A Rubicon moment for Trump

[Norman]

Democrats are done. Trump won.

 

[Polishprince]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

You libs don't like golf I guess, that's why it can be eliminated for an indefinite time.

Abortion and Sodomy aren't essential either, would you be willing to eliminate them "for a time"?

 

[theHawk]

Trump dismisses all expert advice and vows to reopen America | ITV News

Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike in the coming few weeks. So what is President Trump’s response? | ITV National News

www.itv.com

The President delivered a bizarre and erratic performance from the White House podium on Monday night.
Well, more than erratic. Alarming.
Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike with full intensity in the coming few weeks.
Already the death toll is over 500.
And it’s expected to increase rapidly over the next few days, with New York the national hotspot.
So what is President Trump’s response?
In rambling comments that defy the global consensus he is suggesting that he might soon lift some of the restrictions being imposed on citizens and businesses.
Yes, you read that correctly. Lift the restrictions.

Its certainly a bold move. I think he is gambling that it will work out and he will have saved the world. But the evidence from around the world is that lockdowns work and that this will cause the disease to spread further. He is playing politics with peoples lives.A Rubicon moment indeed.

We know you globalist assholes that hate capitalism want to see America’s economy fail. So have fun with whatever fascist governments spring up in Europe because of a flu virus.

We’ll deal with our dead and the country will continue to move forward.

 

[theHawk]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

God forbid allowing free people to make their own decisions, eh?
LOL, the fascism is really coming out in the far left. Have fun in Canada being locked down.

 

[Correll]

Trump dismisses all expert advice and vows to reopen America | ITV News

Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike in the coming few weeks. So what is President Trump’s response? | ITV National News

www.itv.com

The President delivered a bizarre and erratic performance from the White House podium on Monday night.
Well, more than erratic. Alarming.
Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike with full intensity in the coming few weeks.
Already the death toll is over 500.
And it’s expected to increase rapidly over the next few days, with New York the national hotspot.
So what is President Trump’s response?
In rambling comments that defy the global consensus he is suggesting that he might soon lift some of the restrictions being imposed on citizens and businesses.
Yes, you read that correctly. Lift the restrictions.

Its certainly a bold move. I think he is gambling that it will work out and he will have saved the world. But the evidence from around the world is that lockdowns work and that this will cause the disease to spread further. He is playing politics with peoples lives.A Rubicon moment indeed.

Over 500? Wow. IN a nation of 300 million.

 

[kyzr]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

If you were watching CNBC this morning, one of the "Hate Trump" networks, they were having guest speakers like Paul Krugman supporting Trump's "don't quarantine too long" position. Jim Kramer was also pushing for a "sooner rather than later" re-opening. Nancy Pelosi was on presenting her position and dire warnings. Trump has a lose-lose decision, no matter what he decides he will be criticized severely.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

I think we should remain in isolation until there are enough masks for every citizen. Afterwards we go back to normal and wear masks whenever in public or gathering in groups of people.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

A few more weeks will only show an increase in people that have the virus as more test kits are made available. Then the media will run with that story making things worse.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump dismisses all expert advice and vows to reopen America | ITV News

Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike in the coming few weeks. So what is President Trump’s response? | ITV National News

www.itv.com

The President delivered a bizarre and erratic performance from the White House podium on Monday night.
Well, more than erratic. Alarming.
Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike with full intensity in the coming few weeks.
Already the death toll is over 500.
And it’s expected to increase rapidly over the next few days, with New York the national hotspot.
So what is President Trump’s response?
In rambling comments that defy the global consensus he is suggesting that he might soon lift some of the restrictions being imposed on citizens and businesses.
Yes, you read that correctly. Lift the restrictions.

Its certainly a bold move. I think he is gambling that it will work out and he will have saved the world. But the evidence from around the world is that lockdowns work and that this will cause the disease to spread further. He is playing politics with peoples lives.A Rubicon moment indeed.

You gave the game away on your little thread about your chance to nationalize the British railroads, Tommy.

We know your game. "Never let a crisis go to waste".

You lose, now crawl back into your hole

You're an idiot. No one is wanting to nationalize the British Railroads, especially not the Brits. But once again you prove that "better dead than red" is alive and well in what passes for the minds of idiot right wingers.

Libs want to nationalize everything. They look at President Un in The Liberal Utopia of North Korea with envy.

The crazy thing is that Un is actually living it, and he knows it isn't a sustainable situation.

You know what. I'm an actual liberal and I have never had any discussions with any other liberals about what we would like to see nationalized. In fact, it's something I hadn't even thought about until you mentioned it. It's conservatives who are constantly telling us what liberals want that bring up shit like this. It's among a whole list of things that conservatives keep saying that liberals want to do, like take all of your guns, or indoctrinate your children, shit like that.

