A challenge for the left & I bet none of them can fulfill it...

[HappyJoy]

In short, "no solution exists, so why the hell try".

The lunatics mostly obtain guns legally. Of course some guns are stolen, but purchased or stolen guns used in mass shootings of innocent men, women and children originated from the hand of a gun producer, and/or purveyor to a gun buyer; somewhere along that line one of them was careless, greedy or complicit in the future use of the gun for evil.

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

 

[HappyJoy]

In short, "no solution exists, so why the hell try".

The lunatics mostly obtain guns legally. Of course some guns are stolen, but purchased or stolen guns used in mass shootings of innocent men, women and children originated from the hand of a gun producer, and/or purveyor to a gun buyer; somewhere along that line one of them was careless, greedy or complicit in the future use of the gun for evil.

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Each item in your list has a primary purpose, as does a gun. The gun is a killing instrument, a car/plane/ship transports, a baseball bat is for recreation and a swimming pool is used to cool off and get exercise. Get the point?

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

I see, he wants his 100% solution.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Each item in your list has a primary purpose, as does a gun. The gun is a killing instrument, a car/plane/ship transports, a baseball bat is for recreation and a swimming pool is used to cool off and get exercise. Get the point?

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

I see, he wants his 100% solution.

Cute ... real cute ...
Anything else cute to add?

 

[HappyJoy]

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

 

[HappyJoy]

Each item in your list has a primary purpose, as does a gun. The gun is a killing instrument, a car/plane/ship transports, a baseball bat is for recreation and a swimming pool is used to cool off and get exercise. Get the point?

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

I see, he wants his 100% solution.

Cute ... real cute ...
Anything else cute to add?

No, your argument is covered in one short sentence.

 

[Wry Catcher]

In short, "no solution exists, so why the hell try".

The lunatics mostly obtain guns legally. Of course some guns are stolen, but purchased or stolen guns used in mass shootings of innocent men, women and children originated from the hand of a gun producer, and/or purveyor to a gun buyer; somewhere along that line one of them was careless, greedy or complicit in the future use of the gun for evil.

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Each item in your list has a primary purpose, as does a gun. The gun is a killing instrument, a car/plane/ship transports, a baseball bat is for recreation and a swimming pool is used to cool off and get exercise. Get the point?

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

Why are you pointing out things that are regulated, registered and often times illegal? This just deflated your argument.

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

We regulate people. We require drivers to be licensed, we require swimming pools to have fences around them, we make the possession of a push button or gravity knife illegal and jail those who possess them. Gun control is not a panacea, it is a reasonable way for reasonable people to respond to an absurd situation.

 

[Sonny Clark]

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

Very funny, really cute.
It's not my fault that you have no reasonable answers.

FYI - It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that wants them, impossible.
Has background checks stopped anyone that really wants a gun, from getting their hands on a gun? If so, please tell who tried to get a gun and couldn't.
Do drug dealers go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do pimps go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do people that buy them out of a car trunk, on the black market, through friends or relatives, go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do terrorists go through the legal process to buy guns?

Can a background check determine who may go postal tomorrow?
Can a background check determine who may get fired from their job tomorrow and return to the workplace and kill their co-workers and ex-boss?
Can a background check reveal someone on the verge of suicide, and that might take a dozen innocent lives before they take their own life?
Can a background check determine who may snap, pick up a gun, and take out their entire family before turning the gun on themselves?

Awaiting your answers. Thanks.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Are you willing to use the same logic concerning automobiles, planes, knives, ships, baseball bats, axes, hammers, natural gas piped into homes, arrows, swimming pools, race tracks, drag racers, parachutes, tall buildings, bridges, and many other items, inventions, and instruments of an advanced and civilized world?

Again, it's PEOPLE and NOT guns. Does a car kill anyone when not in motion? Does a kitchen knife kill anyone while it's in a drawer? Does an airplane kill anyone while sitting idle at an airport? Does a tall building kill anyone unless some nut jumps from it? Does a swimming pool kill anyone unless a careless person drowns in it? How does a gun kill unless a person uses it to kill?

