A challenge for the left & I bet none of them can fulfill it...

[tyroneweaver]

Change your name to Unhinged-Joy

Why is it OK for inanimate object to be illegal unless it's a gun? What's the difference? Your OP is a sort of flim-flam strawman, liberals aren't saying that guns are sentient beings, nor is that considered a reason for something to be legal or not. It's simply a bullshit argument.

I suppose if you wanna get rid of guns it would be
Funny how under the most anti gun prez we've ever had and all these mass shootings.
You'd think it was by design wouldn't ya.

I'm not for getting rid of all guns. The president isn't either. Funny how the right always goes directly to or hints at conspiracies like false shootings.

So, "if you like your gun, you can keep your gun?"

 

[RandallFlagg]

Change your name to Unhinged-Joy

Why is it OK for inanimate object to be illegal unless it's a gun? What's the difference? Your OP is a sort of flim-flam strawman, liberals aren't saying that guns are sentient beings, nor is that considered a reason for something to be legal or not. It's simply a bullshit argument.

I suppose if you wanna get rid of guns it would be
Funny how under the most anti gun prez we've ever had and all these mass shootings.
You'd think it was by design wouldn't ya.

I'm not for getting rid of all guns. The president isn't either. Funny how the right always goes directly to or hints at conspiracies like false shootings.

Of course you're not. RIIIGGGHHHTTT......

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You're not even on topic at this point.

The OP simply asked when a gun ever knew or chose to shoot someone. Your'e not getting into very, very specific uses of drugs, you say it's a choice. So is deciding to shoot someone, that is also a choice and to be clear, made by the person not the gun. Just like drugs.

You could poison someone with the same drugs that are used to help people, just like guns. But no, you have this bizarre argument that drugs are only used for personal use and guns are only used for personal protection, simply not true.

Land mines are explosives and they can harm multiple people...yeah, same with guns.

Really the only thing all these objects have in common is that none of them think for themselves and with the exception of guns nobody is asking when they ever did.

... You put us on that topic in the first place, I'm fairly certain.

Yes, it's a choice made by someone to kill another, to abuse a tool meant for protection and for hunting to feed yourself and your family. Much like other tools, they are amoral, and it's entirely up to the person using them to use them for their intended purpose. Banning a tool wouldn't stop criminals from abusing them, only prevent law-abiding citizens from using them properly.

Land Mines, again, could destroy other things even when used properly, for their intended purpose. They are nothing like guns, there's no parallel there. There's no point to be made by bringing up Land Mines.

 

[Syriusly]

Cite an instance, ANY INSTANCE, of a Gun willingly & knowingly killing someone.

If you can not find any such case then tell me, what is the one common denominator that forces that gun to kill even though it doesn't have the will to do it itself.

Gun's of course don't kill by themselves.

They are just the very efficient tools of killers.

 

[amrchaos]

I love this kid!!

If he/she could prove a point I'd join you.

Oh, I think Young Blood has proven the case many times already.

In your own words, what was proved? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you what exactly was proven.

Like I just told you - land mines are NOT legal, by any stretch of the imagination. Never have been, never will. Get your act together before you enter into an argument that you have no chance of winning.

Nobody is arguing that landmines are legal. I didn't think you were following along.

No you are asking why we should not ban guns.

First is that a gun ban will not stop mass murders.
Second, criminals can obtain guns through the black market
And Third, you are disarming innocent people for what killers do

The only thing you gain from a ban of guns is a false sense of security. You may have ban the sales, but the ban does not remove guns from the society.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Cite an instance, ANY INSTANCE, of a Gun willingly & knowingly killing someone.

If you can not find any such case then tell me, what is the one common denominator that forces that gun to kill even though it doesn't have the will to do it itself.

Why are you making the case to legalize anthrax?

I don't think Anthrax has a use outside of hurting someone. I can't confirm that, though. It's also not really useful for defending yourself or someone else.

You're not answering the question, you are making excuses.

Giving a reason, not making an excuse. Guns are something completely different from anthrax, as they're tools for defending yourself or hunting. You cannot hunt or defend yourself with Anthrax.

You sure as hell can, ever hear of biological weaponry?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Cite an instance, ANY INSTANCE, of a Gun willingly & knowingly killing someone.

