6 die - ban flavored vaping, hundreds die in msass shootings, silenvce. WTF?

[edward37]

 

[2aguy]

The "nuts" are the ones who believe a semi-automatic rifle is an "assault weapon."

It's a T/O weapon for the military. Should be classified assault IMH opinion.

"T/O?"

table of organization

The AR-15 has never been in any table of organization.....it is not a military weapon.

The pump action shotgun, bolt action rifle are actual military weapons...including the bolt action rifle hunters use for deer hunting.....you want those banned too...right?

Still playing word games. If you assfucks had a real argument, you wouldn't be playing word games.

but but but the military....

It's not a word game you moron.... you say you want to ban military weapons.......military style weapons...then we tell you that the AR-15 has never been used by the military, that it is just a normal, regular rifle, and you get pissy........ you want to play the word game so you get uninformed people to give you power.....you are a moron.

 

[2aguy]

Great children die in the bathtub so lets not give a fuck when you arm people with powerful weapons and they slaughter a bunch.

Who did I arm with a powerful weapon?

When you refuse to support efforts o keep these weapons out of hands of mass murderers.

We have all the laws we need to do that.....the democrats keep letting them have the guns....or they get caught, arrested, and the democrat judge lets them out again...you don't care about the real cause of actual gun murder...you just want to ban guns.

 

[2aguy]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

knives kill more people than AR-15s and there is zero outrage about knives

Knives serve a purpose.

Your AR-15 is a toy. you assfucks play with.

AR-15s...17 people a year since 1982....

Knives...over 1,500 people every single year....

You moron

 

[bripat9643]

You're the one playing word games, shit for brains. We are simply correcting your deliberate misuse of English.

Children die every day drowning in the bathtub - probably far more than are killed by assault weapons. Why aren't you turds screaming about that? The answer is simple: you don't really care. You're just using these episodes to overthrow the 2nd Amendment.

Great children die in the bathtub so lets not give a fuck when you arm people with powerful weapons and they slaughter a bunch.

No one "arms people with powerful weapons." If you were concerned about the major causes of dead children, you would be more concerned about bathtub safety than so-called "gun safety."

Laws were passed to help increasse bath tub safety, dumbass. Tie to do it with guns.

Children still die in bath tubs, moron - more than die in mass shootings.

A kid dies in a bathtub so we should no longer care about children getting killed in shootings.

Great ,logic, asshole.

It's your logic, asshole. If some kids die in a mass shooting, then we should ignore the thousands of kids who die from other causes.

 

[Crepitus]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Moron....

Number of mass public shootings in 2018.... 12. Total killed... 93

Number of mass public shootings in 2017...11 ( 5 if you go by the original standard). Total killed...117.

You don't know what you are talking about...

Knives murder more people every single year than mass public shooters do...over 1,500 people....

2017...total killed....117.

2018... total killed.... 93


Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC



Cars....38,659

Poison...64,795
Fall (Gravity) ...36,338
Suffocation...6,946
Fire....2,902
Struck, by or against...819
Bicycle...345

2016



Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)

Moron...

Trying to equate mass murder with car accidents.

 

[bripat9643]

My shotgun is assault weapon and can be used on the battlefield, so you will admit it need to be banned, right?

If so how will ranchers deal with wild animals if you ban all firearms like you want?

Seed, every fucking one of you assfucks try to play word games. Children are dying. You are play games.

The Assault rifle ban had definitions & listed models.

If you need a semi automatic rifle with a 100 round magazine to shoot a varmitt, you should learn how to shoot.

We need those to shoot jack booted government thugs. However, they are frequently used to kill feral hogs.

Assfucks like you are the reason George HW Bush revoked his lifetime membership in the NRA.

You claim be be patriots & you call those in law enforcement storm troopers.

Fuck you.

George HW Bush was never a conservative, and he never supported the 2nd Amendment.

Lying fuck. He was a lifetime NRA member until they trashed law enforcement like you did.

