A Prediction. The Dems will romp in the next election.

[westwall]

Aww, how nice. that Fascist Dictator Obama is FORCING them to get immigration REFORM done. You see folks Obama hasn't learned a gawddam thing with you kicking his party out of the house first and now the Senate. And as if we needed it Reformed just because he says to needs to be. which will turn out like how he REFORMED our heath care

garbage, expensive, Fascism, etc and then Hopefully the people will ROMP out the Democrats from the Presidency and from ALL power over us, NEXT.

so you don't want anything done about immigration , you just wanted to call the POTUS a few talking point names. .. got it.

if the Republicans really wanted to pass immigration legislation they had THE OPPORTUNITY when 43 was the POTUS and the Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress (remember that - lol)

but nooooooooooooo ... what did the idiots do?????? oh yeah, they built a half ass fence that wound up costing taxpayers a billion bucks. At cost like that I can't see this country affording any more Republican immigration legislation myself.

The only reform that needs to be done is streamline the existing process. Seal the border. Deport all who are here illegally. Anything else is an attack on the sovereignty of the USA promulgated by a bunch of corrupt Mexican plutocrats who foist off their problems on us. Mexico is the 5th wealthiest country in the world in terms of mineral wealth and they have a small ruling elite that fuck over campesinos and send them north to relive the pressure.

Fuck that. Let Mexico have a proper revolution and get rid of those scumbags.

 

[80zephyr]

Nothing is infallible. If fences don't work, then the millions of miles of security fences across this nation are useless as well, right? Add to that any security measure anywhere, since none has 100% safety record.

Say, when you go to bed at night, do you lock your doors?

Mark

logic and reasoning aren't your strong suits are they?

Why? If you say it won't work, then it is incumbent on you to explain why. If a fence doesn't work, why are they still being installed today?

Door locks don't work either, I assume, because we still have break ins. Should people just give up locking their doors?


Mark

incumbent this sport ..

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncst.../img/fn-latino/news/0/0/Border Fence Peek.jpg

then incumbent this .. you fence moron.

Fixing holes in border fence a never-ending task for U.S. agents - East Valley Local News - EVTNow

And? Providing the American people with government work is a time honored leftist tradition. Fixing a few holes and placing a few guards is a fair trade for the billions we save not providing services to low educated illegals.

A better "bang for your buck" would be hard to find, actually.

Mark

and what? Being Incumbent as YOU say, I gave you proof of exactly how worthless a 1.2 billion dollar fence is .. your request.

AND you still want to complete the fence ?

Yes or no?

And I gave you numerous reasons why the savings would outweigh any costs, by a long shot. Whats the matter? Why not create jobs maintaining/guarding a fence, thereby saving money we wouldn't have to spend with these illegals using our welfare state?

So in essence, your concerns have been answered. I get the feeling that you don't like a fence for other reasons, is that true?

Mark

 

[Roadrunner]

As the GOP takes control of both Houses, we have a president that is forcing them to get immigration reform done or he will take unilateral action.

My prediction is that the GOP controlled Congress will send Obama a bill he will sign, that will include some kind of path to citizenship for those illegals already here.

In conservative circles, immigration is a hot button issue. If passed a good many people will either break away from the GOP and form a new party to combat the "Democratic Lite" GOP party, or they will refuse to vote for them in 2016. With this type of split, the Dems are virtually guaranteed to win almost every race.

My hope is that the GOP see's this issue as being absolutely crucial to their hold on power, and they don't do what I think they are going to.

Mark

Ok, so, if this is such a hot-button issue, why then didn't voters just vote in more Dems and be done with it?

lol

Statergery!!!

Gotta elect a lot of R's so Obama can make them look bad.

 

[Siete]

The GOP doesnt have to do anything on immigration. They probably will. And with any luck they will dodge the two extremes. Those would be the "Build a bigger fence and deport all illegals" on one side and "let everyone in and sign them up for welfare at the door" on the other.

A path to citizenship will split the party in two.

Mark

A lot of people will scream "Amnesty" but cooler heads will prevail.
If the radical anti immigration were so powerful Tom Tancredo would have been the presidential candidate.

What do you consider "radical"?

