9 out of 10 Americans completely wrong

[ELITEofWarman8]

So, we all should go to Communism?

Apparently you weren't paying attention.

I was. Maybe I miss it, did you answer my question?

It is kind of funny Sallow derided the conservative "lottery mentality" which happens to be "pay to play" yet seems not to have a clue about the liberal "lottery mentality" which is nothing more than "let others pay so you can play"

Immie

I'm just glad I've never had to go before someone like kg to beg for help. Seeing as how she's a social worker, actually makes money off of providing aid to people yet believes every single person who comes to her for aid is LYING!

Then calls me the site welfare queen? Why? Because my youngest son is low functioning autism and 26 years old and we managed to finally get him in a home paid for by the state. If that makes me the site welfare queen, so be it.

KG shouldn't call you a "welfare queen".
But why do think it is the states responsibility (tax payer) to support your son?
I didn't cause his autism. I'm not the fault of his condition. Why do you think it is my responsibility to provide for him?

I agree. I have a certain health condition, but no one is going to pay for my house when I get one several years from now (hopefully anyhow). So why should we provide for your child? He is your son, not ours. Just like if I am driving, I am careful where kids are playing and I will go slow, but if parents are nearby and not paying attention which has happen a few times, and a kid runs out in front of me, if I hit the kid because I have no time to stop, not my fault or problem. I would feel really bad, but it is how it is. I feel bad for you, but again, why should we provide for your son?

 

[Mertex]

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact - YouTube

Check out this video. What we believe is reality in wealth distribution isn't even close. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7% of our nations wealth. 7%!

I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

I pity most of the conservatives, who don't realize they are part of the disappearing middle-class and root for giving the rich even more tax cuts, subsidies, loopholes, tax shelters and claim they are already paying enough taxes!

 

[westwall]

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact - YouTube

Check out this video. What we believe is reality in wealth distribution isn't even close. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7% of our nations wealth. 7%!

I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

I pity most of the conservatives, who don't realize they are part of the disappearing middle-class and root for giving the rich even more tax cuts, subsidies, loopholes, tax shelters and claim they are already paying enough taxes!

Government is destroying the middle class buckwheat. Entitlement programs need to be paid for. The rich hire lobbyists, or are themselves the very politicians writing the laws that affect all of us. Only they write exclusions for themselves.

Below is just one example of political corruption in action....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tULo8Tar0]60 MINUTES congressional insider trading - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mertex]

It's not a matter of defending, I think most people are just completely unaware of the implications. That, and most conservatives live in the "lottery mentality" meaning that their wealth is just a lottery ticket away!

What? then explain this... notice all the blue states
MediaPost Publications Who Buys Lottery Tickets? 11/12/2012

n which adults who bought a lottery ticket in
the last 12 months reside: 1. New York, NY 2. Detroit, MI 3. Atlanta, GA 4. Hartford & New Haven, CT 5. Syracuse, NY 6. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 7. Springfield-Holyoke, MA 8. Cleveland-Akron (Canton), OH 9. Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York, PA 10. Miami-Ft.

You kinda missed the point..

That's why they are conservatives!

 

[ELITEofWarman8]

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact - YouTube

Check out this video. What we believe is reality in wealth distribution isn't even close. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7% of our nations wealth. 7%!

I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

I pity most of the conservatives, who don't realize they are part of the disappearing middle-class and root for giving the rich even more tax cuts, subsidies, loopholes, tax shelters and claim they are already paying enough taxes!

Government is destroying the middle class buckwheat. Entitlement programs need to be paid for. The rich hire lobbyists, or are themselves the very politicians writing the laws that affect all of us. Only they write exclusions for themselves.

Below is just one example of political corruption in action....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tULo8Tar0]60 MINUTES congressional insider trading - YouTube[/ame]

Well, Technically, no one is entitled to anything in life .

 

[Mertex]

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact - YouTube

Check out this video. What we believe is reality in wealth distribution isn't even close. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7% of our nations wealth. 7%!

