A New Trend: Kindergartners Not Potty-Trained

[Disir]

Secondly, to back track (on an individual basis rather than as a group) through their personal history.

good point....so what we've here is a canned study ,done w/bias and conjecture

then used to demonize a target group>>>>

"The district told the Board of Education that there were only about six or eight students in the district. When we heard that, we knew that that wasn't correct, and this is one of the reasons that we did the study — and this was only a one-week study, I'm sure there are more than 43. Most of it is concentrated in kindergarten and pre-K. However, we have some students that are 5, 6 and 7 years old that are having a similar issue."

maybe they could investigarte climate change next....

~S~

Surveys offer only close ended questions. They don't go any further. They don't allow for any additional information. They can say whatever they want.

This is true.

You know a few folks here seem to have the idea that children will have no social implications from this. But they will, and that concerns me too. We may pretend that we can accommodate anything and the rules of social construct have been rewritten, but the facts are that mo

Secondly, to back track (on an individual basis rather than as a group) through their personal history.

good point....so what we've here is a canned study ,done w/bias and conjecture

then used to demonize a target group>>>>

"The district told the Board of Education that there were only about six or eight students in the district. When we heard that, we knew that that wasn't correct, and this is one of the reasons that we did the study — and this was only a one-week study, I'm sure there are more than 43. Most of it is concentrated in kindergarten and pre-K. However, we have some students that are 5, 6 and 7 years old that are having a similar issue."

maybe they could investigarte climate change next....

~S~

What "target group" is being "demonized", do tell?

You know the schools are in complete chaos because large swaths of people are cowed for fear of "demonizing" "target groups". But mark my words: people are fed up and ready to speak out.

Here's one hint for you: Nikolas Cruz. The problem was not his gun. The problem was that he was coddled all the way through because he was given a label and so his incredibly violent tendencies were either ignored or excused by "soft-hearted educators" who didn't want to "demonize" him.

So now, kids are dead.

That's what happens in the worst cases. In the smaller cases, we have six year olds pooping in their pants more and more and more and at least two posters here casting aspersions on those who say this isn't acceptable.

Well, it's isn't acceptable. Beyond that, it's even a health hazard. Do you disagree?

His history doesn't show that he was coddled. That is a kid with severe mental health issues of which everyone was aware.

Yes indeed--coddled in that he was passed along--given too many chances in light of his violent tendencies. We must always have a dual focus in my opinion: yes, the severe mental health issues in mind, so not blaming the child for that; but also the safety and security of all others in mind GIVEN the severe mental illness.

We do an abysmal job of the latter in the public schools. And when I say abysmal, I mean abysmal. The reason we do, actually, is that we are largely compassionate, soft-hearted people with a propensity to champion "the underdog". But this gives us a HUGE blind spot toward all the other children we are charged to care for. To their great peril, actually. I see this everywhere.

He was expelled from school and was 19 at the time of the shooting. Besides not letting him in the day of the shooting, I'm not sure what the school could have done at that point. Now, if we go back and look at the whole policies in place back when he was attending school and trying to keep him out of jail then we have something. The problem is that he is mentally ill and jail isn't the place. He was shifted between 3 different schools just to keep him in school. At age 18 they are adults. Whatever services that were in place while he was a kid were gone and he had no family members around to give a damn. Even if they were they couldn't do anything because he was 18. He belonged in a long term psychiatric facility..........which doesn't exist.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is nothing EASIER about having a kid soiling himself at 5 years old!

So, you believe this trend of more and more not being trained has to do with what?

TBH, I do not believe it. OP would like me to believe that there are a growing number of parents out there who are happy to change their five year old's shitty diapers because they are too lazy to potty train them.
Nope. Never happened.
When I assessed child safety, if I saw a child that old who was not potty trained, I would ask what was going on and make sure the parent was on top of the problem. Actually, I only ran into it once with a school aged child, and she was so horribly neglected and abused that we took her into custody the day I met her. Wetting the bed, sure. But an otherwise normal kid? Even the most neglectful drug addicts don't want to deal with diapers, folks. At least that has been my experience.

OP routinely bitches about special needs students in regular classrooms and while I don't really blame her for blowing off steam, I think this is more of the same.

All you have is "blowing off steam" Old Lady. I come with links stats and articles, which you ignore, because they offend your snowflake sensibilities, as usual. Explosive, violent student behavior on the rise. Of course, the Left doesn't mind the violence at all if the students are diagnosed with some problem. If the student is diagnosed with some problem and you get your head bashed in, you should have ducked faster.