Should we ban automobiles due to the high number of deaths each year from wrecks? Should we ban hospitals because over 400,000 people die each year from infections obtained during hospital stays? Should we ban airplanes because they crash and kill hundreds at a time?

Each item in your list has a primary purpose, as does a gun. The gun is a killing instrument, a car/plane/ship transports, a baseball bat is for recreation and a swimming pool is used to cool off and get exercise. Get the point?

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

So are guns regulated, must be registered, and illegal to have in certain cases. Yet, laws do not stop gun violence.

Are the guns used by gang members registered? Are the guns purchased from the trunk of cars registered? Are the guns sold between family members registered? Are all guns sold on the internet registered? Are all guns sold at yard sales and flea markets registered? Are all guns that come across our borders registered? Are all guns sold from one friend to another friend registered?

Do existing gun laws prevent gun violence? Will gang members turn in their unregistered weapons? Will criminals turn in their unregistered weapons? Will drug dealers and pimps turn in their unregistered weapons? Who has unregistered weapons, where are they, and how many are unregistered? Who will go door-to-door and search for unregistered weapons? How will laws keep guns out of the hands of citizens, and how will laws stop gun violence?

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

We regulate people. We require drivers to be licensed, we require swimming pools to have fences around them, we make the possession of a push button or gravity knife illegal and jail those who possess them. Gun control is not a panacea, it is a reasonable way for reasonable people to respond to an absurd situation.

FYI - Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers from killing people.
Requiring fences around pools hasn't stopped kids from drowning in swimming pools.
Making certain knives illegal hasn't stopped stabbings.
And, there's NO gun control that will stop gun violence, period.

If you know of a law, or laws, that will stop gun violence, then please state it instead of just throwing a blanket statement out concerning some law that performs magic.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

Very funny, really cute.
It's not my fault that you have no reasonable answers.

FYI - It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that wants them, impossible.
Has background checks stopped anyone that really wants a gun, from getting their hands on a gun? If so, please tell who tried to get a gun and couldn't.
Do drug dealers go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do pimps go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do people that buy them out of a car trunk, on the black market, through friends or relatives, go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do terrorists go through the legal process to buy guns?

Can a background check determine who may go postal tomorrow?
Can a background check determine who may get fired from their job tomorrow and return to the workplace and kill their co-workers and ex-boss?
Can a background check reveal someone on the verge of suicide, and that might take a dozen innocent lives before they take their own life?
Can a background check determine who may snap, pick up a gun, and take out their entire family before turning the gun on themselves?

Awaiting your answers. Thanks.

Once again, nobody is saying gun control will stop all gun violence.

Just using the examples that Wry Catcher brought up. Pool fences are required for pools, kids still drown, that doesn't mean the law is ineffective.

It's illegal to drive with a seat belt, some still do it and there is no way to stop them if they don't want to wear one.

Forcing a gundealer to run a background check and not give someone a gun if they happen to be on a terrorist watch list is not a big deal, it's common sense. That doesn't mean gun violence ends, nobody is arguing that point.

 

[HappyJoy]

Each item in your list has a primary purpose, as does a gun. The gun is a killing instrument, a car/plane/ship transports, a baseball bat is for recreation and a swimming pool is used to cool off and get exercise. Get the point?

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

Why have any penal code? Do laws prevent petty theft, drunk driving, insider trading, etc?

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

We regulate people. We require drivers to be licensed, we require swimming pools to have fences around them, we make the possession of a push button or gravity knife illegal and jail those who possess them. Gun control is not a panacea, it is a reasonable way for reasonable people to respond to an absurd situation.

FYI - Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers from killing people.
Requiring fences around pools hasn't stopped kids from drowning in swimming pools.
Making certain knives illegal hasn't stopped stabbings.
And, there's NO gun control that will stop gun violence, period.

If you know of a law, or laws, that will stop gun violence, then please state it instead of just throwing a blanket statement out concerning some law that performs magic.

Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers? That's bullshit, take their license away and many don't drive...yes, yes, some will, many don't. Your arguments are lacking.

 

[HappyJoy]

I love Willhaftawaite's passive aggressive smilies on every post he disagrees with.

