6 Proofs That God Exists

[ding]

By virtue of the second law of thermodynamics matter and energy must have a beginning.

By virtue of the First Law of Thermodynamics ENERGY has no beginning or end. You have NO knowledge if the SLoT.

We've been over this before.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And how does something exist on a "spirit" level?

Only physical existence can beget essence, "spirit."
The composer must physically exist first before his "spirit" lives in his composition.

And how do you "know" this?

 

[frigidweirdo]

What most concerning about atheists is most cannot grasp simple reality. Humans lack much perception, I suspect atheists are the least perceptive of the bunch.

Yet we're supposed to take their word that something of faith or spirit cannot exist (COUGH!)

And why are they the "least perceptive"?

 

[ding]

That's pretty ironic considering that Gregor Mendel - a 19th century Augustinian monk - is widely considered to be the father of genetics, don't you think?

Except he only became a monk to get an education, as many poor boys did back then. He was a "monk" in name only and admitted he had no "calling" to the church.

In 1853, upon completing his studies at the University of Vienna, Mendel returned to the monastery in Brno and was given a teaching position at a secondary school, where he would stay for more than a decade. It was during this time that he began the experiments for which he is best known.

Gregor Mendel - Life, Experiments & Facts

Gregor Mendel was an Austrian monk who discovered the basic principles of heredity through experiments in his garden. Mendel's observations became the foundation of modern genetics and the study of heredity, and he is widely considered a pioneer in the field of genetics.

www.biography.com

 

[ding]

I am the Bread of Life (John 6:35)
I am the Light of the World (John 8:12)
I am the Door (John 10:9)
I am the Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
I am the Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25)
I am the Way and the Truth and the Life (John 14:6)
I am the Vine (John 15:1,5)

I am the offspring of Lucifer. (Rev 22:16)

Rev 22: 16 I, Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

KJV - Lucifer 1; 1
Lucifer = "light-bearer"
1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer

The Apocalypse, or Revelation to John, the last book of the Bible, is one of the most difficult to understand because it abounds in unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism, which at best appears unusual to the modern reader. Symbolic language, however, is one of the chief characteristics of apocalyptic literature, of which this book is an outstanding example. Such literature enjoyed wide popularity in both Jewish and Christian circles from ca. 200 B.C. to A.D. 200.

This book contains an account of visions in symbolic and allegorical language borrowed extensively from the Old Testament, especially Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Daniel. Whether or not these visions were real experiences of the author or simply literary conventions employed by him is an open question.

This much, however, is certain: symbolic descriptions are not to be taken as literal descriptions, nor is the symbolism meant to be pictured realistically. One would find it difficult and repulsive to visualize a lamb with seven horns and seven eyes; yet Jesus Christ is described in precisely such words (Rev 5:6). The author used these images to suggest Christ’s universal (seven) power (horns) and knowledge (eyes). A significant feature of apocalyptic writing is the use of symbolic colors, metals, garments (Rev 1:13–16; 3:18; 4:4; 6:1–8; 17:4; 19:8), and numbers (four signifies the world, six imperfection, seven totality or perfection, twelve Israel’s tribes or the apostles, one thousand immensity). Finally the vindictive language in the book (Rev 6:9–10; 18:1–19:4) is also to be understood symbolically and not literally. The cries for vengeance on the lips of Christian martyrs that sound so harsh are in fact literary devices the author employed to evoke in the reader and hearer a feeling of horror for apostasy and rebellion that will be severely punished by God.

The lurid descriptions of the punishment of Jezebel (Rev 2:22) and of the destruction of the great harlot, Babylon (Rev 16:9–19:2), are likewise literary devices. The metaphor of Babylon as harlot would be wrongly construed if interpreted literally. On the other hand, the stylized figure of the woman clothed with the sun (Rev 12:1–6), depicting the New Israel, may seem to be a negative stereotype. It is necessary to look beyond the literal meaning to see that these images mean to convey a sense of God’s wrath at sin in the former case and trust in God’s providential care over the church in the latter.