Mark

Build a fence, mine it, turn America into a police state.

Is protecting your borders a police state? If true, we already are a police state.

Mark

yes or no ?

 

[Roadrunner]

The GOP doesnt have to do anything on immigration. They probably will. And with any luck they will dodge the two extremes. Those would be the "Build a bigger fence and deport all illegals" on one side and "let everyone in and sign them up for welfare at the door" on the other.

I say let them in and let them work, no welfare for them, no welfare for any American that refuses a job an immigrant applies for.

If we can track every Americans entire medical life through PP/ACA, we can keep track of who wants to work, and who wants to starve.

 

[Roadrunner]

The GOP doesnt have to do anything on immigration. They probably will. And with any luck they will dodge the two extremes. Those would be the "Build a bigger fence and deport all illegals" on one side and "let everyone in and sign them up for welfare at the door" on the other.

A path to citizenship will split the party in two.

Mark

I say no path to citizenship unless they go home, and apply legally.

Those here, can continue to work if registered, ID'd , and understand NO CITIZENSHIP EVER.

14th should be repealed, or amended, to deny their kids citizenship too.

 

[Silhouette]

A Prediction. The Dems will romp in the next election.

A Prediction. No, they won't..

 

[Roadrunner]

apparently you need to get out more ... some moron hopped the WH fence and made it to the front porch a couple of weeks ago... durrrrrrr Fence durrrrrr

Nothing is infallible. If fences don't work, then the millions of miles of security fences across this nation are useless as well, right? Add to that any security measure anywhere, since none has 100% safety record.

Say, when you go to bed at night, do you lock your doors?

Mark

logic and reasoning aren't your strong suits are they?

Why? If you say it won't work, then it is incumbent on you to explain why. If a fence doesn't work, why are they still being installed today?

Door locks don't work either, I assume, because we still have break ins. Should people just give up locking their doors?


Mark

incumbent this sport ..

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncst.../img/fn-latino/news/0/0/Border Fence Peek.jpg

then incumbent this .. you fence moron.

Fixing holes in border fence a never-ending task for U.S. agents - East Valley Local News - EVTNow

And? Providing the American people with government work is a time honored leftist tradition. Fixing a few holes and placing a few guards is a fair trade for the billions we save not providing services to low educated illegals.

A better "bang for your buck" would be hard to find, actually.

Mark

Worked for FDR, got millions in good shape, taught them how to work together, and got us ready for WWII.

Much bang for the buck in government work/training programs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The progressives (in both parties) have been in charge since 1912. The federal income tax irretrievably shifted the power to Washington D. C. Witness WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, so on and so forth. You cut subsidies and tax welfare to the great corporations, they would scream and send out mercenaries from Assassins Creed.

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP doesnt have to do anything on immigration. They probably will. And with any luck they will dodge the two extremes. Those would be the "Build a bigger fence and deport all illegals" on one side and "let everyone in and sign them up for welfare at the door" on the other.

A path to citizenship will split the party in two.

Mark

A lot of people will scream "Amnesty" but cooler heads will prevail.
If the radical anti immigration were so powerful Tom Tancredo would have been the presidential candidate.

What do you consider "radical"?

Mark

Build a fence, mine it, turn America into a police state.

Is protecting your borders a police state? If true, we already are a police state.

Mark

Protecting the border is not the same as militarizing it. Look at places that have high walls, mines and soldiers trained to shoot. China. North Korea. The old Soviet Union. Is that really what we want here?
Change the law so people who legitimately want to come here to work can. That will cut illegal crossings by a serious magnitude.

 

[Siete]

enter the yes or no crickets.. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Next contestant.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Republicans should have built a full-assed fence when they had the chance.

bullshit ...

and the Mexicans wouldn't cut holes in a full fence and help themselves to American soil?

enforce the damn laws on the books TO THE LETTER OR stfu about immigration LAWS ... PERIOD!

I favour a machine gun every 300 yards, until this shit stops.

I'd also like to see workers get to go through a gate, get photo ID, finger printed, and iris scanned.

If things got better, I'd forgo the microchipping for now.

What do you suppose it would cost to man a machine gun every 300 yards? By my reckoning that's nearly 12,000 machine guns, not to mention the supply, transportation etc.