If you can not find any such case then tell me, what is the one common denominator that forces that gun to kill even though it doesn't have the will to do it itself.

Why are you making the case to legalize anthrax?

I don't think Anthrax has a use outside of hurting someone. I can't confirm that, though. It's also not really useful for defending yourself or someone else.

You're not answering the question, you are making excuses.

Giving a reason, not making an excuse. Guns are something completely different from anthrax, as they're tools for defending yourself or hunting. You cannot hunt or defend yourself with Anthrax.

You sure as hell can, ever hear of biological weaponry?

I don't suspect the average person can use Anthrax that way... I also suspect it's a bit more expensive and less productive.

 

[Slade3200]

I don't think Anthrax has a use outside of hurting someone. I can't confirm that, though. It's also not really useful for defending yourself or someone else.

You're not answering the question, you are making excuses.

Giving a reason, not making an excuse. Guns are something completely different from anthrax, as they're tools for defending yourself or hunting. You cannot hunt or defend yourself with Anthrax.

And yet, young blood, a scalpel is an instrument of medicine, but it is used to kill the unborn on a daily basis.

I killed a ton of unborns with a tube sock in highschool. I'm sure you did too

It's funny - and true - but I never took a pregnant girl to an abortion clinic to have a Doctor murder the baby. We have lost a complete generation of children to the liberal mentality. Think about that.

The doc is just giving her a tube sock. It's her body

 

[LoneLaugher]

Cite an instance, ANY INSTANCE, of a Gun willingly & knowingly killing someone.

If you can not find any such case then tell me, what is the one common denominator that forces that gun to kill even though it doesn't have the will to do it itself.

Damn! You won the gun debate! Way to go!

 

[Slade3200]

Cite an instance, ANY INSTANCE, of a Gun willingly & knowingly killing someone.

If you can not find any such case then tell me, what is the one common denominator that forces that gun to kill even though it doesn't have the will to do it itself.

The problem is NOT guns, rather it's PEOPLE, period. A gun does no harm unless a mentally unstable person uses it to inflict harm. The problem is the mentally disturbed, the haters, the vengeful, the fanatics, the extremists, the rogue banner carriers, the suicidal, the losers that need front page headlines, the wannabe martyrs, gangs, criminals, egotistical bullies ( including members of law enforcement ), and racists.

Guns do not kill, but lunatics with guns do kill.

I'll never understand what's so hard to understand about the problem. I do not know why people blame guns. I do not know why people think that we can legislate guns out of the hands of the above mentioned people. People will get their hands on guns whether we have gun restriction laws or not, just plain fact.

In short, "no solution exists, so why the hell try".

The lunatics mostly obtain guns legally. Of course some guns are stolen, but purchased or stolen guns used in mass shootings of innocent men, women and children originated from the hand of a gun producer, and/or purveyor to a gun buyer; somewhere along that line one of them was careless, greedy or complicit in the future use of the gun for evil.

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Yes, the current regulations put on Automatic weapons has most likely saved lives. If any one of these mass shooters was using a machine gun rather than the hand guns and rifles they could have inflicted much more damage. Give them grenades and body armor and watch the body counts increase... It's not always an issue of "all or nothing" severity and collateral damage need to be considered. We are talking about people's lives here. Do you not understand that?

 

[Auld Phart]

It's not the car, it's the driver

It's not the gun, it's the shooter

 

[Slade3200]

The problem is NOT guns, rather it's PEOPLE, period. A gun does no harm unless a mentally unstable person uses it to inflict harm. The problem is the mentally disturbed, the haters, the vengeful, the fanatics, the extremists, the rogue banner carriers, the suicidal, the losers that need front page headlines, the wannabe martyrs, gangs, criminals, egotistical bullies ( including members of law enforcement ), and racists.

Guns do not kill, but lunatics with guns do kill.

I'll never understand what's so hard to understand about the problem. I do not know why people blame guns. I do not know why people think that we can legislate guns out of the hands of the above mentioned people. People will get their hands on guns whether we have gun restriction laws or not, just plain fact.

In short, "no solution exists, so why the hell try".