The Book of Revelation cannot be adequately understood except against the historical background that occasioned its writing. Like Daniel and other apocalypses, it was composed as resistance literature to meet a crisis. The book itself suggests that the crisis was ruthless persecution of the early church by the Roman authorities; the harlot Babylon symbolizes pagan Rome, the city on seven hills (Rev 17:9). The book is, then, an exhortation and admonition to Christians of the first century to stand firm in the faith and to avoid compromise with paganism, despite the threat of adversity and martyrdom; they are to await patiently the fulfillment of God’s mighty promises. The triumph of God in the world of men and women remains a mystery, to be accepted in faith and longed for in hope. It is a triumph that unfolded in the history of Jesus of Nazareth and continues to unfold in the history of the individual Christian who follows the way of the cross, even, if necessary, to a martyr’s death.

Though the perspective is eschatological—ultimate salvation and victory are said to take place at the end of the present age when Christ will come in glory at the parousia—the book presents the decisive struggle of Christ and his followers against Satan and his cohorts as already over. Christ’s overwhelming defeat of the kingdom of Satan ushered in the everlasting reign of God (Rev 11:15; 12:10). Even the forces of evil unwittingly carry out the divine plan (Rev 17:17), for God is the sovereign Lord of history.

The Book of Revelation had its origin in a time of crisis, but it remains valid and meaningful for Christians of all time. In the face of apparently insuperable evil, either from within or from without, all Christians are called to trust in Jesus’ promise, “Behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age” (Mt 28:20). Those who remain steadfast in their faith and confidence in the risen Lord need have no fear. Suffering, persecution, even death by martyrdom, though remaining impenetrable mysteries of evil, do not comprise an absurd dead end. No matter what adversity or sacrifice Christians may endure, they will in the end triumph over Satan and his forces because of their fidelity to Christ the victor. This is the enduring message of the book; it is a message of hope and consolation and challenge for all who dare to believe.

The author of the book calls himself John (Rev 1:1, 4, 9; 22:8), who because of his Christian faith has been exiled to the rocky island of Patmos, a Roman penal colony. Although he never claims to be John the apostle, whose name is attached to the fourth gospel, he was so identified by several of the early church Fathers, including Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, and Hippolytus. This identification, however, was denied by other Fathers, including Denis of Alexandria, Eusebius of Caesarea, Cyril of Jerusalem, Gregory Nazianzen, and John Chrysostom. Indeed, vocabulary, grammar, and style make it doubtful that the book could have been put into its present form by the same person(s) responsible for the fourth gospel. Nevertheless, there are definite linguistic and theological affinities between the two books. The tone of the letters to the seven churches (Rev 1:4–3:22) is indicative of the great authority the author enjoyed over the Christian communities in Asia. It is possible, therefore, that he was a disciple of John the apostle, who is traditionally associated with that part of the world. The date of the book in its present form is probably near the end of the reign of Domitian (A.D. 81–96), a fierce persecutor of the Christians.

 

[Slade3200]

One thing also is human sight is quite limited regarding the entire spectrum; many animals see beyond what humans can see right in front of their faces. Quite bizarre really, thinking in these terms of sight/light limitations about various unknowns.

Probably because they don't have a sense of self like humans do. That kind of gets in the way of being.

How do you know that animals don’t have a sense of self?

I didn't say they had no sense of self. I said they don't have a sense of self like humans do.

In what way is it significant whether they have a sense of self like humans or not?

That it can impede our ability to see reality.

Isnt everybody’s sense of reality different?

 

[ding]

One thing also is human sight is quite limited regarding the entire spectrum; many animals see beyond what humans can see right in front of their faces. Quite bizarre really, thinking in these terms of sight/light limitations about various unknowns.

Probably because they don't have a sense of self like humans do. That kind of gets in the way of being.

How do you know that animals don’t have a sense of self?

I didn't say they had no sense of self. I said they don't have a sense of self like humans do.

In what way is it significant whether they have a sense of self like humans or not?

That it can impede our ability to see reality.