Victimology at work in our schools, everyone. Only, I'm telling you this now, the tide is slowly turning on this, and gen ed parents are getting really darn sick and tired of their own children having to walk out of their classrooms two, three and more times a week because someone is in there destroying it.

Not to mention the real risk of their gen ed student getting injured.

Do try to keep up, Old Lady.

Explosive student behavior is on the rise in local schools and across the nation, a likely consequence of childhood traumas such as homelessness, poverty and drug abuse. It’s a problem that will only be fixed by increased supports for students, additional school staff and strong connections between schools, pediatricians, mental health professionals and other community support groups, say educators and other youth professionals.

In a survey by Longview’s branch of Service Employees International Union — which represents staff such as teachers aides, bus drivers and cafeteria workers — 90% of respondents said they visited a school nurse for medical assistance after being injured during a student’s behavioral outburst. Almost 40% said their injuries required a hospital visit or some other off-site licensed medical provider.

“You go back a few years, and these things weren’t happening then,” said Crystal Tift, a teaching aide who has worked in school behavior programs for more than a decade.

A 2011 American Psychological Association survey of 3,000 teachers from 48 states revealed that at least 44% of teachers reported being physically attacked over the course of a year. However, based on more recent studies by various teaching association, the percentage of teachers being attacked in schools is likely closer to 80%, according to a 2017 article by the national threat response technology company RAVE Mobile Solutions.

Local, national schools face rising number of explosively violent kids

the Left doesn't mind the violence at all if the students are diagnosed with some problem....Victimology at work in our schools, everyone.

Did I tell you, Marion Morrison?

The same old same old from her--the nasty left all around her.....

Absolutely, the Left has authored the victimology cult in our culture. They absolutely own every bit of that.

I don't know why that's funny, Old Lady. The Left, and Democrats, are mired in Identity Politics. Being a Victim is their currency. This is beyond dispute.

 

[OldLady]

There is nothing EASIER about having a kid soiling himself at 5 years old!

So, you believe this trend of more and more not being trained has to do with what?

TBH, I do not believe it. OP would like me to believe that there are a growing number of parents out there who are happy to change their five year old's shitty diapers because they are too lazy to potty train them.
Nope. Never happened.
When I assessed child safety, if I saw a child that old who was not potty trained, I would ask what was going on and make sure the parent was on top of the problem. Actually, I only ran into it once with a school aged child, and she was so horribly neglected and abused that we took her into custody the day I met her. Wetting the bed, sure. But an otherwise normal kid? Even the most neglectful drug addicts don't want to deal with diapers, folks. At least that has been my experience.

OP routinely bitches about special needs students in regular classrooms and while I don't really blame her for blowing off steam, I think this is more of the same.

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

 

[Disir]

It's about money. It's sold to the public as about giving a damn but it's about money.

 

[SweetSue92]

Secondly, to back track (on an individual basis rather than as a group) through their personal history.

good point....so what we've here is a canned study ,done w/bias and conjecture

then used to demonize a target group>>>>

"The district told the Board of Education that there were only about six or eight students in the district. When we heard that, we knew that that wasn't correct, and this is one of the reasons that we did the study — and this was only a one-week study, I'm sure there are more than 43. Most of it is concentrated in kindergarten and pre-K. However, we have some students that are 5, 6 and 7 years old that are having a similar issue."

maybe they could investigarte climate change next....

~S~

Surveys offer only close ended questions. They don't go any further. They don't allow for any additional information. They can say whatever they want.

This is true.

You know a few folks here seem to have the idea that children will have no social implications from this. But they will, and that concerns me too. We may pretend that we can accommodate anything and the rules of social construct have been rewritten, but the facts are that mo

Secondly, to back track (on an individual basis rather than as a group) through their personal history.

good point....so what we've here is a canned study ,done w/bias and conjecture

then used to demonize a target group>>>>

"The district told the Board of Education that there were only about six or eight students in the district. When we heard that, we knew that that wasn't correct, and this is one of the reasons that we did the study — and this was only a one-week study, I'm sure there are more than 43. Most of it is concentrated in kindergarten and pre-K. However, we have some students that are 5, 6 and 7 years old that are having a similar issue."

maybe they could investigarte climate change next....

~S~

What "target group" is being "demonized", do tell?

You know the schools are in complete chaos because large swaths of people are cowed for fear of "demonizing" "target groups". But mark my words: people are fed up and ready to speak out.

Here's one hint for you: Nikolas Cruz. The problem was not his gun. The problem was that he was coddled all the way through because he was given a label and so his incredibly violent tendencies were either ignored or excused by "soft-hearted educators" who didn't want to "demonize" him.