Like you, Bush doesn't understand the point of the NRA.

Anyone who supports BLM trashes law enforcement, shit for brains.

 

[bripat9643]

"While I like the Vaping alternative to Cigarettes, we need to make sure this alternative is SAFE for ALL! Let’s get counterfeits off the market, and keep young children from Vaping!" - President Trump

i wonder if he's told Barron about it!

That's called letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. What would you rather have, people vaping or people smoking cancer sticks?

 

[basquebromance]

"While I like the Vaping alternative to Cigarettes, we need to make sure this alternative is SAFE for ALL! Let’s get counterfeits off the market, and keep young children from Vaping!" - President Trump

i wonder if he's told Barron about it!

That's called letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. What would you rather have, people vaping or people smoking cancer sticks?

those are the only options available?

 

[bripat9643]

"While I like the Vaping alternative to Cigarettes, we need to make sure this alternative is SAFE for ALL! Let’s get counterfeits off the market, and keep young children from Vaping!" - President Trump

i wonder if he's told Barron about it!

That's called letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. What would you rather have, people vaping or people smoking cancer sticks?

those are the only options available?

Do you have a better one than vaping as opposed to smoking?

 

[basquebromance]

"While I like the Vaping alternative to Cigarettes, we need to make sure this alternative is SAFE for ALL! Let’s get counterfeits off the market, and keep young children from Vaping!" - President Trump

i wonder if he's told Barron about it!

That's called letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. What would you rather have, people vaping or people smoking cancer sticks?

those are the only options available?

Do you have a better one than vaping as opposed to smoking?

drinking red bull

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Excuse me they have a clip and fire more than one round.

You must have been a human resources specialists in the army. These weapons don't have clips, they have magazines. Your definitiion of an assault weapon is anything that fires more than 1 round? Cheez, I guess we would also have to ban revolvers with very light trigger pulls.

That's exactly what they want. They know the public has an emotional reaction to the term "assault weapon," so they redefine it to mean virtually every weapon on the planet.

Not another Gun nut talking about the definition when we all know what is being discussed.

Poor baby, Afraid to use his toys. Grow the fuck up.

The "nuts" are the ones who believe a semi-automatic rifle is an "assault weapon."

It's a T/O weapon for the military. Should be classified assault IMH opinion.

Well, they aren't, so what is your point?

 

[Blackrook]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

 

[RealDave]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

The USSC says guns can be regulated

 

[RealDave]

Seed, every fucking one of you assfucks try to play word games. Children are dying. You are play games.

The Assault rifle ban had definitions & listed models.

If you need a semi automatic rifle with a 100 round magazine to shoot a varmitt, you should learn how to shoot.

We need those to shoot jack booted government thugs. However, they are frequently used to kill feral hogs.

Assfucks like you are the reason George HW Bush revoked his lifetime membership in the NRA.

You claim be be patriots & you call those in law enforcement storm troopers.

Fuck you.

George HW Bush was never a conservative, and he never supported the 2nd Amendment.

Lying fuck. He was a lifetime NRA member until they trashed law enforcement like you did.

Like you, Bush doesn't understand the point of the NRA.

Anyone who supports BLM trashes law enforcement, shit for brains.

Bush liked the NRA until they stayted bashing law enforcement. Why does the NRA bash law enforcement. What is their point.

Why are you bashing law enforcement.

 

[2aguy]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Moron....

Number of mass public shootings in 2018.... 12. Total killed... 93

Number of mass public shootings in 2017...11 ( 5 if you go by the original standard). Total killed...117.

You don't know what you are talking about...

Knives murder more people every single year than mass public shooters do...over 1,500 people....

2017...total killed....117.

2018... total killed.... 93


Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC



Cars....38,659

Poison...64,795
Fall (Gravity) ...36,338
Suffocation...6,946
Fire....2,902
Struck, by or against...819
Bicycle...345

2016



Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)

Moron...

Trying to equate mass murder with car accidents.