Isnt everybody’s sense of reality different?

That depends upon if they are being subjective or objective.

 

[Slade3200]

One thing also is human sight is quite limited regarding the entire spectrum; many animals see beyond what humans can see right in front of their faces. Quite bizarre really, thinking in these terms of sight/light limitations about various unknowns.

Probably because they don't have a sense of self like humans do. That kind of gets in the way of being.

How do you know that animals don’t have a sense of self?

I didn't say they had no sense of self. I said they don't have a sense of self like humans do.

In what way is it significant whether they have a sense of self like humans or not?

That it can impede our ability to see reality.

Isnt everybody’s sense of reality different?

That depends upon if they are being subjective or objective.

Wouldn't the answer be the same for both?

 

[ding]

One thing also is human sight is quite limited regarding the entire spectrum; many animals see beyond what humans can see right in front of their faces. Quite bizarre really, thinking in these terms of sight/light limitations about various unknowns.

Probably because they don't have a sense of self like humans do. That kind of gets in the way of being.

How do you know that animals don’t have a sense of self?

I didn't say they had no sense of self. I said they don't have a sense of self like humans do.

In what way is it significant whether they have a sense of self like humans or not?

That it can impede our ability to see reality.

Isnt everybody’s sense of reality different?

That depends upon if they are being subjective or objective.

Wouldn't the answer be the same for both?

No. Because the definition of reality is the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. Being objective is how one sees the world or the state of things as it actually exists. Whereas being subjective leads to seeing the world or state of things in an idealistic or notional way. The very definition of reality implies a final state of fact.

 

[Slade3200]

One thing also is human sight is quite limited regarding the entire spectrum; many animals see beyond what humans can see right in front of their faces. Quite bizarre really, thinking in these terms of sight/light limitations about various unknowns.

Probably because they don't have a sense of self like humans do. That kind of gets in the way of being.

How do you know that animals don’t have a sense of self?

I didn't say they had no sense of self. I said they don't have a sense of self like humans do.

In what way is it significant whether they have a sense of self like humans or not?

That it can impede our ability to see reality.

Isnt everybody’s sense of reality different?

That depends upon if they are being subjective or objective.

Wouldn't the answer be the same for both?

No. Because the definition of reality is the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. Being objective is how one sees the world or the state of things as it actually exists. Whereas being subjective leads to seeing the world or state of things in an idealistic or notional way. The very definition of reality implies a final state of fact.

Right but when you say “how things actually exist” that is just a compilation of everything’s unique perspective of it. So the situations are one in the same

 

[Batcat]

If everything just happened, then there can be no eternality of anything and no rational reason for what exists to exist unless it's always been. And science has proven that this is not the case. And philosophy rationalizes that this isn't the case. And mathematics reveals that this cannot be the case. But GOD isn't a material being. HE reveals that HE is in fact SPIRIT. Unlike all the gods of the ancients, and all the things "moderns" desire ---- which are material. SPIRIT has no beginning.

To be clear, when you refer to “god” you are speaking of some unknown and undefined thing that has always been, is that correct? You are not speaking about the god as defined by the Bible or any other organized religion. Is that right?

The Bible never defines God. That would be like a ant defining a human.

The Bible does not attempt to prove God exists or give any definition of God. Yet it does describe His nature in four ways: God is spirit - His nature is not flesh and blood. God is also light - there is no darkness in Him at all. God is also love. Finally, God's nature can be compared to a consuming fire. These four descriptions provide some insights into God's nature and character rather than giving us a definition of Him.

How Does the Bible Describe God?

There is nothing that anyone can know about God's nature unless He reveals it to humankind. Without divine revelation humanity will be in darkness.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[ding]

One thing also is human sight is quite limited regarding the entire spectrum; many animals see beyond what humans can see right in front of their faces. Quite bizarre really, thinking in these terms of sight/light limitations about various unknowns.

Probably because they don't have a sense of self like humans do. That kind of gets in the way of being.

How do you know that animals don’t have a sense of self?