 

[Sonny Clark]

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

Very funny, really cute.
It's not my fault that you have no reasonable answers.

FYI - It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that wants them, impossible.
Has background checks stopped anyone that really wants a gun, from getting their hands on a gun? If so, please tell who tried to get a gun and couldn't.
Do drug dealers go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do pimps go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do people that buy them out of a car trunk, on the black market, through friends or relatives, go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do terrorists go through the legal process to buy guns?

Can a background check determine who may go postal tomorrow?
Can a background check determine who may get fired from their job tomorrow and return to the workplace and kill their co-workers and ex-boss?
Can a background check reveal someone on the verge of suicide, and that might take a dozen innocent lives before they take their own life?
Can a background check determine who may snap, pick up a gun, and take out their entire family before turning the gun on themselves?

Awaiting your answers. Thanks.

Once again, nobody is saying gun control will stop all gun violence.

Just using the examples that Wry Catcher brought up. Pool fences are required for pools, kids still drown, that doesn't mean the law is ineffective.

It's illegal to drive with a seat belt, some still do it and there is no way to stop them if they don't want to wear one.

Forcing a gundealer to run a background check and not give someone a gun if they happen to be on a terrorist watch list is not a big deal, it's common sense. That doesn't mean gun violence ends, nobody is arguing that point.

Thanks. That's exactly my point.
It's impossible to stop gun violence.
It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of those that really want them.
It's impossible to read minds and determine who may snap next.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being sold.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being traded.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being handed down through families.
It's impossible to keep guns from crossing our borders.
It's impossible to know who has what weapons, and how many they have.
It's ridiculous to expect background checks to stop gun violence.

At this time, there are NO solutions, No answers, and the technology to read minds does NOT exist, period.
We can discuss this from now until eternity, and the answers will be the same.
We can argue the point to no avail.
NO ONE HAS ANSWERS. THERE ARE NO ANSWERS.

 

[HappyJoy]

Shorter: Laws about other things good, laws about guns bad.

Your post is a waste of time.

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

Very funny, really cute.
It's not my fault that you have no reasonable answers.

FYI - It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that wants them, impossible.
Has background checks stopped anyone that really wants a gun, from getting their hands on a gun? If so, please tell who tried to get a gun and couldn't.
Do drug dealers go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do pimps go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do people that buy them out of a car trunk, on the black market, through friends or relatives, go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do terrorists go through the legal process to buy guns?

Can a background check determine who may go postal tomorrow?
Can a background check determine who may get fired from their job tomorrow and return to the workplace and kill their co-workers and ex-boss?
Can a background check reveal someone on the verge of suicide, and that might take a dozen innocent lives before they take their own life?
Can a background check determine who may snap, pick up a gun, and take out their entire family before turning the gun on themselves?

Awaiting your answers. Thanks.

Once again, nobody is saying gun control will stop all gun violence.

Just using the examples that Wry Catcher brought up. Pool fences are required for pools, kids still drown, that doesn't mean the law is ineffective.

It's illegal to drive with a seat belt, some still do it and there is no way to stop them if they don't want to wear one.

Forcing a gundealer to run a background check and not give someone a gun if they happen to be on a terrorist watch list is not a big deal, it's common sense. That doesn't mean gun violence ends, nobody is arguing that point.

Thanks. That's exactly my point.
It's impossible to stop gun violence.
It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of those that really want them.
It's impossible to read minds and determine who may snap next.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being sold.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being traded.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being handed down through families.
It's impossible to keep guns from crossing our borders.
It's impossible to know who has what weapons, and how many they have.
It's ridiculous to expect background checks to stop gun violence.

At this time, there are NO solutions, No answers, and the technology to read minds does NOT exist, period.
We can discuss this from now until eternity, and the answers will be the same.
We can argue the point to no avail.
NO ONE HAS ANSWERS. THERE ARE NO ANSWERS.

Who are you debating then?

Gun Control can only reduce the threat of guns, not end it all together. This is why I've been saying your posts are lame, you're debating a strawman.

Hell at this point I'm not even sure you think drunk driving should be a crime.

