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Scripture is a bit more precise. It speaks of God knowing His plans from beginning to end. Some argue this means God knows our own individual plans from beginning to end. I happen to disagree. The true definition of omniscience is knowing all there is to know when that knowledge is available. It is not about knowing what cannot be known.Tell me something. Is it true that the god knows the beginning to end, and the end from the beginning?
Do you despise or accept people who make choices that are the opposite of what you might choose? Do you frogmarch those who tell you of their choice into making the choice you would have them make?You still want to cover up for an atrocious character whose response to disobedience is to inflict horrible pain on the disobedient for ever and ever.
You're saying that, given a choice, those thrown into the god's torture chamber will opt against escape because being burned alive is better than not burning alive. Not even in the movies.I believe you have it backwards. While I don't give a lot of credence to that video, it does make the point that those in hell, given the choice, choose hell, and even an existence in hell does not cause them to change their minds--nor do they have the wish to change their minds. They are who they are and they have no wish to change that.
No. I also wouldn't threaten them with eternal torture for refusing to be my puppet.What say you: If it were in your power, would you forcefully turn someone into your puppet
Uh... I know my plans. You know your plans.It speaks of God knowing His plans from beginning to end.
Satan is a fictional character. You need a better hobby.The other thing to note is Satan exists and is constantly at work on people. Prayer helps a lot with that. So does daily Mass.
RIght. So the god can't know the future.Scripture is a bit more precise. It speaks of God knowing His plans from beginning to end. Some argue this means God knows our own individual plans from beginning to end. I happen to disagree. The true definition of omniscience is knowing all there is to know when that knowledge is available. It is not about knowing what cannot be known.
I don't think you understand the rigged game you bought into, here.RIght. So the god can't know the future.
None they will listen to, anyway. What can be done is to shine a light on how much one's definition of love changed in order to accommodate the part of the story where the loving being's reaction to rejection is to inflict extreme, endless suffering upon the jilters. That's the new love . . .You can't make counterpoints against this.
WARNINGWorrying about Hell is the grown-up version of being afraid of being sent to your room without supper. If you have lived a good life and never really hurt anyone and you are still worried about t.
maybeA 39 minute video work of fiction? Hard pass.
as if YOU can understand such things as What happens after deathI don't think you understand the rigged game you bought into, here.
I take it you did not bother with the video (nor do I recommend it). I do not recall anyone complaining of fire or even torture. Instead they describe torment of choosing evil and hate, and how they would not choose differently. As odd as it seems, they were satisfied with the torment hate and evil brings to them. They reject any other choice, any other existence.You're saying that, given a choice, those thrown into the god's torture chamber will opt against escape because being burned alive is better than not burning alive. Not even in the movies.
Once again, they do not see themselves as being punished, only satisfied with the eternity they have chosen.In the end, you're left with a being who doesn't take rejection well at all! Its reactive, disproportionate threat of torture against lessor beings than itself is absolute evidence of that fact.
i noticed your lack of response to post #53You guys all understand what this thread is, right? What every thread by this nutter is, right?
First: no, he has no concern for any of you, he isn't trying to spread any message, and he isn't trying to do God's work.
What he is doing is posting shit he knows will be mocked by anyone not in his little sectarian nutter circle.
Then he lovingly looks over the criticism and convinces himself that it makes him Christ like.
That's the payoff. He wants to be mocked and wants this horseshit to be laughed at, so he can convince himself he is oppressed like Jesus and therefore must be doing something right.
You people mean nothing to him. He is concerned with punching his own, personal ticket to the forever Jesus festival.
Nothing more.
so that makes me think maybe it is not a for real video?Once again, they do not see themselves as being punished, only satisfied with the eternity they have chosen.
If someone has no wish to exist in love and goodness, rejects it totally, if you were in charge, what would be your plan for those who sought hate and evil, welcoming its torment?A lot of people think they're running to the god when they're really running from his disproportionate threat of torture for not running to it.
I noticed your lack of outgrowing childish magical beliefs.i noticed your lack of response to post #53
I don't believe in humans who choose torture as a way to satisfaction.Once again, they do not see themselves as being punished, only satisfied with the eternity they have chosen.