I didn't say they had no sense of self. I said they don't have a sense of self like humans do.

In what way is it significant whether they have a sense of self like humans or not?

That it can impede our ability to see reality.

Isnt everybody’s sense of reality different?

That depends upon if they are being subjective or objective.

Wouldn't the answer be the same for both?

No. Because the definition of reality is the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. Being objective is how one sees the world or the state of things as it actually exists. Whereas being subjective leads to seeing the world or state of things in an idealistic or notional way. The very definition of reality implies a final state of fact.

Right but when you say “how things actually exist” that is just a compilation of everything’s unique perspective of it. So the situations are one in the same

What you are describing is perception of reality. Reality and perception of reality are not necessarily the same. But by definition, reality implies a final state of fact that is independent of perception.

If I take your thought process to it's logical conclusion, you would have to conclude there was no such thing as reality. Is that what you think? And more importantly... is that how you behave?

 

[BULLDOG]

1. What PROOF do you have that there was NOTHING before this supposed "beginning"?
Scientists THEORIZE, they don't state theories as FACT. If they do, they are CHARLATANS!
The fact that this idiot is taking science OUT of the context of theory, shows he knows NOTHING about what he's spewing!!

2. Design originates from the science fact, that when a DNA combines with other DNA, it produces a pattern that has been used previously, like a living copy machine. As far as the universe is concerned, it was shaped from star explosions, planet and sun gravity, and numerous other scientific works. To think that everything is based on a "supernatural" entity is ludicrous and nothing more than a crutch for refusing to see reality, and spreading more lies.

3. Life. Wow, this guy is delusional to the point of needing to be put in a rubber room!
Life evolved from chemicals that settled on this rock from meteors and other fragments, starting a chain reaction of embryonic proportions.

4. Morals are a human concept. There is nothing extraterrestrial about them. Just as what is "right" and what is "wrong" are human concepts, created by humans to enslave other humans to the will of those in charge. Just like the fantasy story you call the Bible!

5. Atheism is NOT based on materialism, but Catholicism is!!! Free will is a another human concept that really can only exist if there are NO laws and no one in power to maintain a particular thought or agenda in human society. Since humans have created laws and agendas for society to live by, there can be NO free will.

6. Reasoning is only a side effect of language and society being used to create and help society, and its members, make decisions without beating each other over the head with sticks.

This guy is basically saying, that some phantom somewhere, hiding in plain sight, has his puppet strings attached to everything in the universe, all puppeting everything all at once.

This jerk is taking it upon himself to act like the universal reservoir of ultimate knowledge!
He's GOT to be a Democrat.......thinking he knows EVERYTHING there is to know about EVERYTHING!!!


Society DEMANDS that this lunatic be locked up for our safety!!

I agree with much of what you said except #4. Morals are a human concept, but instead of enslaving others, I think they might be inherent in human nature and were the result of recognition of what works best in a society. People don't always behave morally, but most can recognize what the moral choice is. Religion certainly isn't necessary for morality to exist..

 

[Hollie]

The atheist brigade can't help themselves. Their demon masters sent them!

What most concerning about atheists is most cannot grasp simple reality. Humans lack much perception, I suspect atheists are the least perceptive of the bunch.

Yet we're supposed to take their word that something of faith or spirit cannot exist (COUGH!)

You may choose to live your life in trembling fear of spirits and demons and things that go bump in the night but why would you think others would accept that?

 

[LittleNipper]

It's the height of idiocy to suggest that, if someone can't explain with another reason, that it's all because of "God".

How silly.

Just try getting a Christian to acknowledge that something other than their idea of their Christian God could've done it, and they lose their shit.

Enjoy your faith. But, remember, it's called "faith" for a reason...

You also need to consider that when someone suggests that their reason is "scientific" and not a matter of faith...

 

[LittleNipper]

If everything just happened, then there can be no eternality of anything and no rational reason for what exists to exist unless it's always been. And science has proven that this is not the case. And philosophy rationalizes that this isn't the case. And mathematics reveals that this cannot be the case. But GOD isn't a material being. HE reveals that HE is in fact SPIRIT. Unlike all the gods of the ancients, and all the things "moderns" desire ---- which are material. SPIRIT has no beginning.