 

[The Rabbi]

Aww, how nice. that Fascist Dictator Obama is FORCING them to get immigration REFORM done. You see folks Obama hasn't learned a gawddam thing with you kicking his party out of the house first and now the Senate. And as if we needed it Reformed just because he says to needs to be. which will turn out like how he REFORMED our heath care

garbage, expensive, Fascism, etc and then Hopefully the people will ROMP out the Democrats from the Presidency and from ALL power over us, NEXT.

so you don't want anything done about immigration , you just wanted to call the POTUS a few talking point names. .. got it.

if the Republicans really wanted to pass immigration legislation they had THE OPPORTUNITY when 43 was the POTUS and the Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress (remember that - lol)

but nooooooooooooo ... what did the idiots do?????? oh yeah, they built a half ass fence that wound up costing taxpayers a billion bucks. At cost like that I can't see this country affording any more Republican immigration legislation myself.

The only reform that needs to be done is streamline the existing process. Seal the border. Deport all who are here illegally. Anything else is an attack on the sovereignty of the USA promulgated by a bunch of corrupt Mexican plutocrats who foist off their problems on us. Mexico is the 5th wealthiest country in the world in terms of mineral wealth and they have a small ruling elite that fuck over campesinos and send them north to relive the pressure.

Fuck that. Let Mexico have a proper revolution and get rid of those scumbags.

What would it cost to deport 11M people? It's about $20k per so do the math. What would we get in exchange? Keep in mnd some people have been deported 2 and 3 times.

 

[Siete]

The Republicans should have built a full-assed fence when they had the chance.

bullshit ...

and the Mexicans wouldn't cut holes in a full fence and help themselves to American soil?

enforce the damn laws on the books TO THE LETTER OR stfu about immigration LAWS ... PERIOD!

I favour a machine gun every 300 yards, until this shit stops.

I'd also like to see workers get to go through a gate, get photo ID, finger printed, and iris scanned.

If things got better, I'd forgo the microchipping for now.

What do you suppose it would cost to man a machine gun every 300 yards? By my reckoning that's nearly 12,000 machine guns, not to mention the supply, transportation etc.

far more than it would cost to provide meds for idiots like you ...

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP doesnt have to do anything on immigration. They probably will. And with any luck they will dodge the two extremes. Those would be the "Build a bigger fence and deport all illegals" on one side and "let everyone in and sign them up for welfare at the door" on the other.

I say let them in and let them work, no welfare for them, no welfare for any American that refuses a job an immigrant applies for.

If we can track every Americans entire medical life through PP/ACA, we can keep track of who wants to work, and who wants to starve.

OK so you're basically in favor of documenting every American as well. Because you can't really distinguish an illegal immigrant from a legal American any other way.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Republicans should have built a full-assed fence when they had the chance.

bullshit ...

and the Mexicans wouldn't cut holes in a full fence and help themselves to American soil?

enforce the damn laws on the books TO THE LETTER OR stfu about immigration LAWS ... PERIOD!

I favour a machine gun every 300 yards, until this shit stops.

I'd also like to see workers get to go through a gate, get photo ID, finger printed, and iris scanned.

If things got better, I'd forgo the microchipping for now.

What do you suppose it would cost to man a machine gun every 300 yards? By my reckoning that's nearly 12,000 machine guns, not to mention the supply, transportation etc.

far more than it would cost to provide meds for idiots like you ...

Link?

 

[Siete]

The GOP doesnt have to do anything on immigration. They probably will. And with any luck they will dodge the two extremes. Those would be the "Build a bigger fence and deport all illegals" on one side and "let everyone in and sign them up for welfare at the door" on the other.

I say let them in and let them work, no welfare for them, no welfare for any American that refuses a job an immigrant applies for.

If we can track every Americans entire medical life through PP/ACA, we can keep track of who wants to work, and who wants to starve.

OK so you're basically in favor of documenting every American as well. Because you can't really distinguish an illegal immigrant from a legal American any other way.

why not? we went terrorist huntin' 9000 miles from home under the same damn guise ...