The lunatics mostly obtain guns legally. Of course some guns are stolen, but purchased or stolen guns used in mass shootings of innocent men, women and children originated from the hand of a gun producer, and/or purveyor to a gun buyer; somewhere along that line one of them was careless, greedy or complicit in the future use of the gun for evil.

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?




Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Do existing laws prevent people from being killed on carnival rides? From being eaten by alligators? dying from automobile accidents? Drowning in swimming pools? Being killed by drunk drivers? Being hit by lightning? Of course not. Never have and never will.

Yes, laws and regulations affect many of those... Carnival rides need safety checks, people's lives are saved by seat belts and airbags every day in auto accidents, DUIs take drunks off the road and make them think twice before driving drunk, fences around pools prevent children from drowning... The list goes on

 

[Slade3200]

If he/she could prove a point I'd join you.

Oh, I think Young Blood has proven the case many times already.

In your own words, what was proved? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you what exactly was proven.

Like I just told you - land mines are NOT legal, by any stretch of the imagination. Never have been, never will. Get your act together before you enter into an argument that you have no chance of winning.

Nobody is arguing that landmines are legal. I didn't think you were following along.

No you are asking why we should not ban guns.

First is that a gun ban will not stop mass murders.
Second, criminals can obtain guns through the black market
And Third, you are disarming innocent people for what killers do

The only thing you gain from a ban of guns is a false sense of security. You may have ban the sales, but the ban does not remove guns from the society.

Nobody is being disarmed... That's a fallacy. Weapons that cause mass casualties being banned is a smart move, like machine guns and bazookas. Keeping high risk individuals from easy access to purchasing lethal weapons is responsible action. Law abiding gun owners are not effected in this conversation

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Oh, I think Young Blood has proven the case many times already.

In your own words, what was proved? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you what exactly was proven.

Like I just told you - land mines are NOT legal, by any stretch of the imagination. Never have been, never will. Get your act together before you enter into an argument that you have no chance of winning.

Nobody is arguing that landmines are legal. I didn't think you were following along.

No you are asking why we should not ban guns.

First is that a gun ban will not stop mass murders.
Second, criminals can obtain guns through the black market
And Third, you are disarming innocent people for what killers do

The only thing you gain from a ban of guns is a false sense of security. You may have ban the sales, but the ban does not remove guns from the society.

Nobody is being disarmed... That's a fallacy. Weapons that cause mass casualties being banned is a smart move, like machine guns and bazookas. Keeping high risk individuals from easy access to purchasing lethal weapons is responsible action. Law abiding gun owners are not effected in this conversation

Weapons don't cause mass casualties, the people abusing them do. Just like last time you brought this up, I'm pointing out that the law you're referring to keeps guns out of the hands of reformed criminals.

 

[amrchaos]

Qq

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Oh, I think Young Blood has proven the case many times already.

In your own words, what was proved? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you what exactly was proven.

Like I just told you - land mines are NOT legal, by any stretch of the imagination. Never have been, never will. Get your act together before you enter into an argument that you have no chance of winning.

Nobody is arguing that landmines are legal. I didn't think you were following along.

No you are asking why we should not ban guns.

First is that a gun ban will not stop mass murders.
Second, criminals can obtain guns through the black market
And Third, you are disarming innocent people for what killers do

The only thing you gain from a ban of guns is a false sense of security. You may have ban the sales, but the ban does not remove guns from the society.

Nobody is being disarmed... That's a fallacy. Weapons that cause mass casualties being banned is a smart move, like machine guns and bazookas. Keeping high risk individuals from easy access to purchasing lethal weapons is responsible action. Law abiding gun owners are not effected in this conversation

"Nobody is being disarmed.."

Ah yes.....we all will eventually still have our squirt guns.......but WAIT....even those are being forbidden in grade schools.....

 

[Slade3200]

In your own words, what was proved? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you what exactly was proven.

Like I just told you - land mines are NOT legal, by any stretch of the imagination. Never have been, never will. Get your act together before you enter into an argument that you have no chance of winning.

Nobody is arguing that landmines are legal. I didn't think you were following along.

No you are asking why we should not ban guns.