You are the moron....

For 93 people killed vs the 38,000 in car accidents, you want to use those rarest of rare crimes to deny million of people their Right to self defense.....600 million guns in this country, 12 were used illegally in mass public shootings.......and you want to ban and confiscate them........considering the history of disarmed people across the world, with mass murder in the hundreds of millions, you are the fool....

Americans use their legal guns on average 1.1 million times a year to save lives...according to the vaunted CDC.......and you would rather those people be raped, robbed and murdered rather than they use a gun to save their lives......and you are using 93 deaths to justify even more rape, robbery and murder....

And you can't even dispute the fact that guns do not cause crime.....that as more Americans own and carry guns, gun crime doesn't go up....gun murder doesn't go up....you have no argument, you simply want power over other people...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

The USSC says guns can be regulated

Wrong, dumb ass....they said semi-automatic rifles are protected by the 2nd Amendment....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment.

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/15-133_7l48.pdf
That analysis misreads Heller. The question under Heller is not whether citizens have adequate alternatives available for self-defense.
Rather, Heller asks whether the law bans types of firearms commonly used for a lawful purpose—regardless of whether alternatives exist. 554 U. S., at 627–629. And Heller draws a distinction between such firearms and weapons specially adapted to unlawful uses and not in common use, such as sawed-off shotguns. Id., at 624–625.
The City’s ban is thus highly suspect because it broadly prohibits common semiautomatic firearms used for lawful purposes.

Roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles. See 784 F. 3d, at 415, n. 3. The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting. See ibid. Under our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons. See McDonald, 561 U. S., at 767–768; Heller, supra, at 628–629.

 

[2aguy]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

The USSC says guns can be regulated

And more....from a Supreme Court ruling just after Heller.....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf

First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes. See Heller, supra, at 627 (contrasting “‘dangerous and unusual weapons’” that may be banned with protected “weapons . . . ‘in common use at the time’”).



Second, even in cases where dangerousness might be relevant, the Supreme Judicial Court’s test sweeps far too broadly.

Heller defined the “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment to include “‘any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.’” 554 U. S., at 581.






https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Nothing in that bans weapons by type........

Next...

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ” }}

the sorts of weapons protected were those "in common use at the time"........the AR-15 civilian rifle, in particular....is the most "common" rifle in the country, ......over 8 million of them in private hands and semi auto rifles there are over 16 million of them in private hands if not more......


And then, because lying judges on the 4th Circuit tried to use this argument to ban stun guns in Massachusetts, the Supreme Court had to slap them with the Caetano v. Massachusetts ruling...

This also re addresses the point about these weapons not existing when the Founders put the 2A in the Bill of Rights....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf
Opinion of the Court[edit]

In a per curiam decision, the Supreme Court vacated the ruling of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

[7] Citing District of Columbia v. Heller[8] and McDonald v. City of Chicago,[9] the Court began its opinion by stating that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that "the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States".[6]

The Court then identified three reasons why the Massachusetts court's opinion contradicted prior rulings by the United States Supreme Court.[1]

First, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns could be banned because they "were not in common use at the time of the Second Amendment’s enactment", but the Supreme Court noted that this contradicted Heller's conclusion that Second Amendment protects "arms ... that were not in existence at the time of the founding”.[10]

Second, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns were "dangerous per se at common law and unusual" because they were "a thoroughly modern invention", but the Supreme Court held that this was also inconstant with Heller.[11]


Third, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns could be banned because they were not "readily adaptable to use in the military", but the Supreme Court held that Heller rejected the argument that "only those weapons useful in warfare" were protected by the Second Amendment.[12]

-----

----As to “dangerous,” the court below held that a weapon is “dangerous per se” if it is “ ‘designed and constructed to produce death or great bodily harm’ and ‘for the purpose of bodily assault or defense.’” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692 (quoting Commonwealth v. Appleby, 380 Mass. 296, 303, 402 N. E. 2d 1051, 1056 (1980)).