So now, kids are dead.

That's what happens in the worst cases. In the smaller cases, we have six year olds pooping in their pants more and more and more and at least two posters here casting aspersions on those who say this isn't acceptable.

Well, it's isn't acceptable. Beyond that, it's even a health hazard. Do you disagree?

His history doesn't show that he was coddled. That is a kid with severe mental health issues of which everyone was aware.

Yes indeed--coddled in that he was passed along--given too many chances in light of his violent tendencies. We must always have a dual focus in my opinion: yes, the severe mental health issues in mind, so not blaming the child for that; but also the safety and security of all others in mind GIVEN the severe mental illness.

We do an abysmal job of the latter in the public schools. And when I say abysmal, I mean abysmal. The reason we do, actually, is that we are largely compassionate, soft-hearted people with a propensity to champion "the underdog". But this gives us a HUGE blind spot toward all the other children we are charged to care for. To their great peril, actually. I see this everywhere.

He was expelled from school and was 19 at the time of the shooting. Besides not letting him in the day of the shooting, I'm not sure what the school could have done at that point. Now, if we go back and look at the whole policies in place back when he was attending school and trying to keep him out of jail then we have something. The problem is that he is mentally ill and jail isn't the place. He was shifted between 3 different schools just to keep him in school. At age 18 they are adults. Whatever services that were in place while he was a kid were gone and he had no family members around to give a damn. Even if they were they couldn't do anything because he was 18. He belonged in a long term psychiatric facility..........which doesn't exist.

This is what I mean---going back years. Not when he was 19, but back years and years and years.

Personally I think we must have long-term psychiatric facilities back. From what I'm seeing on the front lines for some children we will have no choice very, very soon.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So, you believe this trend of more and more not being trained has to do with what?

TBH, I do not believe it. OP would like me to believe that there are a growing number of parents out there who are happy to change their five year old's shitty diapers because they are too lazy to potty train them.
Nope. Never happened.
When I assessed child safety, if I saw a child that old who was not potty trained, I would ask what was going on and make sure the parent was on top of the problem. Actually, I only ran into it once with a school aged child, and she was so horribly neglected and abused that we took her into custody the day I met her. Wetting the bed, sure. But an otherwise normal kid? Even the most neglectful drug addicts don't want to deal with diapers, folks. At least that has been my experience.

OP routinely bitches about special needs students in regular classrooms and while I don't really blame her for blowing off steam, I think this is more of the same.

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

I'd watch calling anyone ignorant if I were you, hag.

You're the consumate leftist...when someone dares to disagree with your loonology you get nasty and vicious. Sadly for you nobody gives a shit about some decrepit woman flapping her arms and yapping

 

[SweetSue92]

So, you believe this trend of more and more not being trained has to do with what?

TBH, I do not believe it. OP would like me to believe that there are a growing number of parents out there who are happy to change their five year old's shitty diapers because they are too lazy to potty train them.
Nope. Never happened.
When I assessed child safety, if I saw a child that old who was not potty trained, I would ask what was going on and make sure the parent was on top of the problem. Actually, I only ran into it once with a school aged child, and she was so horribly neglected and abused that we took her into custody the day I met her. Wetting the bed, sure. But an otherwise normal kid? Even the most neglectful drug addicts don't want to deal with diapers, folks. At least that has been my experience.

OP routinely bitches about special needs students in regular classrooms and while I don't really blame her for blowing off steam, I think this is more of the same.

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

I do not agree with YOU.

I DO NOT agree that special needs children should not be "mainstreamed" into my classroom. I ONLY agree with that when they are physically violent and so pose a risk to others.

I complain about these children in my room because this is increasingly the case that we are all at risk, my boneheaded politicians have made it so we cannot even touch these children literally, and so we must all evacuate the room. YOU took it beyond what I did not say and now you make me want to agree with you.

I don't. I couldn't begin to be where you are. Thank God for that.

 

[SweetSue92]

TBH, I do not believe it. OP would like me to believe that there are a growing number of parents out there who are happy to change their five year old's shitty diapers because they are too lazy to potty train them.
Nope. Never happened.
When I assessed child safety, if I saw a child that old who was not potty trained, I would ask what was going on and make sure the parent was on top of the problem. Actually, I only ran into it once with a school aged child, and she was so horribly neglected and abused that we took her into custody the day I met her. Wetting the bed, sure. But an otherwise normal kid? Even the most neglectful drug addicts don't want to deal with diapers, folks. At least that has been my experience.

OP routinely bitches about special needs students in regular classrooms and while I don't really blame her for blowing off steam, I think this is more of the same.

