6 die - ban flavored vaping, hundreds die in msass shootings, silenvce. WTF?

[RealDave]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

The USSC says guns can be regulated

And more....from a Supreme Court ruling just after Heller.....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf

First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes. See Heller, supra, at 627 (contrasting “‘dangerous and unusual weapons’” that may be banned with protected “weapons . . . ‘in common use at the time’”).



Second, even in cases where dangerousness might be relevant, the Supreme Judicial Court’s test sweeps far too broadly.

Heller defined the “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment to include “‘any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.’” 554 U. S., at 581.






https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Nothing in that bans weapons by type........

Next...

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ” }}

the sorts of weapons protected were those "in common use at the time"........the AR-15 civilian rifle, in particular....is the most "common" rifle in the country, ......over 8 million of them in private hands and semi auto rifles there are over 16 million of them in private hands if not more......


And then, because lying judges on the 4th Circuit tried to use this argument to ban stun guns in Massachusetts, the Supreme Court had to slap them with the Caetano v. Massachusetts ruling...

This also re addresses the point about these weapons not existing when the Founders put the 2A in the Bill of Rights....

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf
Opinion of the Court[edit]

In a per curiam decision, the Supreme Court vacated the ruling of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

[7] Citing District of Columbia v. Heller[8] and McDonald v. City of Chicago,[9] the Court began its opinion by stating that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that "the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States".[6]

The Court then identified three reasons why the Massachusetts court's opinion contradicted prior rulings by the United States Supreme Court.[1]

First, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns could be banned because they "were not in common use at the time of the Second Amendment’s enactment", but the Supreme Court noted that this contradicted Heller's conclusion that Second Amendment protects "arms ... that were not in existence at the time of the founding”.[10]

Second, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns were "dangerous per se at common law and unusual" because they were "a thoroughly modern invention", but the Supreme Court held that this was also inconstant with Heller.[11]


Third, the Massachusetts court said that stun guns could be banned because they were not "readily adaptable to use in the military", but the Supreme Court held that Heller rejected the argument that "only those weapons useful in warfare" were protected by the Second Amendment.[12]

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----As to “dangerous,” the court below held that a weapon is “dangerous per se” if it is “ ‘designed and constructed to produce death or great bodily harm’ and ‘for the purpose of bodily assault or defense.’” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692 (quoting Commonwealth v. Appleby, 380 Mass. 296, 303, 402 N. E. 2d 1051, 1056 (1980)).


That test may be appropriate for applying statutes criminalizing assault with a dangerous weapon. See ibid., 402 N. E. 2d, at 1056. But it cannot be used to identify arms that fall outside the Second Amendment. First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes. See Heller, supra, at 627 (contrasting “‘dangerous and unusual weapons’” that may be banned with protected “weapons . . . ‘in common use at the time’”).

Second, even in cases where dangerousness might be relevant, the Supreme Judicial Court’s test sweeps far too broadly.

Heller defined the “Arms” covered by the Second Amendment to include “‘any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.’” 554 U. S., at 581.


Under the decision below, however, virtually every covered arm would qualify as “dangerous.” Were there any doubt on this point, one need only look at the court’s first example of “dangerous per se” weapons: “firearms.” 470 Mass., at 779, 26 N. E. 3d, at 692.

If Heller tells us anything, it is that firearms cannot be categorically prohibited just because they are dangerous. 554 U. S., at 636. A fortiori, stun guns that the Commonwealth’s own witness described as “non-lethal force,” Tr. 27, cannot be banned on that basis.---------

The court also opined that a weapon’s unusualness depends on whether “it is a weapon of warfare to be used by the militia.” 470 Mass., at 780, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693. It asserted that we followed such an approach in Miller and “approved its use in Heller.” 470 Mass., at 780, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693.


But Heller actually said that it would be a “startling reading” of Miller to conclude that “only those weapons useful in warfare are protected.” 554 U. S., at 624.


Instead, Miller and Heller recognized that militia members traditionally reported for duty carrying “the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home,” and that the Second Amendment therefore protects such weapons as a class, regardless of any particular weapon’s suitability for military use.


554 U. S., at 627; see id., at 624–625. Indeed, Heller acknowledged that advancements in military technology might render many commonly owned weapons ineffective in warfare. Id., at 627–628. But such “modern developments . . . cannot change our interpretation of the right.” Ibid.
In any event, the Supreme Judicial Court’s assumption that stun guns are unsuited for militia or military use is untenable.

I said guns can be regulated. The USSC said this,

Your pile of bullshit has nothing to do with that.

They said this:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. For example, concealed weapons prohibitions … possessions of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing condition and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

 

[bripat9643]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

The USSC says guns can be regulated

They can't be regulated in any way that limits their availability to the people.

 

[deanrd]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Moron....

Number of mass public shootings in 2018.... 12. Total killed... 93

Number of mass public shootings in 2017...11 ( 5 if you go by the original standard). Total killed...117.

You don't know what you are talking about...

Knives murder more people every single year than mass public shooters do...over 1,500 people....

2017...total killed....117.

2018... total killed.... 93


Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC



Cars....38,659

Poison...64,795
Fall (Gravity) ...36,338
Suffocation...6,946
Fire....2,902
Struck, by or against...819
Bicycle...345

2016



Car.......38,748

falling off of ladders.....300

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786

Drug over dose deaths (2017) 70,237

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)

Do you understand the difference between an accident and going out and looking for a dozen people to shoot?