That test may be appropriate for applying statutes criminalizing assault with a dangerous weapon. See ibid., 402 N. E. 2d, at 1056. But it cannot be used to identify arms that fall outside the Second Amendment. First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes. See Heller, supra, at 627 (contrasting “‘dangerous and unusual weapons’” that may be banned with protected “weapons . . . ‘in common use at the time’”).

Second, even in cases where dangerousness might be relevant, the Supreme Judicial Court’s test sweeps far too broadly.

Heller defined the “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment to include “‘any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.’” 554 U. S., at 581.


Under the decision below, however, virtually every covered arm would qualify as “dangerous.” Were there any doubt on this point, one need only look at the court’s first example of “dangerous per se” weapons: “firearms.” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692.

If Heller tells us anything, it is that firearms cannot be categorically prohibited just because they are dangerous. 554 U. S., at 636. A fortiori, stun guns that the Commonwealth’s own witness described as “non-lethal force,” Tr. 27, cannot be banned on that basis.---------

The court also opined that a weapon’s unusualness depends on whether “it is a weapon of warfare to be used by the militia.” 470 Mass., at 780, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693. It asserted that we followed such an approach in Miller and “approved its use in Heller.” 470 Mass., at 780, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693.


But Heller actually said that it would be a “startling reading” of Miller to conclude that “only those weapons useful in warfare are protected.” 554 U. S., at 624.


Instead, Miller and Heller recognized that militia members traditionally reported for duty carrying “the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home,” and that the Second Amendment therefore protects such weapons as a class, regardless of any particular weapon’s suitability for military use.


554 U. S., at 627; see id., at 624–625. Indeed, Heller acknowledged that advancements in military technology might render many commonly owned weapons ineffective in warfare. Id., at 627–628. But such “modern developments . . . cannot change our interpretation of the right.” Ibid.
In any event, the Supreme Judicial Court’s assumption that stun guns are unsuited for militia or military use is untenable.

 

[bripat9643]

We need those to shoot jack booted government thugs. However, they are frequently used to kill feral hogs.

Assfucks like you are the reason George HW Bush revoked his lifetime membership in the NRA.

You claim be be patriots & you call those in law enforcement storm troopers.

Fuck you.

George HW Bush was never a conservative, and he never supported the 2nd Amendment.

Lying fuck. He was a lifetime NRA member until they trashed law enforcement like you did.

Like you, Bush doesn't understand the point of the NRA.

Anyone who supports BLM trashes law enforcement, shit for brains.

Bush liked the NRA until they stayted bashing law enforcement. Why does the NRA bash law enforcement. What is their point.

Why are you bashing law enforcement.

What utter horseshit. Who gives a flying fuck what Bush likes? He's a fucking establishment RINO. He's a leftist, like you.

Furthermore, the NRA never attacked the police, moron.

 

[RealDave]

Assfucks like you are the reason George HW Bush revoked his lifetime membership in the NRA.

You claim be be patriots & you call those in law enforcement storm troopers.

Fuck you.

George HW Bush was never a conservative, and he never supported the 2nd Amendment.

Lying fuck. He was a lifetime NRA member until they trashed law enforcement like you did.

Like you, Bush doesn't understand the point of the NRA.

Anyone who supports BLM trashes law enforcement, shit for brains.

Bush liked the NRA until they stayted bashing law enforcement. Why does the NRA bash law enforcement. What is their point.

Why are you bashing law enforcement.

What utter horseshit. Who gives a flying fuck what Bush likes? He's a fucking establishment RINO. He's a leftist, like you.

Furthermore, the NRA never attacked the police, moron.

Enforcement of US laws by various government agencies. As an American, HW would not stand for the NRA trashing of these people that serve our country.

As for police, they love it when they face AR-15s in their daily duties. I am sure they thank the scumbags of the NRA for making that happen.

George HW Bush was the last real Republican President that cared more for his country than his party.