What liberals want to do is to get back to a situation where working men and women are paid reasonably from the capital their work creates, so that they can enjoy the American dream too. They want the profits of their labour to flow to them first and shareholders last. They want what the workers in the rest of the world's first world countries have: safety, security and a pretty good life. Republicans want the rich to get richer.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

A few more weeks will only show an increase in people that have the virus as more test kits are made available. Then the media will run with that story making things worse.

Well if more people have the disease things have got worse. Ignoring it will not make things better. The virus does not watch the TV.

 

[Dragonlady]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

I think we should remain in isolation until there are enough masks for every citizen. Afterwards we go back to normal and wear masks whenever in public or gathering in groups of people.

Masks won't save you. Neither will your private health care, Ray. The rate of infection is too high and there is no federal leadership in marshalling resources, or strategies. A "for profit" system is not a responsive manner of dealing with a pandemic. If your parents are in a care facility, get them out of there and take them home. Get in reasonable levels of supplies, and ride it out. My friend went to court to get her 93 year old mother out of her assisted living facility, when there was an outbreak there. Mom is safely at their home, and everyone is hunkered down.

 

[Polishprince]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

A few more weeks will only show an increase in people that have the virus as more test kits are made available. Then the media will run with that story making things worse.

Well if more people have the disease things have got worse. Ignoring it will not make things better. The virus does not watch the TV.

How do you think a collapsed economy will affect the health of the people- not just from the Chinese Kung Flu, but for any number of other ailments?

Do you know what the death rate and life expectancy in the Ghettos are? Or in economic basket cases like Honduras and Haiti?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump dismisses all expert advice and vows to reopen America | ITV News

Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike in the coming few weeks. So what is President Trump’s response? | ITV National News

www.itv.com

The President delivered a bizarre and erratic performance from the White House podium on Monday night.
Well, more than erratic. Alarming.
Americans are bracing for the coronavirus hurricane to strike with full intensity in the coming few weeks.
Already the death toll is over 500.
And it’s expected to increase rapidly over the next few days, with New York the national hotspot.
So what is President Trump’s response?
In rambling comments that defy the global consensus he is suggesting that he might soon lift some of the restrictions being imposed on citizens and businesses.
Yes, you read that correctly. Lift the restrictions.

Its certainly a bold move. I think he is gambling that it will work out and he will have saved the world. But the evidence from around the world is that lockdowns work and that this will cause the disease to spread further. He is playing politics with peoples lives.A Rubicon moment indeed.

You gave the game away on your little thread about your chance to nationalize the British railroads, Tommy.

We know your game. "Never let a crisis go to waste".

You lose, now crawl back into your hole

You're an idiot. No one is wanting to nationalize the British Railroads, especially not the Brits. But once again you prove that "better dead than red" is alive and well in what passes for the minds of idiot right wingers.

Libs want to nationalize everything. They look at President Un in The Liberal Utopia of North Korea with envy.

The crazy thing is that Un is actually living it, and he knows it isn't a sustainable situation.

You know what. I'm an actual liberal and I have never had any discussions with any other liberals about what we would like to see nationalized. In fact, it's something I hadn't even thought about until you mentioned it. It's conservatives who are constantly telling us what liberals want that bring up shit like this. It's among a whole list of things that conservatives keep saying that liberals want to do, like take all of your guns, or indoctrinate your children, shit like that.

What liberals want to do is to get back to a situation where working men and women are paid reasonably from the capital their work creates, so that they can enjoy the American dream too. They want the profits of their labour to flow to them first and shareholders last. They want what the workers in the rest of the world's first world countries have: safety, security and a pretty good life. Republicans want the rich to get richer.

Your leftist ideology is that people opened up businesses for the sole purpose of giving people good paying jobs and benefits. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Businesses open up to produce products or services for sale at a profit. Workers are hired to help the business in that process. The wage goes to the worker, and the profit goes to the company, not the other way around.

If you don't like what businesses pay their people, then the solution is simple. Open up a company that makes the same products, and pay your employees superior money. Then lets see if you can sell your product against the competitors for a much higher cost. Good luck with that one.

 

[Polishprince]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

I think we should remain in isolation until there are enough masks for every citizen. Afterwards we go back to normal and wear masks whenever in public or gathering in groups of people.

Masks won't save you. Neither will your private health care, Ray. The rate of infection is too high and there is no federal leadership in marshalling resources, or strategies. A "for profit" system is not a responsive manner of dealing with a pandemic. If your parents are in a care facility, get them out of there and take them home. Get in reasonable levels of supplies, and ride it out. My friend went to court to get her 93 year old mother out of her assisted living facility, when there was an outbreak there. Mom is safely at their home, and everyone is hunkered down.