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

I'd watch calling anyone ignorant if I were you, hag.

You're the consumate leftist...when someone dares to disagree with your loonology you get nasty and vicious. Sadly for you nobody gives a shit about some decrepit woman flapping her arms and yapping

I'm beginning to think she has a personality disorder or something, geez

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

I'd watch calling anyone ignorant if I were you, hag.

You're the consumate leftist...when someone dares to disagree with your loonology you get nasty and vicious. Sadly for you nobody gives a shit about some decrepit woman flapping her arms and yapping

I'm beginning to think she has a personality disorder or something, geez

She does it all the time. Typical loon behavior

 

[Marion Morrison]

 

[OldLady]

TBH, I do not believe it. OP would like me to believe that there are a growing number of parents out there who are happy to change their five year old's shitty diapers because they are too lazy to potty train them.
Nope. Never happened.
When I assessed child safety, if I saw a child that old who was not potty trained, I would ask what was going on and make sure the parent was on top of the problem. Actually, I only ran into it once with a school aged child, and she was so horribly neglected and abused that we took her into custody the day I met her. Wetting the bed, sure. But an otherwise normal kid? Even the most neglectful drug addicts don't want to deal with diapers, folks. At least that has been my experience.

OP routinely bitches about special needs students in regular classrooms and while I don't really blame her for blowing off steam, I think this is more of the same.

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

I do not agree with YOU.

I DO NOT agree that special needs children should not be "mainstreamed" into my classroom. I ONLY agree with that when they are physically violent and so pose a risk to others.

I complain about these children in my room because this is increasingly the case that we are all at risk, my boneheaded politicians have made it so we cannot even touch these children literally, and so we must all evacuate the room. YOU took it beyond what I did not say and now you make me want to agree with you.

I don't. I couldn't begin to be where you are. Thank God for that.

I ONLY agree with that when they are physically violent
That's what I said.

 

[Disir]

Secondly, to back track (on an individual basis rather than as a group) through their personal history.

good point....so what we've here is a canned study ,done w/bias and conjecture

then used to demonize a target group>>>>

"The district told the Board of Education that there were only about six or eight students in the district. When we heard that, we knew that that wasn't correct, and this is one of the reasons that we did the study — and this was only a one-week study, I'm sure there are more than 43. Most of it is concentrated in kindergarten and pre-K. However, we have some students that are 5, 6 and 7 years old that are having a similar issue."

maybe they could investigarte climate change next....

~S~

Surveys offer only close ended questions. They don't go any further. They don't allow for any additional information. They can say whatever they want.

This is true.

You know a few folks here seem to have the idea that children will have no social implications from this. But they will, and that concerns me too. We may pretend that we can accommodate anything and the rules of social construct have been rewritten, but the facts are that mo

good point....so what we've here is a canned study ,done w/bias and conjecture

then used to demonize a target group>>>>

maybe they could investigarte climate change next....

~S~

What "target group" is being "demonized", do tell?

You know the schools are in complete chaos because large swaths of people are cowed for fear of "demonizing" "target groups". But mark my words: people are fed up and ready to speak out.

Here's one hint for you: Nikolas Cruz. The problem was not his gun. The problem was that he was coddled all the way through because he was given a label and so his incredibly violent tendencies were either ignored or excused by "soft-hearted educators" who didn't want to "demonize" him.

So now, kids are dead.

That's what happens in the worst cases. In the smaller cases, we have six year olds pooping in their pants more and more and more and at least two posters here casting aspersions on those who say this isn't acceptable.

Well, it's isn't acceptable. Beyond that, it's even a health hazard. Do you disagree?

His history doesn't show that he was coddled. That is a kid with severe mental health issues of which everyone was aware.

Yes indeed--coddled in that he was passed along--given too many chances in light of his violent tendencies. We must always have a dual focus in my opinion: yes, the severe mental health issues in mind, so not blaming the child for that; but also the safety and security of all others in mind GIVEN the severe mental illness.

We do an abysmal job of the latter in the public schools. And when I say abysmal, I mean abysmal. The reason we do, actually, is that we are largely compassionate, soft-hearted people with a propensity to champion "the underdog". But this gives us a HUGE blind spot toward all the other children we are charged to care for. To their great peril, actually. I see this everywhere.