 

[Sonny Clark]

The point is, "THEY STILL KILL" !!!!!
Research how many people die in car accidents each year.
Research how many people are stabbed to death each year.
Research how many people die of infections obtained while in a hospital.
Research how many die in plane crashes each year.

The point is, people die from the hands of man all the time, and will continue to die from the hands of man, no stopping it.
The point is, "People kill people", and will continue to kill people, no stopping it.

Drunk drivers kill.
Gang members kill
Members of law enforcement kill
Illegal drugs kill
Terrorists kill
Religious fanatics kill
Domestic rage kills spouses and entire families
The angry and mentally unstable kill

Guns are used
Knives are used
Planes are used
Explosives are used
Axes are used
Baseball bats are used
Vehicles are used
Drugs are used
Alcohol is used
Poisons are used
Rope is used

The point is, "People kill, and will continue to kill, no stopping it.

Yes, people kill. Can

We have laws because we are a civilized society, and not cavemen, nor are we a barbaric people. We have laws to ensure a certain degree of civility and harmony within society. We have laws to protect people, their rights, and to ensure a certain degree of fairness, justice, and equality. We have laws to keep society as orderly and sane as humanly possible.

There will always be those with mental disorders, scores to settle, haters, fanatics, maniacs, and wannabe martyrs, whether religious in nature or otherwise. There will always be the social misfits, the suicidal, the frustrated, the ones looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and national headlines, and the rogue anti-establishment basket cases. It's impossible for us to read minds. The technology doesn't exist that would allow us to determine which ones are on the verge of going postal and taking out dozens of innocent lives.

Some people are animalistic, barbaric, uncivil, and natural born haters. Who are they, where are they, and when will they go off the edge and slaughter innocent people? How can we tell the ones that could snap at any minute? Our laws can not determine the mental state of every single person on Earth. Our laws can not keep tragedies from happening. Our laws can not prevent senseless acts of terrorism, violence, and mass slaughter. It's impossible. You can not legislate sanity, morals, behavior, nor can you legislate removing weapons from the hands of those that want them, it's impossible.

People that want to do others harm, will find a way to do it. People that want to do harm to others, will use whatever they can get or find to do the deed. What about chemical and biological weapons? What about poisoning our water supplies? What about deadly gas released in crowded areas? What about deadly bacteria released into the air? What about explosives ( Oklahoma City )? What about air planes ( 9 - 11 - 2001 )?

Laws can not stop what we've seen take place, and will see again before all is said and done, no stopping it, it's impossible to stop.

Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

We regulate people. We require drivers to be licensed, we require swimming pools to have fences around them, we make the possession of a push button or gravity knife illegal and jail those who possess them. Gun control is not a panacea, it is a reasonable way for reasonable people to respond to an absurd situation.

FYI - Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers from killing people.
Requiring fences around pools hasn't stopped kids from drowning in swimming pools.
Making certain knives illegal hasn't stopped stabbings.
And, there's NO gun control that will stop gun violence, period.

If you know of a law, or laws, that will stop gun violence, then please state it instead of just throwing a blanket statement out concerning some law that performs magic.

Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers? That's bullshit, take their license away and many don't drive...yes, yes, some will, many don't. Your arguments are lacking.

FYI - Taking license away if "AFTER THE FACT", and NOT a prevention.
Your reasoning is lacking.
FYI - We can also put murders in prison for life, AFTER THE FACT !!!!!

Punishment after the fact does not prevent murder, never has, never will.
Taking drivers' licenses away has never stopped drunk driving deaths, never has, never will. We hear and read about it all the time.

You reasoning and logic is lacking. People are more concerned with prevention that punishment. Punishment doesn't bring back lost loved ones.

 

[Auld Phart]

I love Willhaftawaite's passive aggressive smilies on every post he disagrees with.

Why bother adding to what sonny is posting.

Your post are hilarious, and he's proving it far better than I can

 

[HappyJoy]

Yes, people kill. Can
Seems much easier to get a gun than too hijack a plane or buy a ton of fertilizer and rent a truck. Two data points vis a vis how many mass shootings in the past ten years?