First is that a gun ban will not stop mass murders.
Second, criminals can obtain guns through the black market
And Third, you are disarming innocent people for what killers do

The only thing you gain from a ban of guns is a false sense of security. You may have ban the sales, but the ban does not remove guns from the society.

Nobody is being disarmed... That's a fallacy. Weapons that cause mass casualties being banned is a smart move, like machine guns and bazookas. Keeping high risk individuals from easy access to purchasing lethal weapons is responsible action. Law abiding gun owners are not effected in this conversation

Weapons don't cause mass casualties, the people abusing them do. Just like last time you brought this up, I'm pointing out that the law you're referring to keeps guns out of the hands of reformed criminals.

True, people cause the death. The stronger the weapons they use the more damage they will inflict. Do you agree with that?
Do you see the advantage to not selling machine guns to anybody at WalMart?

 

[Sonny Clark]

The problem is NOT guns, rather it's PEOPLE, period. A gun does no harm unless a mentally unstable person uses it to inflict harm. The problem is the mentally disturbed, the haters, the vengeful, the fanatics, the extremists, the rogue banner carriers, the suicidal, the losers that need front page headlines, the wannabe martyrs, gangs, criminals, egotistical bullies ( including members of law enforcement ), and racists.

Guns do not kill, but lunatics with guns do kill.

I'll never understand what's so hard to understand about the problem. I do not know why people blame guns. I do not know why people think that we can legislate guns out of the hands of the above mentioned people. People will get their hands on guns whether we have gun restriction laws or not, just plain fact.

In short, "no solution exists, so why the hell try".

The lunatics mostly obtain guns legally. Of course some guns are stolen, but purchased or stolen guns used in mass shootings of innocent men, women and children originated from the hand of a gun producer, and/or purveyor to a gun buyer; somewhere along that line one of them was careless, greedy or complicit in the future use of the gun for evil.

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Yes, the current regulations put on Automatic weapons has most likely saved lives. If any one of these mass shooters was using a machine gun rather than the hand guns and rifles they could have inflicted much more damage. Give them grenades and body armor and watch the body counts increase... It's not always an issue of "all or nothing" severity and collateral damage need to be considered. We are talking about people's lives here. Do you not understand that?

Again, anyone with the money and connections can get their hands on any weapon they want, there's nothing to stop them from doing so. Criminals have used body armor in the past ( Los Angeles California ). Killers will kill, regardless of gun regulations, laws, legislation, or restrictions. Also, check your history concerning machine guns ( 1920s and 1930s ).

Serious question: What will stop killers from killing?
Serious question: How will laws and regulations stop gun violence?
Serious question: How is it possible to ensure that ONLY registered guns are in the hands of citizens?
Serious question: What's to keep gang members, criminals, and lunatics from getting their hands on guns?
Serious question: What's to stop guns from crossing our borders?
Serious question: How have existing gun laws prevented mass killings from happening? ( Orlando )
Serious question: How will gun laws prevent the use of stolen guns in criminal activity?
Serious question: How will gun laws prevent friends from selling guns to friends?
Serious question: How will gun laws prevent the sale of guns on the black market?

 

[Slade3200]

In your own words, what was proved? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you what exactly was proven.

Like I just told you - land mines are NOT legal, by any stretch of the imagination. Never have been, never will. Get your act together before you enter into an argument that you have no chance of winning.

Nobody is arguing that landmines are legal. I didn't think you were following along.

No you are asking why we should not ban guns.

First is that a gun ban will not stop mass murders.
Second, criminals can obtain guns through the black market
And Third, you are disarming innocent people for what killers do

The only thing you gain from a ban of guns is a false sense of security. You may have ban the sales, but the ban does not remove guns from the society.

Nobody is being disarmed... That's a fallacy. Weapons that cause mass casualties being banned is a smart move, like machine guns and bazookas. Keeping high risk individuals from easy access to purchasing lethal weapons is responsible action. Law abiding gun owners are not effected in this conversation

"Nobody is being disarmed.."

Ah yes.....we all will eventually still have our squirt guns.......but WAIT....even those are being forbidden in grade schools.....

Yes the Strawman, the invisible slippery slope... I've heard the talking point. As soon as you have real action or real policy to object to, let me know.

 

[amrchaos]

Qq