Actually, there is a huge amount of federal leadership in this, with capable people like Senior Advisor Jared Kushner advising the President every step of the way.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

A few more weeks will only show an increase in people that have the virus as more test kits are made available. Then the media will run with that story making things worse.

Well if more people have the disease things have got worse. Ignoring it will not make things better. The virus does not watch the TV.

How do you think a collapsed economy will affect the health of the people- not just from the Chinese Kung Flu, but for any number of other ailments?

Do you know what the death rate and life expectancy in the Ghettos are? Or in economic basket cases like Honduras and Haiti?

Opening up will spread the virus. That will make the economy worse. You advocate madness.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

I think we should remain in isolation until there are enough masks for every citizen. Afterwards we go back to normal and wear masks whenever in public or gathering in groups of people.

Masks won't save you. Neither will your private health care, Ray. The rate of infection is too high and there is no federal leadership in marshalling resources, or strategies. A "for profit" system is not a responsive manner of dealing with a pandemic. If your parents are in a care facility, get them out of there and take them home. Get in reasonable levels of supplies, and ride it out. My friend went to court to get her 93 year old mother out of her assisted living facility, when there was an outbreak there. Mom is safely at their home, and everyone is hunkered down.

We have a choice of risking the health of some people, or risking another recession or even depression. Most people survive the virus, and some without any medical care at all. It depends on a couple of factors like age and health.

If we destroy the economy, that hurts every American coast to coast. Unlike the virus, there is no immunity or medication to make it better. We don't have a crystal ball. We don't know when this will end. It could be by May, it could still be with us a year from now, who knows?

What we don't need a crystal ball for is to realize this can't go on forever. In fact, can't go on for very long.

 

[Nostra]

Worry about how your Queen is handling the Chinese Virus, Tammy’s Taint.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

A few more weeks will only show an increase in people that have the virus as more test kits are made available. Then the media will run with that story making things worse.

Well if more people have the disease things have got worse. Ignoring it will not make things better. The virus does not watch the TV.

No, wrong. There are plenty of people I'm sure who do have COVID-19, and don't even know it. They will know it once we have enough test kits to test everybody.

 

[Polishprince]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

A few more weeks will only show an increase in people that have the virus as more test kits are made available. Then the media will run with that story making things worse.

Well if more people have the disease things have got worse. Ignoring it will not make things better. The virus does not watch the TV.

How do you think a collapsed economy will affect the health of the people- not just from the Chinese Kung Flu, but for any number of other ailments?

Do you know what the death rate and life expectancy in the Ghettos are? Or in economic basket cases like Honduras and Haiti?

Opening up will spread the virus. That will make the economy worse. You advocate madness.

How can the economy get worse than total collapse, which is what we are looking at now?

Putting everyone on house arrest for a year seems like a trip to the Shit Hole Status for the whole country.

 

[Nostra]

Being broke is better than being dead. Trump is taking an enormous gamble with peoples lives.

If the nation breaks they will soon be dead anyway.

500 is nothing. Not even a blip.

I believe the choice will come down to this: Either we re-flip the ON switch and take our chances with the treatments currently available, or we spend the rest of our lives ekeing out a life in a third-world shithole.

The death toll from that will be incomprehensible.

Waiting a few more weeks is not the end of the world. The Chinese have cracked it and are starting to rebuild. We can do it as well if we are sensible.

We're not saying to open everything at once. Just that offices may open with a limited staff, golf courses, stores with limits on shoppers, etc. We need to start opening things up to get the economy up from 60% to maybe 90%. Keep schools closed, sports venues closed, all social gatherings and crowds prohibited.

You can't do half measures. You're either isolating yourself or you're not. Golf courses, and any non-essential activities should be eliminated for a time. You can either shut it down for a period now, or you will be dealing with this virus for a year or more as it gets passed around and back and forth, and people build an immunity to it. But your death toll will be enormous, and as they're seeing in New York, it's not just the elderly who are ending up in hospital.

I think we should remain in isolation until there are enough masks for every citizen. Afterwards we go back to normal and wear masks whenever in public or gathering in groups of people.

Masks won't save you. Neither will your private health care, Ray. The rate of infection is too high and there is no federal leadership in marshalling resources, or strategies. A "for profit" system is not a responsive manner of dealing with a pandemic. If your parents are in a care facility, get them out of there and take them home. Get in reasonable levels of supplies, and ride it out. My friend went to court to get her 93 year old mother out of her assisted living facility, when there was an outbreak there. Mom is safely at their home, and everyone is hunkered down.

WTF has your metrosexual leader done to solve the problem?