What will stop the mass killings?
How can mass killing be stopped?
What will stop people from getting guns?
How can you stop guns from coming across our borders?
If we can't stop people from buying illegal drugs, how can we stop them from buying guns?
How can you stop people from selling guns out of the trunks of their cars?
How will you stop guns from being sold within families?
How can you stop guns from being sold on the black market?
How will you stop guns from being traded and exchanged between friends?

*** Waiting on your answer / suggestion. Thanks

We regulate people. We require drivers to be licensed, we require swimming pools to have fences around them, we make the possession of a push button or gravity knife illegal and jail those who possess them. Gun control is not a panacea, it is a reasonable way for reasonable people to respond to an absurd situation.

FYI - Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers from killing people.
Requiring fences around pools hasn't stopped kids from drowning in swimming pools.
Making certain knives illegal hasn't stopped stabbings.
And, there's NO gun control that will stop gun violence, period.

If you know of a law, or laws, that will stop gun violence, then please state it instead of just throwing a blanket statement out concerning some law that performs magic.

Requiring drivers to be licensed has never stopped drunk drivers? That's bullshit, take their license away and many don't drive...yes, yes, some will, many don't. Your arguments are lacking.

FYI - Taking license away if "AFTER THE FACT", and NOT a prevention.
Your reasoning is lacking.
FYI - We can also put murders in prison for life, AFTER THE FACT !!!!!

Punishment after the fact does not prevent murder, never has, never will.
Taking drivers' licenses away has never stopped drunk driving deaths, never has, never will. We hear and read about it all the time.

You reasoning and logic is lacking. People are more concerned with prevention that punishment. Punishment doesn't bring back lost loved ones.

Drunk drivers are often times repeat offenders, idiot.

Also by making drunk driving a crime if one is pulled over while being drunk, either through erratic behavior or even a tail light being out and then the police discovering the driver is drunk takes their driving privileges away.

Once again, drunk driving laws reduce the offense, not eliminate it.

Tax evasion - usually caught after the fact.
Murder - caught after the fact
Robbery, kidnapping - so on and so forth, a crime is usually committed first.

 

[HappyJoy]

I love Willhaftawaite's passive aggressive smilies on every post he disagrees with.

Why bother adding to what sonny is posting.

Your post are hilarious, and he's proving it far better than I can

RIght, why bother? But you do anyway, the laziest way possible.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Likewise
Your silly ridiculous remarks are a waste of time, and stupid to boot.

What can we change about gun laws to stop mass killings?

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

Very funny, really cute.
It's not my fault that you have no reasonable answers.

FYI - It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that wants them, impossible.
Has background checks stopped anyone that really wants a gun, from getting their hands on a gun? If so, please tell who tried to get a gun and couldn't.
Do drug dealers go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do pimps go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do people that buy them out of a car trunk, on the black market, through friends or relatives, go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do terrorists go through the legal process to buy guns?

Can a background check determine who may go postal tomorrow?
Can a background check determine who may get fired from their job tomorrow and return to the workplace and kill their co-workers and ex-boss?
Can a background check reveal someone on the verge of suicide, and that might take a dozen innocent lives before they take their own life?
Can a background check determine who may snap, pick up a gun, and take out their entire family before turning the gun on themselves?

Awaiting your answers. Thanks.

Once again, nobody is saying gun control will stop all gun violence.

Just using the examples that Wry Catcher brought up. Pool fences are required for pools, kids still drown, that doesn't mean the law is ineffective.

It's illegal to drive with a seat belt, some still do it and there is no way to stop them if they don't want to wear one.

Forcing a gundealer to run a background check and not give someone a gun if they happen to be on a terrorist watch list is not a big deal, it's common sense. That doesn't mean gun violence ends, nobody is arguing that point.

Thanks. That's exactly my point.
It's impossible to stop gun violence.
It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of those that really want them.
It's impossible to read minds and determine who may snap next.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being sold.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being traded.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being handed down through families.
It's impossible to keep guns from crossing our borders.
It's impossible to know who has what weapons, and how many they have.
It's ridiculous to expect background checks to stop gun violence.