I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

I guess the bottom 80% need to start saving more.

Now that's brilliant. I guess they could give up food, to save 80% of what little they make?

 

[Mertex]

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact - YouTube

Check out this video. What we believe is reality in wealth distribution isn't even close. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7% of our nations wealth. 7%!

I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

I pity most of the conservatives, who don't realize they are part of the disappearing middle-class and root for giving the rich even more tax cuts, subsidies, loopholes, tax shelters and claim they are already paying enough taxes!

Government is destroying the middle class buckwheat. Entitlement programs need to be paid for. The rich hire lobbyists, or are themselves the very politicians writing the laws that affect all of us. Only they write exclusions for themselves.

Below is just one example of political corruption in action....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tULo8Tar0]60 MINUTES congressional insider trading - YouTube[/ame]

That's true, both parties in Congress seem to participate in "shady" operations, but I'm talking about regular people - conservative voters defend the tax cuts for the wealthy, defend the Romney's paying tax rates of 15% instead of 25% like the rest of us. If conservatives didn't go along with the GOP policies that favor the rich, perhaps we could make some progress?

And cutting some of the entitlement programs that cost a measly sum compared to what is given to corporations, would end up hurting us more in the long run.

 

[RKMBrown]

What is really broke is the large percentages od Americans who work full time yet do not make enough money to support their families needs for food, shelter, education and healthcare for their families

All while the wealthiest 1% accumulate a larger and larger slice of the pie

Why is that an issue? What makes you think one person should guaranteed to earn enough money to support all the needs and desires a large family?

I don't know anyone that's lacking for food, shelter, education, or healthcare in this country. Can you name one person?

I can name a lot of people. Go to your local community supper or food bank, you'll meet them too.

Let me get this straight. You are claiming the people at the food bank (eating food) don't have food? I'm confused. You are confusing me. Next you'll be telling me I can find people who don't have shelter at the local shelter.

 

[RKMBrown]

I think the issue is that some folks believe that everyone should have their own house, a full fridge, all the education they want, all the money for healthcare they need, spare no expense. Oh yeah and they should not have to earn any of it and we should "force" people to fund their "largesse." Don't get me wrong I'm all for voluntary assistance and doing good for people but I fail to see how making someone's life "easy" is helping them. Nah, that's crippling them for life.

 

[Againsheila]

It is kind of funny Sallow derided the conservative "lottery mentality" which happens to be "pay to play" yet seems not to have a clue about the liberal "lottery mentality" which is nothing more than "let others pay so you can play"

Immie

I'm just glad I've never had to go before someone like kg to beg for help. Seeing as how she's a social worker, actually makes money off of providing aid to people yet believes every single person who comes to her for aid is LYING!

Then calls me the site welfare queen? Why? Because my youngest son is low functioning autism and 26 years old and we managed to finally get him in a home paid for by the state. If that makes me the site welfare queen, so be it.

KG shouldn't call you a "welfare queen".
But why do think it is the states responsibility (tax payer) to support your son?
I didn't cause his autism. I'm not the fault of his condition. Why do you think it is my responsibility to provide for him?

Because as a civilized society we take care of our disabled and elderly. If you want to go back to primitive times, we can take him into the woods and leave him to die on his own, but today, we'd end up in jail for that. My husband has parkinson's, I have arthritis and other problems and we can't continue to handle an adult that disabled. He ripped out several walls in our home. Did you expect us to just let him kill us? He still would have ended up being taken care of by the state, at your expense. And of course, if we took him out into the woods, the state would have us institutionalized and you'd be paying for us instead. What exactly was my other choice? I suppose I could have aborted him, if I'd known he was going to have autism, but I didn't. I suppose I could have been a worse mother and let him wander away and drown as a child in a nearby river as happened to another autistic boy near here. I really don't understand what you want me to do here, please explain it.

 

[rightwinger]

I pity most of the conservatives, who don't realize they are part of the disappearing middle-class and root for giving the rich even more tax cuts, subsidies, loopholes, tax shelters and claim they are already paying enough taxes!