He was expelled from school and was 19 at the time of the shooting. Besides not letting him in the day of the shooting, I'm not sure what the school could have done at that point. Now, if we go back and look at the whole policies in place back when he was attending school and trying to keep him out of jail then we have something. The problem is that he is mentally ill and jail isn't the place. He was shifted between 3 different schools just to keep him in school. At age 18 they are adults. Whatever services that were in place while he was a kid were gone and he had no family members around to give a damn. Even if they were they couldn't do anything because he was 18. He belonged in a long term psychiatric facility..........which doesn't exist.

This is what I mean---going back years. Not when he was 19, but back years and years and years.

Personally I think we must have long-term psychiatric facilities back. From what I'm seeing on the front lines for some children we will have no choice very, very soon.

There are many posters that are in agreement with that but we have 2 problems. 1-rights and 2-money.

 

[OldLady]

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I should know better than to visit one of "Sweet" Sue's threads before my coffee. Self righteous fakes like her need to be approached with full control.

 

[Erinwltr]

You read that right. Not only in my district but apparently everywhere. Students coming to kindergarten and REMAINING in kind. in pull-ups. And having bowel "accidents" in pull-ups. Many of these students are not special needs, either. They have no known medical, physical, behavioral or emotional problems.

Naturally the important thing is that these students not be mocked and feel no pressure whatsoever....

Buffalo Teachers Say Having To Change Kids' Diapers Is A Bum Deal

It all comes naturally.....they are preparing and teaching the stinky ones to be released in these Demrats areas.....


May be the DemonRats like it like that...... the stinkier and more disgusting the better...

Who does this sock belong to?

 

[strollingbones]

when one thinks that its all the left then explain how in this county which is mainly republican and christian has these same issues....lazy parents exist on both sides...and trying to make it a political issue ignores the true root of the problem.....the us doesnt give a damn about kids they have zero value in the big picture of policy and money

 

[OldLady]

This thread doesn't even belong under "education." It belongs under politics, which is Sweet Sue's agenda everywhere.

 

[strollingbones]

i dont think you can discuss education in the us without discussing the politics of it...esp since texas controls the textbooks

 

[Marion Morrison]

when one thinks that its all the left then explain how in this county which is mainly republican and christian has these same issues....lazy parents exist on both sides...and trying to make it a political issue ignores the true root of the problem.....the us doesnt give a damn about kids they have zero value in the big picture of policy and money

^bones has a valid point. I'd be asking questions like: "Do they pay for the diapers themselves, or does Uncle Sugar pick up the tab?"

 

[strollingbones]

Hell Marion i bet the parents drop off diapers and wipes just like they did in daycare

 

[SweetSue92]

I won the top award given in my huge district for serving special needs students Old Lady, so you can take whatever got into your cheerios yesterday, roll it, light it, and smoke it right on up.

Because I serve all the students in the building, I see the needs of ALL the students. And you best believe when classrooms are routinely being evacuated because someone loses their crap AGAIN, the entire thing is out of whack.

You don't like that I say that, that hurts your delicate sensibilities, I don't care. But you remember, in five years, when the pendulum swings back again so much that we're all talking about it, that Sue was ahead of that curve.

If you won an award, no wonder you have to come here anonymously to tell us how you really feel.

You've got me wrong, though. I'm just observing a truth, which point you just made again. You don't like these special needs students in your classroom(s). I am not a huge proponent of mainstreaming disruptive or high needs children. I would be shot if I said so out loud, so like you I am saying it here.

You might as well just tell the truth, Sue, instead of pretending to be your award winning self. If they only knew.

Oh so you're projecting. Interesting.

I never said "I don't like these special needs students in my classroom" and in fact I don't feel that way at all. So DO NOT put words in my mouth, and do not speak for me.

I think we have gone way too far when the students are at risk of physically harming their teachers and other children--and we are there. We have been there for awhile. And do not think I haven't said this in the district where I work---I have, to my admin. Many times.

Again, do not project YOUR thoughts about "mainstreaming"--we don't use that term anymore btw--on me. I don't think that way.

I just told you, you ignorant bitch, that I agree with you. And you're still spitting all over me. Just go ahead and finish your bullshit rant. I've heard plenty of them from teachers like you in many a teacher's room. You make me sick.

I do not agree with YOU.

I DO NOT agree that special needs children should not be "mainstreamed" into my classroom. I ONLY agree with that when they are physically violent and so pose a risk to others.

I complain about these children in my room because this is increasingly the case that we are all at risk, my boneheaded politicians have made it so we cannot even touch these children literally, and so we must all evacuate the room. YOU took it beyond what I did not say and now you make me want to agree with you.

I don't. I couldn't begin to be where you are. Thank God for that.

I ONLY agree with that when they are physically violent
That's what I said.

You said "disruptive or high needs". That's not physically violent.