8Hr workday? Weekends? Thank Henry Ford and Capitalism!

[NYcarbineer]

[Q

I agree completely. Unions have and do sometimes engage in counter productive cuntery. IMO they should only engage in reasonable bargaining with employers to find a happy medium that all parties benefit from. Perhaps more regulation to narrow the scope of unions is required but throwing them out or making it impossible for them to operate at all is dangerous to the working class and the economy.

Tghe problem I have with union is twofold.

First is that use political influence to gain them bloated concession that they could not have got in a reasonable negotiation with management. That is corruption and it is despicable and a great example of greed.

Second is that unions demand that union participation be mandatory and that is against the concept of freedom.

Third is that unions protect the lazy assholes that don't deserve a job because they have no responsibility. That is wrong on any level.

Some companies may chose to deal with collective barging and that is OK. However, it should never be forced by the government.

Unions represent the greed and selfishness of America, There is no reasonableness to it.

Unions are not the problem now. The concessions that would be needed to bring manufacturing back are far beyond a union/non-union issue.

Try to get manufacturing of electronics for example, or clothing, back to the US.

Ask the corporations what wage they have to be able to pay in order to put that manufacturing back in the US.

See what they'd be willing to pay Americans in an American factory to replace Vietnamese textile workers in a factory in Vietnam,

workers making a $100 a month.

 

[Flash]

How come these stupid Libtards have such a hard time understanding basic economics?

They don't understand that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

They think if you take money away from one consumer and give it away through government interference to a welfare queen, illegal alien or inefficient government contract under Davis Bacon rules that somehow wealth is magically created.

Dumbasses!

 

[initforme]

A snmart worker is always looking for better employment and they let their bosses know. The second a better offer comes its out the door, goodbye. 2 weeks notice is not something a worker owes his employer. No more loyalty. Those days are thankfully long gone, even if you leave your employer hanging.

 

[Flash]

[Q

I agree completely. Unions have and do sometimes engage in counter productive cuntery. IMO they should only engage in reasonable bargaining with employers to find a happy medium that all parties benefit from. Perhaps more regulation to narrow the scope of unions is required but throwing them out or making it impossible for them to operate at all is dangerous to the working class and the economy.

Tghe problem I have with union is twofold.

First is that use political influence to gain them bloated concession that they could not have got in a reasonable negotiation with management. That is corruption and it is despicable and a great example of greed.

Second is that unions demand that union participation be mandatory and that is against the concept of freedom.

Third is that unions protect the lazy assholes that don't deserve a job because they have no responsibility. That is wrong on any level.

Some companies may chose to deal with collective barging and that is OK. However, it should never be forced by the government.

Unions represent the greed and selfishness of America, There is no reasonableness to it.

Unions are not the problem now. The concessions that would be needed to bring manufacturing back are far beyond a union/non-union issue.

Try to get manufacturing of electronics for example, or clothing, back to the US.

Ask the corporations what wage they have to be able to pay in order to put that manufacturing back in the US.

See what they'd be willing to pay Americans in an American factory to replace Vietnamese textile workers in a factory in Vietnam,

workers making a $100 a month.

The way to make America great again is to stop excessive taxation, government interference in free markets, reduce oppressive regulation, reduce the size of government (especially the welfare state), and to understand that capitalism is the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg.

We would have zero unemployment, much higher family income and tremendous economic growth.

Stop government interference would include protecting the greedy unions, who are a tremendous drag on our economy and the source of destruction of our manufacturing economy.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

[Q


That was supposed to say "many more" not 5 . How many companies have gone bankrupt because of unions ?

Numerous ones like the steel industry.

GM and Chrysler would have gone bankrupt if the filthy ass government hadn't given them $50 billion. That was because of the UAW. The same bunch of butt pirates that gave hundreds of millions to Obama in 2008.

Many companies didn't go bankrupt but moved their labor out of the US because of bloated union cost. Carrier is the latest example.

Unions, oppressive regulations and high taxation (all championed by stupid Liberals) have destroyed the American economy and that is why we have such dismal economic growth.

SIMPLY THE WORST=> Obama is First President Ever to Not See Single Year of 3% GDP Growth

SIMPLY THE WORST=> Obama is First President Ever to Not See Single Year of 3% GDP Growth

This post illustrates exactly the abject ignorance of the RW media driven narrative and their internet lackeys.

On the one hand they argue against any suggestion of taking any action on wage stagnation or inequity. They hate unions with a passion and wish to see them gone entirely. So what mechanism is left to put upward pressure on wages?

On the other hand they endlessly lament the slow recovery and anemic growth with full throated, red faced diatribes against Obama.
Herein lies the idiocy.