Government is destroying the middle class buckwheat. Entitlement programs need to be paid for. The rich hire lobbyists, or are themselves the very politicians writing the laws that affect all of us. Only they write exclusions for themselves.

Below is just one example of political corruption in action....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1tULo8Tar0]60 MINUTES congressional insider trading - YouTube[/ame]

Well, Technically, no one is entitled to anything in life .

You belong to a society and you are entitled to he benefits of that society

 

[Againsheila]

I think the issue is that some folks believe that everyone should have their own house, a full fridge, all the education they want, all the money for healthcare they need, spare no expense. Oh yeah and they should not have to earn any of it and we should "force" people to fund their "largesse." Don't get me wrong I'm all for voluntary assistance and doing good for people but I fail to see how making someone's life "easy" is helping them. Nah, that's crippling them for life.

No, the issue here is that 20% of our people own 83% of our wealth. You can't convince me that 80% of our people aren't working.

 

[rightwinger]

I think the issue is that some folks believe that everyone should have their own house, a full fridge, all the education they want, all the money for healthcare they need, spare no expense. Oh yeah and they should not have to earn any of it and we should "force" people to fund their "largesse." Don't get me wrong I'm all for voluntary assistance and doing good for people but I fail to see how making someone's life "easy" is helping them. Nah, that's crippling them for life.

Nobody believes that outside of right wing fantasy

 

[Againsheila]

Why is that an issue? What makes you think one person should guaranteed to earn enough money to support all the needs and desires a large family?

I don't know anyone that's lacking for food, shelter, education, or healthcare in this country. Can you name one person?

I can name a lot of people. Go to your local community supper or food bank, you'll meet them too.

Let me get this straight. You are claiming the people at the food bank (eating food) don't have food? I'm confused. You are confusing me. Next you'll be telling me I can find people who don't have shelter at the local shelter.

Have you seen the food they pass out at the food bank? It's great if you can live on starch alone. And yes, at the community supper and the church where we give out lunches, you will find many people without shelter. Even if they manage to get a tent and put it up somewhere, eventually the cops find it and bulldoze it and all their possessions and they have to start over. There are a lot of people lacking healthcare as well. One of our regulars was hit by a bus and they took him to the hospital but hospitals don't keep you until you get better and he had nowhere to go and no one to help him so he was walking around our streets with broken ribs.

We give out lunches Mon-Thurs, my friend and I do it on Mondays and we often get people who say they haven't eaten in two days. I think that's a little long to go without food, don't you?

Even the lunches we give out aren't exactly healthy. Very high in starches and salt, but at least it fills them up.

 

[auditor0007]

I think the issue is that some folks believe that everyone should have their own house, a full fridge, all the education they want, all the money for healthcare they need, spare no expense. Oh yeah and they should not have to earn any of it and we should "force" people to fund their "largesse." Don't get me wrong I'm all for voluntary assistance and doing good for people but I fail to see how making someone's life "easy" is helping them. Nah, that's crippling them for life.

You are posting to the wrong thread. This one is about the massive disparity of income between the wealthy and the rest of Americans. It has nothing to do with welfare queens and everything to do with the everyday working Joe who busts his/her ass to make ends meet.

 

[RKMBrown]

I think the issue is that some folks believe that everyone should have their own house, a full fridge, all the education they want, all the money for healthcare they need, spare no expense. Oh yeah and they should not have to earn any of it and we should "force" people to fund their "largesse." Don't get me wrong I'm all for voluntary assistance and doing good for people but I fail to see how making someone's life "easy" is helping them. Nah, that's crippling them for life.

No, the issue here is that 20% of our people own 83% of our wealth. You can't convince me that 80% of our people aren't working.

So if I have a twenty in my pocket and you have a nothing in your pocket that means I have all of our wealth so someone should come to my house and cut it in half and give it to you then the wealth will be evenly distributed. Problem solved right?