 

[DOTR]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Good thing vaping has no useful purpose and isn’t protected In the lockbox of the US Constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Flavored e-cigs aren't a Constitutional right.

Guns are.

The USSC says guns can be regulated

Which regulations have been upheld by the USSC?
Please cite the holdings and the text to that effect.

 

[sartre play]

We just don't seem able to think anything through too a reasonable conclusion.

 

[pismoe]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

-------------------------------------------- if anything i'd GUESS that some of these scummy politicos MAY respect the USA Second Amendment so they are careful to not mess around with Americans Second Amendment RIGHTS [MAYBE] . And YES , Lets hope that the NRA still has the power to scare the politicos that are FED by Taxpayers . Now , just have a VAPE and quiet down , yer going to go crazy RDave .

 

[RealDave]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

-------------------------------------------- if anything i'd GUESS that some of these scummy politicos MAY respect the USA Second Amendment so they are careful to not mess around with Americans Second Amendment RIGHTS [MAYBE] . And YES , Lets hope that the NRA still has the power to scare the politicos that are FED by Taxpayers . Now , just have a VAPE and quiet down , yer going to go crazy RDave .

Another NRA fed moron who thinks guns can not be regulated

 

[Norman]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

-------------------------------------------- if anything i'd GUESS that some of these scummy politicos MAY respect the USA Second Amendment so they are careful to not mess around with Americans Second Amendment RIGHTS [MAYBE] . And YES , Lets hope that the NRA still has the power to scare the politicos that are FED by Taxpayers . Now , just have a VAPE and quiet down , yer going to go crazy RDave .

Another NRA fed moron who thinks guns can not be regulated

Of course guns can be regulated.

We should regulate one (a big one at that - an assault weapon) to every house like the Swiss do. Well regulated militia.

 

[pismoe]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

-------------------------------------------- if anything i'd GUESS that some of these scummy politicos MAY respect the USA Second Amendment so they are careful to not mess around with Americans Second Amendment RIGHTS [MAYBE] . And YES , Lets hope that the NRA still has the power to scare the politicos that are FED by Taxpayers . Now , just have a VAPE and quiet down , yer going to go crazy RDave .

Another NRA fed moron who thinks guns can not be regulated

--------------------------------------------------SHOULD NOT be regulated or restricted RDave

 

[P@triot]

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Oh fuck off, Real Dick. The American people don't want firearms banned or restricted. The NRA is nothing more than the American people. Period. And We the People have spoken. So sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

 

[P@triot]

Well regulated militia.

Snowflake...."well regulated militia" was just a reason why. It was not the what.

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

It does not say the right of the militia. And the founders clarified this further in many writings. Sorry, you lose (BIG).

 

[RealDave]

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Oh fuck off, Real Dick. The American people don't want firearms banned or restricted. The NRA is nothing more than the American people. Period. And We the People have spoken. So sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

The American people want a ban of assault type rifles. They want better background checks without loopholes.

They want their Representatives in Congress NOT to be owned by the NRA.

 

[RealDave]

Well regulated militia.

Snowflake...."well regulated militia" was just a reason why. It was not the what.

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

It does not say the right of the militia. And the founders clarified this further in many writings. Sorry, you lose (BIG).

First, you vote for assfucks that trash the Constitution & now you try to rewrite it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

Oh fuck off, Real Dick. The American people don't want firearms banned or restricted. The NRA is nothing more than the American people. Period. And We the People have spoken. So sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

The American people want a ban of assault type rifles. They want better background checks without loopholes.

Too bad about the Constitution, eh?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well regulated militia.

Snowflake...."well regulated militia" was just a reason why. It was not the what.

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

It does not say the right of the militia. And the founders clarified this further in many writings. Sorry, you lose (BIG).

First, you vote for assfucks that trash the Constitution & now you try to rewrite it.

How it is you are unaware of the fact the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home?
I mean other than your hyperpartisan bigotry and willful ignorance?

 

[Crixus]

Trump administration moves to ban flavored e-cigarettes - CNNPolitics

Trump says that our kids are dying & we must do something!!!!!

Six have fied & Trump works to ban flavored vaping.

Hundreds have died is mass shootings involving assault type rifles & nothing. Cabn't bsn them, can do any m,ore in background checks, nothing.

Republicans are panty waisted chickenshit afraid of the terror group NRA.

I'll translate. Derp, derp derp, derrrrrp...... Derp!

 

[Crixus]

Do YOUR part, Davie-doo and put down the bong!

No, the bong helps mellow. Dude needs to calm down. I hope he ain't that pissed off in real life.

 

[P@triot]

NRA does not care about e cigs

The NRA is nothing more than We the People. And that’s what pisses you off the most.

We the People have spoken, wrong-winger. Deal with it.

 

[P@triot]

The American people want a ban of assault type rifles. They want better background checks without loopholes.

No they don’t. Or you would have the votes you need to achieve that. Dumb ass.

They want their Representatives in Congress NOT to be owned by the NRA.

Representatives in Congress are supposed to answer to the people, you fascist dimwit. The NRA is exclusively made up of American citizens.