The largest component of the GDP, 70%, is consumer spending. The largest component of consumer spending is wages. Wages alone is 45% of GDP. Just for scope, 90% of consumers in America make less than 100K. So the largest group of Americans make up the largest share of GDP and their personal incomes are not keeping pace with the growth in other components of the GDP. Why are they surprised then that over all growth is only 3%? Obviously stimulating the largest portion of the GDP will yield the largest return. Yet they continue to defend business even though they are directly responsible for wages and corporate profits only account for 12.5% of GDP.

It's a stunning display of how easily their ignorance is used against them by the RW media who hammers these ridiculous ideas into their heads day after day. They have absolutely no critical thinking ability. Trump all the way!

It always amazes me how ignorant Libtards are when it comes to economics. It would be nice if you Moon Bats could take a course in economics one day instead of always spouting ignorant Left talking points.

The best way to stimulate the economy is get the government off the backs of the job producers.

High taxation and oppressive regulations are the major impediments to job creations.

The filthy ass government doesn't produce jackshit. It only takes money that has already been made and spends as directed by the politicians that were elected by special interest groups and that usually produces disastrous results like we saw with Obama's failed Stimulus package and his disastrous Obamacare.

Artificial wages like what is created when the filthy ass government dictates higher wages or protects bloated union wages does nothing to stimulate the economy because the consumer spending by the welfare queens and union pukes is taken from other sources that would have produced other jobs.

Conservatives argue that the way to create wealth is make the economic pie bigger by having less government interference and lower taxation.

Stupid uneducated Liberals thinks that somehow wealth is magically created by dividing up the pie in more equal pieces and that is bullshit. Always has been and always will be. In fact that mindset is the destroyer of economies. Just look at Greece and Venezuela as recent examples.

It would be nice if you Moon Bats could take a course in economics one day instead of always spouting ignorant Left talking points.

I did. I took four semesters of econ, aced each one. Anyone who did knows you're full of shit. You couldn't pass the first quiz in your first semester with the crap you spout.

The best way to stimulate the economy is get the government off the backs of the job producers.

High taxation and oppressive regulations are the major impediments to job creations.

This is the dumbest lie of the century. If taxation and regulation were as terrible as you make out, then how is it that corporate profits are and have been for quite some time, at or near record levels each quarter?
Obviously they aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

Artificial wages like what is created when the filthy ass government dictates higher wages or protects bloated union wages does nothing to stimulate the economy because the consumer spending by the welfare queens and union pukes is taken from other sources that would have produced other jobs.

Unintelligible nonsense.

Conservatives argue that the way to create wealth is make the economic pie bigger by having less government interference and lower taxation.

It's a stupid argument.

Stupid uneducated Liberals thinks that somehow wealth is magically created by dividing up the pie in more equal pieces and that is bullshit. Always has been and always will be. In fact that mindset is the destroyer of economies. Just look at Greece and Venezuela as recent examples.

More unintelligible nonsense.
I'm talking about raising wages.

 

[initforme]

Yes unions are a drag on our economy. $15 is a good wage. In reality, $15 per hour is NOTHING...got it? Moron you are.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

[Q

I agree completely. Unions have and do sometimes engage in counter productive cuntery. IMO they should only engage in reasonable bargaining with employers to find a happy medium that all parties benefit from. Perhaps more regulation to narrow the scope of unions is required but throwing them out or making it impossible for them to operate at all is dangerous to the working class and the economy.

Tghe problem I have with union is twofold.

First is that use political influence to gain them bloated concession that they could not have got in a reasonable negotiation with management. That is corruption and it is despicable and a great example of greed.

Second is that unions demand that union participation be mandatory and that is against the concept of freedom.

Third is that unions protect the lazy assholes that don't deserve a job because they have no responsibility. That is wrong on any level.

Some companies may chose to deal with collective barging and that is OK. However, it should never be forced by the government.

Unions represent the greed and selfishness of America, There is no reasonableness to it.

Unions are not the problem now. The concessions that would be needed to bring manufacturing back are far beyond a union/non-union issue.

Try to get manufacturing of electronics for example, or clothing, back to the US.

Ask the corporations what wage they have to be able to pay in order to put that manufacturing back in the US.

See what they'd be willing to pay Americans in an American factory to replace Vietnamese textile workers in a factory in Vietnam,

workers making a $100 a month.

The way to make America great again is to stop excessive taxation, government interference in free markets, reduce oppressive regulation, reduce the size of government (especially the welfare state), and to understand that capitalism is the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg.

We would have zero unemployment, much higher family income and tremendous economic growth.

