how, despite ALL of the people that would love to see Bush hang, NOT A SINGLE ONE can prove any of the ILLEGAL military infractions that he is accused of committing. Sure we have losers like our Canadian Liberal doing their best to spread these rumors.....but yet, the best they can come up with is "well, maybe we can somehow prove that he broke the law with his interrogation tactics."

And yet losers like our Canadian Liberal still rant on.

his incomplete military records, if fully revealed, might very well provide such proof. Bush WAS ordered to take a flight physical and he DID disobey that order. Undoubtedly, that would have resulted in SOME form of disciplinary action... but, oddly enough, the Bush administration DoD just could not seem to find those documents.

things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

 

[Jay Canuck]

If being a child to you means that I get to call you on your bullshit then so be it old man... I am just playing you with the rules you are making up as we go along.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Nice try Jester but if it's lie why have they not been sued?

Because unlike you and your beloved messiah, we believe in free speech.
Hey, if your ignorant enough to believe it, that's your stupidity. Your willingness to claim it only gives us more reasons to laugh at your stupid whiney canadian ass.

Besides, Bush's commander debunked that bullshit long ago. In fact, Dan Rather was tossed under the bus for BLATANTLY reporting those lies.

Get a fucking clue!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Bush Hater Loons are just plain funny at this point. Their Bush Derangement Syndrome has left them empty & lost with no direction in their lives. Watching them still spewing their tired & stale hysterical hate for Bush really is like watching the freak show at one of those old local carnivals. Pretty bizarre but also pretty funny too. In the end these poor lost souls really do wish their old Boooosh Boogeyman was still President. They no longer have any direction in their lives without their Boogeyman. No need to get angry at them. Instead just feel sorry for them and hope they find a cure for their illness.

 

[Oldandtired]

First off Mr Bush was never AWOL. Check the records, not charged, not guilty.

Now as far as Mr Saddam. While it is true that our Intelligence and most of the rest of the world was wrong, and he did not have WMD stockpiled. He did have many factories that were built with the specifications that they could be converted within weeks so that they could start producing WMD. He also had testing facilities for rocket engines which could carry those WMD. He also admitted that he had wanted Iran to believe that he did have them, so they would not attack while he was weakened.

As far as Afghanistan, maybe we could have ended it years ago, maybe not. Hard to say especially when the Mission hasn't been updated. At least i haven't heard it. From Bush or Mr Obama.

Isnt it amazing how, despite ALL of the people that would love to see Bush hang, NOT A SINGLE ONE can prove any of the ILLEGAL military infractions that he is accused of committing. Sure we have losers like our Canadian Liberal doing their best to spread these rumors.....but yet, the best they can come up with is "well, maybe we can somehow prove that he broke the law with his interrogation tactics."

And yet losers like our Canadian Liberal still rant on.

his incomplete military records, if fully revealed, might very well provide such proof. Bush WAS ordered to take a flight physical and he DID disobey that order. Undoubtedly, that would have resulted in SOME form of disciplinary action... but, oddly enough, the Bush administration DoD just could not seem to find those documents.

things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

If the documents exist, they would be revealed by now. We DO have a majority in congress and a President that hated Bush. Believe me, they would be going after him....NOT the CIA.

 

[maineman]

Isnt it amazing how, despite ALL of the people that would love to see Bush hang, NOT A SINGLE ONE can prove any of the ILLEGAL military infractions that he is accused of committing. Sure we have losers like our Canadian Liberal doing their best to spread these rumors.....but yet, the best they can come up with is "well, maybe we can somehow prove that he broke the law with his interrogation tactics."

And yet losers like our Canadian Liberal still rant on.

his incomplete military records, if fully revealed, might very well provide such proof. Bush WAS ordered to take a flight physical and he DID disobey that order. Undoubtedly, that would have resulted in SOME form of disciplinary action... but, oddly enough, the Bush administration DoD just could not seem to find those documents.

things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

If the documents STILL exist, they would be revealed by now. We DO have a majority in congress and a President that hated Bush. Believe me, they would be going after him....NOT the CIA.

fixed it for ya.

I would not be a bit surprised if a loyal Bush cohort found them and turned them into confetti.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Jester, who cares about Dan Rather?.....he got fucked on one piece of info and rightfully so....that doesn't change the truckload of facts I posted.

also Jester freespeech and printing lies and being sued for it have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Jay Canuck]

Isnt it amazing how, despite ALL of the people that would love to see Bush hang, NOT A SINGLE ONE can prove any of the ILLEGAL military infractions that he is accused of committing. Sure we have losers like our Canadian Liberal doing their best to spread these rumors.....but yet, the best they can come up with is "well, maybe we can somehow prove that he broke the law with his interrogation tactics."

And yet losers like our Canadian Liberal still rant on.

his incomplete military records, if fully revealed, might very well provide such proof. Bush WAS ordered to take a flight physical and he DID disobey that order. Undoubtedly, that would have resulted in SOME form of disciplinary action... but, oddly enough, the Bush administration DoD just could not seem to find those documents.

things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

If the documents exist, they would be revealed by now. We DO have a majority in congress and a President that hated Bush. Believe me, they would be going after him....NOT the CIA.

can we see a qoute of the current POTUS saying he hates G.Bush?

 

[Oldandtired]

his incomplete military records, if fully revealed, might very well provide such proof. Bush WAS ordered to take a flight physical and he DID disobey that order. Undoubtedly, that would have resulted in SOME form of disciplinary action... but, oddly enough, the Bush administration DoD just could not seem to find those documents.

things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

If the documents STILL exist, they would be revealed by now. We DO have a majority in congress and a President that hated Bush. Believe me, they would be going after him....NOT the CIA.

fixed it for ya.

I would not be a bit surprised if a loyal Bush cohort found them and turned them into confetti.

Thanks for the correction.....but archives are no longer on paper....they are all in data form. Deleting information is not as simple as hitting delete when it comes to military records, congressional records, and presidential records.

Look at it this way.....in today's day and age, one can not campaign if they have any type of mark in their background. Gore, the SITTING VP during the 1999 campaign, had access to all of Bush's military records. If he were AWOL it would have been disclosed.

Trust me...Gore reviewed everything the government had on file on Bush. If there was something, we would have known.