At this time, there are NO solutions, No answers, and the technology to read minds does NOT exist, period.
We can discuss this from now until eternity, and the answers will be the same.
We can argue the point to no avail.
NO ONE HAS ANSWERS. THERE ARE NO ANSWERS.

Who are you debating then?

Gun Control can only reduce the threat of guns, not end it all together. This is why I've been saying your posts are lame, you're debating a strawman.

Hell at this point I'm not even sure you think drunk driving should be a crime.

I'm simply saying that laws can NOT prevent gun violence. Yet, some will argue from now until eternity that we need stricter laws, more thorough background checks, ban high capacity clips, etc., etc., etc., etc..

The cold hard truth is NOTHING is going to help, nor solve the problem, period. IF anyone had an answer or solution, they would have said so by now. This subject has been beat to death for years now, yet, no one has come up with anything even close to a solution.

Go back and read some of the lame ridiculous comment in this thread. Some hear have said background checks, some have said gun control laws, some have said watch people, and other lame solutions. Again, there is NO solution, period. Nothing will help, period.

 

[HappyJoy]

Do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, a better and more complete background check system.

Obviously, thats not going to stop all mass killings, nobody is making the argument that it will. This is why your posts are a waste of time.

Very funny, really cute.
It's not my fault that you have no reasonable answers.

FYI - It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of anyone that wants them, impossible.
Has background checks stopped anyone that really wants a gun, from getting their hands on a gun? If so, please tell who tried to get a gun and couldn't.
Do drug dealers go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do pimps go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do people that buy them out of a car trunk, on the black market, through friends or relatives, go through the legal process to buy guns?
Do terrorists go through the legal process to buy guns?

Can a background check determine who may go postal tomorrow?
Can a background check determine who may get fired from their job tomorrow and return to the workplace and kill their co-workers and ex-boss?
Can a background check reveal someone on the verge of suicide, and that might take a dozen innocent lives before they take their own life?
Can a background check determine who may snap, pick up a gun, and take out their entire family before turning the gun on themselves?

Awaiting your answers. Thanks.

Once again, nobody is saying gun control will stop all gun violence.

Just using the examples that Wry Catcher brought up. Pool fences are required for pools, kids still drown, that doesn't mean the law is ineffective.

It's illegal to drive with a seat belt, some still do it and there is no way to stop them if they don't want to wear one.

Forcing a gundealer to run a background check and not give someone a gun if they happen to be on a terrorist watch list is not a big deal, it's common sense. That doesn't mean gun violence ends, nobody is arguing that point.

Thanks. That's exactly my point.
It's impossible to stop gun violence.
It's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of those that really want them.
It's impossible to read minds and determine who may snap next.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being sold.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being traded.
It's impossible to prevent guns from being handed down through families.
It's impossible to keep guns from crossing our borders.
It's impossible to know who has what weapons, and how many they have.
It's ridiculous to expect background checks to stop gun violence.

At this time, there are NO solutions, No answers, and the technology to read minds does NOT exist, period.
We can discuss this from now until eternity, and the answers will be the same.
We can argue the point to no avail.
NO ONE HAS ANSWERS. THERE ARE NO ANSWERS.

Who are you debating then?

Gun Control can only reduce the threat of guns, not end it all together. This is why I've been saying your posts are lame, you're debating a strawman.

Hell at this point I'm not even sure you think drunk driving should be a crime.

I'm simply saying that laws can NOT prevent gun violence. Yet, some will argue from now until eternity that we need stricter laws, more thorough background checks, ban high capacity clips, etc., etc., etc., etc..

The cold hard truth is NOTHING is going to help, nor solve the problem, period. IF anyone had an answer or solution, they would have said so by now. This subject has been beat to death for years now, yet, no one has come up with anything even close to a solution.

Go back and read some of the lame ridiculous comment in this thread. Some hear have said background checks, some have said gun control laws, some have said watch people, and other lame solutions. Again, there is NO solution, period. Nothing will help, period.

High capacity what?

Anyway, you've been saying very simply that you are stuck on one point. If gun conrol does not prevent every crime involving a gun then it's not worth it and to prove your point you are now arguing that drunk driving laws and drivers licenses are pointless. That is a ridiculous point of view.