Stop government interference would include protecting the greedy unions, who are a tremendous drag on our economy and the source of destruction of our manufacturing economy.

A nearly perfect regurgitation of any daily RW media broadcast. Totally lacking any substance.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

[Q

I agree completely. Unions have and do sometimes engage in counter productive cuntery. IMO they should only engage in reasonable bargaining with employers to find a happy medium that all parties benefit from. Perhaps more regulation to narrow the scope of unions is required but throwing them out or making it impossible for them to operate at all is dangerous to the working class and the economy.

The problem I have with union is twofold.

First is that use political influence to gain them bloated concession that they could not have got in a reasonable negotiation with management. That is corruption and it is despicable and a great example of greed.

Second is that unions demand that union participation be mandatory and that is against the concept of freedom.

Third is that unions protect the lazy assholes that don't deserve a job because they have no responsibility. That is wrong on any level.

Some companies may chose to deal with collective barging and that is OK. However, it should never be forced by the government.

Unions represent the greed and selfishness of America, There is no reasonableness to it.

That's basically what I said. Would you feel the same way if they were better regulated so as to eliminate the more problematic behaviors?

 

[initforme]

Considering American workers produce the most and complain the least, wages are stagnant.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

How come these stupid Libtards have such a hard time understanding basic economics?

They don't understand that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

They think if you take money away from one consumer and give it away through government interference to a welfare queen, illegal alien or inefficient government contract under Davis Bacon rules that somehow wealth is magically created.

Dumbasses!

Because what you're saying isn't basic economics.

 

[Norman]

If Hutch has ever took econ classes, either it was at a Marxist university or that knowledge (including the knowledge of how to add / subtract, as proven a few posts ago) is long gone.

 

[my2¢]

I give the labor movement prior to WWII, the government and Henry Ford the credit they deserve. The trouble with labor unions is that they grew corrupt and lazy. Instead of picking the low hanging fruit in America in the 50's and 60's, union leadership should have been expanding the movement internationally.

Here's how the 40-hour workweek became the standard in America

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If Hutch has ever took econ classes, either it was at a Marxist university or that knowledge (including the knowledge of how to add / subtract, as proven a few posts ago) is long gone.

Dude you can't say you're making a sound economic argument while ignoring 50% of the GDP.

 

[Norman]

If Hutch has ever took econ classes, either it was at a Marxist university or that knowledge (including the knowledge of how to add / subtract, as proven a few posts ago) is long gone.

Dude you can't say you're making a sound economic argument while ignoring 50% of the GDP.

I am not ignoring 50% of the GDP. I have tried to ignore your ignorance as best I can, but it doesn't seem to be working, you just grow dumber every post!

Basically your idea seems to be this: Forcibly take money from the productive people and funnel it to the underachievers. Everyone knows where this will lead in the long run. You can go verify the results in Greece.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[Q

I agree completely. Unions have and do sometimes engage in counter productive cuntery. IMO they should only engage in reasonable bargaining with employers to find a happy medium that all parties benefit from. Perhaps more regulation to narrow the scope of unions is required but throwing them out or making it impossible for them to operate at all is dangerous to the working class and the economy.

Tghe problem I have with union is twofold.

First is that use political influence to gain them bloated concession that they could not have got in a reasonable negotiation with management. That is corruption and it is despicable and a great example of greed.

Second is that unions demand that union participation be mandatory and that is against the concept of freedom.

Third is that unions protect the lazy assholes that don't deserve a job because they have no responsibility. That is wrong on any level.

Some companies may chose to deal with collective barging and that is OK. However, it should never be forced by the government.

Unions represent the greed and selfishness of America, There is no reasonableness to it.

Unions are not the problem now. The concessions that would be needed to bring manufacturing back are far beyond a union/non-union issue.

Try to get manufacturing of electronics for example, or clothing, back to the US.

Ask the corporations what wage they have to be able to pay in order to put that manufacturing back in the US.

See what they'd be willing to pay Americans in an American factory to replace Vietnamese textile workers in a factory in Vietnam,

workers making a $100 a month.

The way to make America great again is to stop excessive taxation, government interference in free markets, reduce oppressive regulation, reduce the size of government (especially the welfare state), and to understand that capitalism is the Goose that Laid the Golden Egg.

We would have zero unemployment, much higher family income and tremendous economic growth.

Stop government interference would include protecting the greedy unions, who are a tremendous drag on our economy and the source of destruction of our manufacturing economy.

We're already taxing half a trillion below what's needed to run the government.

Unions are no drag on our economy.

Free markets means that the $100/month textile worker in Vietnam gets to compete directly with any American who might hope to work in that industry.