 

[Siete]

The Republicans should have built a full-assed fence when they had the chance.

bullshit ...

and the Mexicans wouldn't cut holes in a full fence and help themselves to American soil?

enforce the damn laws on the books TO THE LETTER OR stfu about immigration LAWS ... PERIOD!

I favour a machine gun every 300 yards, until this shit stops.

I'd also like to see workers get to go through a gate, get photo ID, finger printed, and iris scanned.

If things got better, I'd forgo the microchipping for now.

What do you suppose it would cost to man a machine gun every 300 yards? By my reckoning that's nearly 12,000 machine guns, not to mention the supply, transportation etc.

far more than it would cost to provide meds for idiots like you ...

Link?

your breath and a pair of dirty socks are linked together, so

 

[westwall]

Aww, how nice. that Fascist Dictator Obama is FORCING them to get immigration REFORM done. You see folks Obama hasn't learned a gawddam thing with you kicking his party out of the house first and now the Senate. And as if we needed it Reformed just because he says to needs to be. which will turn out like how he REFORMED our heath care

garbage, expensive, Fascism, etc and then Hopefully the people will ROMP out the Democrats from the Presidency and from ALL power over us, NEXT.

so you don't want anything done about immigration , you just wanted to call the POTUS a few talking point names. .. got it.

if the Republicans really wanted to pass immigration legislation they had THE OPPORTUNITY when 43 was the POTUS and the Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress (remember that - lol)

but nooooooooooooo ... what did the idiots do?????? oh yeah, they built a half ass fence that wound up costing taxpayers a billion bucks. At cost like that I can't see this country affording any more Republican immigration legislation myself.

The only reform that needs to be done is streamline the existing process. Seal the border. Deport all who are here illegally. Anything else is an attack on the sovereignty of the USA promulgated by a bunch of corrupt Mexican plutocrats who foist off their problems on us. Mexico is the 5th wealthiest country in the world in terms of mineral wealth and they have a small ruling elite that fuck over campesinos and send them north to relive the pressure.

Fuck that. Let Mexico have a proper revolution and get rid of those scumbags.

What would it cost to deport 11M people? It's about $20k per so do the math. What would we get in exchange? Keep in mnd some people have been deported 2 and 3 times.

The problem is they don't STAY deported. Because there's no border defense. At 20k each to deport that is cheaper than the environmental, economic, and criminal damage that they inflict on the US. At least four hospitals along the border have been closed due to losses thanks to the illegal problem. BILLIONS of dollars are squandered every year to support those who haven't paid a dime into the system.

As I stated earlier, a 20 foot high wall, with an 8 foot tubular steel structure along the top and anchored at least 20 feet deep in areas that are readily accessible, and troops in training, supported by technology, along the border where access isn't easy would serve to protect our borders.

The troops have to be trained anyway, and this way they get to do double duty at the same time.

 

[Kondor3]

As the GOP takes control of both Houses, we have a president that is forcing them to get immigration reform done or he will take unilateral action.

My prediction is that the GOP controlled Congress will send Obama a bill he will sign, that will include some kind of path to citizenship for those illegals already here.

In conservative circles, immigration is a hot button issue. If passed a good many people will either break away from the GOP and form a new party to combat the "Democratic Lite" GOP party, or they will refuse to vote for them in 2016. With this type of split, the Dems are virtually guaranteed to win almost every race.

My hope is that the GOP see's this issue as being absolutely crucial to their hold on power, and they don't do what I think they are going to.

Mark

The Democrats are responsible for much mischief and mayhem in recent years.

Fortunately, their autocratic social engineering efforts are drawing to a close.

They have, in all probability, damaged their 'brand' for the next decade or so.

Mainstream America despises what the Failed Messiah and his Minions are doing with...

1. homosexual marriage

2. weakened national defense capability

3. socialized medicine

4. immigration reform (a.k.a. Shamnesty)

5. drawing lines in the sand, and then not acting on them, in a foreign policy context

6. executive orders

Most are eagerly awaiting January 20, 2017, when the next Republican President will take office, to serve alongside a Republican-controlled Congress.

The Democrats have had their turn, and delivered very little of lasting value.

Time's up.

It's time for the other guys to get another turn.