Nope. My answer to that is I'll just stop working hard enough to have that extra twenty in my pocket, we'll get the money from some other rich guy who has not figured out just how evil he is to be earning more than minimum wage in this country.

 

[RKMBrown]

everyday working Joe who busts his/her ass to make ends meet.

So working hard just to make ends meat, that is the measure for income now? What's the hardest job? Digging ditches? So that should get the highest pay right? Leading the country should not get any more money? Quarterback for the Jets same paycheck?

Yes or no?

Who should decide how much someone gets paid? you?

Why do you put down the efforts of Joe? Why do you feel Joe's life sucks so bad you need to rob Peter to make little of Joe's efforts? Who told you Joe wanted a bigger house or a bigger car or to rob his neighbor's retirement account to make his life easier?

 

[Flopper]

You still haven't told me how another's wealth diminishes your capability to accumulate wealth.

If your net worth, a measure of wealth, goes up it does not mean someone else's goes down. Conversely if another's net worth increases yours does not decrease.

The haves have always made it more difficult for the have nots to accumulate wealth.

How? Anyone can open an investment account on line at E trade, Scott's, Schwabb, Fidelity etc and start to save and accumulate wealth.

No one is stopping them or making it difficult. In fact it's easier than ever.

As any one who has built a fortune knows, it is the first million that's the hardest.

You might not need a million dollars and you certainly can increase your net worth anytime you want by paying down debt or increasing your income and saving.

Each successive million becomes easier and easier. The more wealth the wealthy have the more influence they have over both government and business and thus the more competitive they become compared to those that have less. So the rich get richer and poor get poorer.

The poor are poor because they want to be. As I said the only thing stopping anyone from saving more, spending less and improving their financial position is themselves.

Hate to bust your bubble, but people with billions don't bother with online brokerage accounts, they own the brokerages and the investment banks. They hire the best and brightest to manage their portfolios. They don't just own stock, they sit on the boards, to make sure things go their way. They pay lobbies and support candidates to shape laws and policies favorable to their interest. If you think a guy making $60K a year with a family and working 60 hours a week is going to not only make millions in his spare time but is going make it faster than the big boys, then you're pretty naive.

The poor are poor because they want to be. As I said the only thing stopping anyone from saving more, spending less and improving their financial position is themselves.

I know a lot of poor people that would disagree with you on this point.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The haves have always made it more difficult for the have nots to accumulate wealth.

How? Anyone can open an investment account on line at E trade, Scott's, Schwabb, Fidelity etc and start to save and accumulate wealth.

No one is stopping them or making it difficult. In fact it's easier than ever.


You might not need a million dollars and you certainly can increase your net worth anytime you want by paying down debt or increasing your income and saving.



The poor are poor because they want to be. As I said the only thing stopping anyone from saving more, spending less and improving their financial position is themselves.

Hate to bust your bubble, but people with billions don't bother with online brokerage accounts, they own the brokerages and the investment banks.

What does any of that have to do with your ability to increase your net worth?

They hire the best and brightest to manage their portfolios. They don't just own stock, they sit on the boards, to make sure things go their way.

IBID

They pay lobbies and support candidates to shape laws and policies favorable to their interest. If you think a guy making $60K a year with a family and working 60 hours a week is going to not only make millions in his spare time but is going make it faster than the big boys, then you're pretty naive

.

Where did I ever say "make millions" The premise here is that rich people are somehow preventing others from increasing their net worth and you have yet to tell me how they do that exactly.

The poor are poor because they want to be. As I said the only thing stopping anyone from saving more, spending less and improving their financial position is themselves.

I know a lot of poor people that would disagree with you on this point.

And what are they doing to improve their situation other than blaming "rich" people?

 

[jon_berzerk]

9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact - YouTube

Check out this video. What we believe is reality in wealth distribution isn't even close. The top 1% own 40% of the nations wealth while the bottom 80% own 7% of our nations wealth. 7%!

I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

there is nothing to stop those on the left side

of the ytube from increasing their wealth