In short, you're an idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The 8 hour day as law did not come from Henry Ford. What nonsense.

Funny - when it suits your ideology - "PolitiFact" is the gospel. When it doesn't, suddenly the site is unreliable "nonsense".

CEO's don't make legislation into law idiot.

Funny....I've heard you personally bitch about CEO's and Wall Street controlling Congress, the government, and the U.S. Now, suddenly when that doesn't suite the needs of your current argument, it magically disappears.

Come back when you know how a bill becomes law.

The fact that you don't know is what is worrisome. You've spent years telling everyone here how the "evil" corporations are running the government. Now you're trying to back track on those statements since they don't fit your agenda this particular time. Why the lack of consistency? Either you were lying then or you are lying now. Care to tell us which time you were lying?

Ford was the exception to the rule. That's why GOVERNMENT had to intervene.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Then how come some many companies go bankrupt having to pay extorted union wages?

How come so many American companies are forced to go elsewhere to get their labor?

Some of them even have to get bailed out by the fucking government.

Greed always works out to be a bad thing and just remember Moon Bat, "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

Bloated union wages, higher than the free labor market wages, creates a false unsustainable economy that is always destined for failure. If you don't believe me ask General Motors.

How many big Democrat controlled cities in non right to work states are in serious trouble because of bloated union wages?

Despicable unions create an artificial bloated labor rate, especially when they are protected by a corrupt government whose leaders are in the back pocket of the filthy unions. You know like Obama.

Only an asshole would join an union. Are you an asshole?

Ok, start a non-union business and bring back electronic manufacturing to the US. Build some American made televisions, for instance.

Why would anyone pay 5 times as much for a TV made here than the one they can already buy that was made in China?

Because we shouldn't be buying tv's made in china stupid. They don't buy tv's made here so why do we buy tv's that are made there? I understand why you do. Because you are a cheap ass who wants a cheap tv more than you do a booming economy.

I want the best quality for the best price and that ain't a TV that is built here,

I would rather pay less and save more money for my retirement than pay 5 times as much for something that isn't as good just because it says made in the USA

China's better than us? Maybe that's why you don't have a candidate running this year? Go suck a kasich and shove it up your cruz

They make better TVs is all I said and I never have a candidate running because I refuse to vote for either dimwitcraps or repugnantcans

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why would anyone pay 5 times as much for a TV made here than the one they can already buy that was made in China?

Because we shouldn't be buying tv's made in china stupid. They don't buy tv's made here so why do we buy tv's that are made there? I understand why you do. Because you are a cheap ass who wants a cheap tv more than you do a booming economy.

And yet I'll bet you're the first asshole who picks up the cheapest crap he can while complaining about price.
IN any case the market has spoken. And Americans wont spend 5 times the amount on American made. Nor should they.

Shouldn't we just manufacturers here pay 3rd world wages and be done with it?

We don't need manufacturing jobs what don't you understand about that?

But hey if you want them so badly why don't you open up a manufacturing plant and show us all how it's done

Fucking right wing moron who doesn't have a clue how important manufacturing is.

I can't even take you seriously. What side of your mouth will you talk out of next?

The trend is a move towards service jobs Moron
If you want a job and a good job then concentrate on things that can't be moved offshore or where you can't be replaced by a low skill low wage worker

It's not rocket science all you have to do is look around.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I guess you don't know that American car manufacturers are opening factories in Mexico GM Ford and Chrysler for example

And soon there will be even more "American" cars made in Mexico than in the US

Aren't they all moving to places in the South where they run non-union plants?

Are you saying even that can't keep the jobs here?

Do you think Mexican wages here in the US would keep the jobs here?

I really don't care.
We do not have to have a large manufacturing base anymore. We are and have been on the road to a service based economy for a long time nowServices, Not Manufacturing, Will Revive The U.S. Workforce

Thinking that we need to revive manufacturing is obsolete thinking

We don't have manufacturing because we let foreign manufacture at dirt cheap wages into this country with little or no penalty.

Good job losing this debate, loser.

You mean we can't compete unless the government raises the prices on foreign goods?

We can't compete against businesses playing by a different set of rules.

Then why compete in that area at all?

There are plenty of areas of the economy where we can compete and compete well but you people insist on manufacturing where we obviously can't compete

 

[Skull Pilot]

A snmart worker is always looking for better employment and they let their bosses know. The second a better offer comes its out the door, goodbye. 2 weeks notice is not something a worker owes his employer. No more loyalty. Those days are thankfully long gone, even if you leave your employer hanging.

If you leave every employer you ever has hanging the you may never get a reference again
A notice and an effort to leave on good terms is a small price to pay for your reputation as a conscientious employee