A peek into the much-awaited Repeal and Replace machinations...

[idb]

Get rid of obamacare, keep the existing condition, throw out the mandate.

They can't pay for the care of terminally ill people without mandating healthy people to pay for it.

Yes, at last, someone explains how insurance works in terms that everyone can understand.

 

[BulletProof]

Get rid of obamacare, keep the existing condition, throw out the mandate.

Why should people buy insurance before they're sick, if the insurance companies are forced to cover them with pre-existing conditions? Are you trying to get coverage for your pre-existing condition of being brain-dead?

 

[reconmark]

Get rid of obamacare, keep the existing condition, throw out the mandate.

Why should people buy insurance before they're sick, if the insurance companies are forced to cover them with pre-existing conditions? Are you trying to get coverage for your pre-existing condition of being brain-dead?

Please dispel any idea that you are this stupid...

 

[reconmark]

Included in the GOP's effort to give Americans better healthcare...
They want to slash or eliminate all of the following:

1. Ambulatory patient services (outpatient services)
2. Emergency services
3. Hospitalization
4. Maternity and newborn care
5. Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment
6. Prescription drugs
7. Rehabilitative and habilitative services (those that help patients acquire, maintain, or improve skills necessary for daily functioning) and devices
8. Laboratory services
9. Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
10. Pediatric services, including oral and vision care

 

[Defiant1]

They can't pay for the care of terminally ill people without mandating healthy people to pay for it.

Sure, because car insurance companies "love"to pay for car crashes claims WITHOUT ever charging premiums to those who do not have car crashes.

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

It is for everyone who wants to drive a car.

Only if you want to drive on public roads.

 

[whitehall]

Why do lefties keep fooling themselves into thinking that the terminally ill ACA is going to recover when it's clearly dying? Whatever the GOP comes up with has got to be better.

 

[Defiant1]

They can't pay for the care of terminally ill people without mandating healthy people to pay for it.

Sure, because car insurance companies "love"to pay for car crashes claims WITHOUT ever charging premiums to those who do not have car crashes.

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

It is for everyone who wants to drive a car.

And I only need to purchase coverage for the damage to others, not to me or my car.

 

[bendog]

Why do lefties keep fooling themselves into thinking that the terminally ill ACA is going to recover when it's clearly dying? Whatever the GOP comes up with has got to be better.

True but the question is whether the gop's latest bill is an attempt to improve what there is.

 

[bendog]

Included in the GOP's effort to give Americans better healthcare...
They want to slash or eliminate all of the following:

1. Ambulatory patient services (outpatient services)
2. Emergency services
3. Hospitalization
4. Maternity and newborn care
5. Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment
6. Prescription drugs
7. Rehabilitative and habilitative services (those that help patients acquire, maintain, or improve skills necessary for daily functioning) and devices
8. Laboratory services
9. Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
10. Pediatric services, including oral and vision care

Isn't everything pretty much left to the states to cover what they want to cover? That's my understanding. And I don't mind that so much IF the gop was maintaining funding for HC

 

[nat4900]

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

Yes, if you do NOT drive, then auto insurance is not required....BUT, unless you're planning on NEVER requiring health insurance, you're shit out of luck.

BTW.....Gotta keep educating right wingers....a never ending, uphill task:

Currently, TWO states Do Not Require Car Insurance

• New Hampshire: Although car insurance is not mandatory in NH, you are still responsible for damages up to $50,000 for liability and $25,000 for property damage. Expect a suspended license and registration for not being able to pay for damages of an accident you or your vehicle caused.
• Virginia: Don't want to pay for car insurance in Virginia? You have the option to pay the state $500 annually but that would not provide any coverage. You would still be held liable if you caused an accident.

 

[nat4900]

Only if you want to drive on public roads.

True......bumper cars at the State Fair do not require auto insurance......LOL

 

[bendog]

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

Yes, if you do NOT drive, then auto insurance is not required....BUT, unless you're planning on NEVER requiring health insurance, you're shit out of luck.

BTW.....Gotta keep educating right wingers....a never ending, uphill task:

Currently, TWO states Do Not Require Car Insurance

• New Hampshire: Although car insurance is not mandatory in NH, you are still responsible for damages up to $50,000 for liability and $25,000 for property damage. Expect a suspended license and registration for not being able to pay for damages of an accident you or your vehicle caused.
• Virginia: Don't want to pay for car insurance in Virginia? You have the option to pay the state $500 annually but that would not provide any coverage. You would still be held liable if you caused an accident.