And how does something exist on a "spirit" level? It seems like a made up level that people can feel warm and fuzzy about because humans are emotional beings.

Something is a spirit ----- it doesn't need to become one. How did you become human?

 

[LittleNipper]

1. What PROOF do you have that there was NOTHING before this supposed "beginning"?
Scientists THEORIZE, they don't state theories as FACT. If they do, they are CHARLATANS!
The fact that this idiot is taking science OUT of the context of theory, shows he knows NOTHING about what he's spewing!!

2. Design originates from the science fact, that when a DNA combines with other DNA, it produces a pattern that has been used previously, like a living copy machine. As far as the universe is concerned, it was shaped from star explosions, planet and sun gravity, and numerous other scientific works. To think that everything is based on a "supernatural" entity is ludicrous and nothing more than a crutch for refusing to see reality, and spreading more lies.

3. Life. Wow, this guy is delusional to the point of needing to be put in a rubber room!
Life evolved from chemicals that settled on this rock from meteors and other fragments, starting a chain reaction of embryonic proportions.

4. Morals are a human concept. There is nothing extraterrestrial about them. Just as what is "right" and what is "wrong" are human concepts, created by humans to enslave other humans to the will of those in charge. Just like the fantasy story you call the Bible!

5. Atheism is NOT based on materialism, but Catholicism is!!! Free will is a another human concept that really can only exist if there are NO laws and no one in power to maintain a particular thought or agenda in human society. Since humans have created laws and agendas for society to live by, there can be NO free will.

6. Reasoning is only a side effect of language and society being used to create and help society, and its members, make decisions without beating each other over the head with sticks.

This guy is basically saying, that some phantom somewhere, hiding in plain sight, has his puppet strings attached to everything in the universe, all puppeting everything all at once.

This jerk is taking it upon himself to act like the universal reservoir of ultimate knowledge!
He's GOT to be a Democrat.......thinking he knows EVERYTHING there is to know about EVERYTHING!!!


Society DEMANDS that this lunatic be locked up for our safety!!

DNA doesn't come from rocks or lightning. Free will says that I will do what I wish regardless of the consequences. Atheism says what consequences?

 

[Meriweather]

And why are they the "least perceptive"?

Have you been able to perceive that you are something more than physical cells interacting with one another? Can you identify which is of the body, of the mind, or the spirit in yourself?

 

[LittleNipper]

If everything just happened, then there can be no eternality of anything and no rational reason for what exists to exist unless it's always been. And science has proven that this is not the case. And philosophy rationalizes that this isn't the case. And mathematics reveals that this cannot be the case. But GOD isn't a material being. HE reveals that HE is in fact SPIRIT. Unlike all the gods of the ancients, and all the things "moderns" desire ---- which are material. SPIRIT has no beginning.

1) The universe must have a cause.

Er... why? This makes no sense at all.

And he uses the law of cause and effect to "prove" this, what a joke.

He tries to attack a singularity because it popped into existence from nothing. But he has no problem with a God popping into existence from nothing.

He also says that everything has to be scientific. While talking about a God. What a joke.

Is there any point going on?

Do you have an automobile? Did you buy it or did it just appear in your driveway? Has it always existed or was it designed and manufactured? I do hope this help to clear things up for you...

 

[LittleNipper]

If everything just happened, then there can be no eternality of anything and no rational reason for what exists to exist unless it's always been. And science has proven that this is not the case. And philosophy rationalizes that this isn't the case. And mathematics reveals that this cannot be the case. But GOD isn't a material being. HE reveals that HE is in fact SPIRIT. Unlike all the gods of the ancients, and all the things "moderns" desire ---- which are material. SPIRIT has no beginning.

YouTube is where I go to learn about spirits, supernatural entities and things that go bump in the night.

I learned it on TELEVISION watching ONE STEP BEYOND.