You're focusing on whether the gummit can make you buy something. The facts are that the Founders had govts that forced people to buy specific firearms for militia use ... or pay a penalty. So to say this is somehow never considered by the Founders is bullshit, but that ALL misses the point. We have not had laws mandating one buy something. But OBamacare doesn't mandate one buy. It increases taxes for those who don't.

And if you don't buy a house, you will pay more in taxes. If you don't buy a 401k, you will pay more. If you don't donate to your church/colleg, you will pay more. If you don't HAVE KIDS you pay more. The government uses taxes to coerce behavior all the time. There's no constitutional argument.

 

[nat4900]

Isn't everything pretty much left to the states to cover what they want to cover?

For red states, the "best" way to get rid of their poor and have them relocate to wealthier (and bluer) states, would be to pass this catastrophe of a HC bill.

Expect massive migration patterns.....(and then, LESS House representatives in these red states.)

 

[nat4900]

You're focusing on whether the gummit can make you buy something. The facts are that the Founders had govts that forced people to buy specific firearms for militia use ... or pay a penalty. So to say this is somehow never considered by the Founders is bullshit, but that ALL misses the point. We have not had laws mandating one buy something. But OBamacare doesn't mandate one buy. It increases taxes for those who don't.

And if you don't buy a house, you will pay more in taxes. If you don't buy a 401k, you will pay more. If you don't donate to your church/colleg, you will pay more. If you don't HAVE KIDS you pay more. The government uses taxes to coerce behavior all the time. There's no constitutional argument.

What right wing nitwits NEVER consider is this.......

If a non-insured, poor person is forced to go to an ER at the local hospital for diabetes or dialysis, or cancer treatments, do hospitals 'forgive" such visits and NOT pass on the costs to these same idiotic right wingers when they need to use that same hospital???...........Yes or fucking no?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Get rid of obamacare, keep the existing condition, throw out the mandate.

Fucking "brilliant".......Gee, no one ever thought of the above.....

(moron, tell the truth, who turns on your 'puter for you?)

Its simple and it works without govt. The previous buffoon admin gave us a 2000 page, 50lb law that is abolutely worthless and imploding.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You're focusing on whether the gummit can make you buy something. The facts are that the Founders had govts that forced people to buy specific firearms for militia use ... or pay a penalty. So to say this is somehow never considered by the Founders is bullshit, but that ALL misses the point. We have not had laws mandating one buy something. But OBamacare doesn't mandate one buy. It increases taxes for those who don't.

And if you don't buy a house, you will pay more in taxes. If you don't buy a 401k, you will pay more. If you don't donate to your church/colleg, you will pay more. If you don't HAVE KIDS you pay more. The government uses taxes to coerce behavior all the time. There's no constitutional argument.

What right wing nitwits NEVER consider is this.......

If a non-insured, poor person is forced to go to an ER at the local hospital for diabetes or dialysis, or cancer treatments, do hospitals 'forgive" such visits and NOT pass on the costs to these same idiotic right wingers when they need to use that same hospital???...........Yes or fucking no?

And theyre doing the same thing now WITH obamacare. You have no point.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They can't pay for the care of terminally ill people without mandating healthy people to pay for it.

Sure, because car insurance companies "love"to pay for car crashes claims WITHOUT ever charging premiums to those who do not have car crashes.

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

It is for everyone who wants to drive a car.

Who mandates those? States or Fed? If you don't own or drive a car, are you required by law to obtain insurance for a vehicle?

 

[leftwinger]

They can't pay for the care of terminally ill people without mandating healthy people to pay for it.

Sure, because car insurance companies "love"to pay for car crashes claims WITHOUT ever charging premiums to those who do not have car crashes.

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

It is for everyone who wants to drive a car.

Except for illegals...they get the DL but no insurance.

 

[nat4900]

They can't pay for the care of terminally ill people without mandating healthy people to pay for it.

Sure, because car insurance companies "love"to pay for car crashes claims WITHOUT ever charging premiums to those who do not have car crashes.

Auto insurance is not mandated for everyone.

It is for everyone who wants to drive a car.

Who mandates those? States or Fed? If you don't own or drive a car, are you required by law to obtain insurance for a vehicle?

Bottom line:

If you don't own a car, you need not get auto insurance.....

and, if you don't have a fucking brain, you don't need health insurance either.

(Ergo, most right wingers, then, don't need health insurance.....LOL)

 

[nat4900]

Except for illegals...they get the DL but no insurance.

WOW, you actually WROTE something instead of your usual smiley faces???

You must be exhausted......Go back to your nap.......LOL