A World Without Capitalism and Tradable Shares?

[Agit8r]

There was a time when corporations were governed by charters that set some limits upon the mischief that they could get up to. In those days of yore, it was inconcievable that they could ever be considered self-soveriegn entities, being granted all the privileges and immunities of a mortal being without any of the inherent responsibilities.

Then a licentious SCOTUS clerk ruined it for all the mortals who did not control corporations, by giving fully fascist Justices the "precedent" to declare these collective entities to be ever our overlords.

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[22lcidw]

Don't you hate it when your Nazi ally turns against you?

Something you will obviously never have to worry about.

Hitler was not a nice guy. Hitler was backed by the globalists as an experiment to see what type of government would work in a world government. He was the result of WW 1 which was started by globalists to consolidate power. That war started over stupidity. Germany suffered over a stupid treaty. In our nation over the same time of the First World War, we cemented our fate with elimination of a gold backed currency by the FEDERAL RESEREVE ACT. The enacting of the federal income tax, with it, the 17th amendment and then the 19th amendment. And involved Americans in the first world war. For a decade we enjoyed the roaring twenties in which the gold backed currency was slowly replaced with the new fiat currency printed in larger numbers. Then the federal reserve tightened their printing. And the worst DEPRESSION in human history ensued. Lasting a decade in our nation to manipulate us into a war. A second war where we would be easy to control from the suffering over the last decade of the 1930's. Each event increasing the new world order for control of the earth that started centuries before. We now live in an era of political sellouts. Employment sell outs. And the crushing realization that we are headed for something nasty. Social justice has been use as a front for the evil that will take over the world.

 

[georgephillip]

You answered your own question a couple of posts ago. Germany had shot themselves in the head when they thought they could take russia.

Germany was allowed to rearm in the years between WWI and WWII as a buffer against communism, so perhaps Hitler though he was only repaying his western benefactors by invading Russia?

 

[bripat9643]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

 

[bripat9643]

You answered your own question a couple of posts ago. Germany had shot themselves in the head when they thought they could take russia.

Germany was allowed to rearm in the years between WWI and WWII as a buffer against communism, so perhaps Hitler though he was only repaying his western benefactors by invading Russia?

Germany was allowed to re-arm because the Western Powers were too spineless to stop him.

 

[bripat9643]

It worked in the Soviet Union, eh comrade?

Socialism worked well enough in the Soviet Union to win WWII and put the first human being into space.

Are you disappointed?

Both Germany and the USSR were socialist states. And before war broke out between the USSR and Germany on 22 June 1941, Mr. Hitler and Mr. Stalin were BFF's.

Germany was not socialist.

Nazi Germany was socialist.

The Soviet Union didn't stand a change without hundreds of billions in U.S. Aid. Do you know how many trucks, tanks, planes we sent them? Tons of steel, copper, aluminum, rubber, yada, yada yada?

FACT CHECK: Were Nazis Socialists? (snopes.com)

Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

You leftwing sources have zero credibility. The theory that the NAZIs were lying about being socialists is just too absurd for mere words to describe. "Nationalism" and socialicism are two separate things. The theory that you can't be a nationalist if you are a socialist is pure idiocy. None of the standard leftwing areguments hold water. they are all easily exploded.

All you morons live in fantasy land. Sure you believe dems are all lizard people too. haha

Where's the "fantasy?"

Just about everything you moron righties believe in.

So you think the Nazis almost took over the whole planet with a socialist economy? You are promoting socialism now I guess.

Socialism is great for building tanks, bombers and battleship.

Oh really? So a socialist economy is so strong it can power a giant army like the Nazi's had? You are a good spokesman for socialism.

Their army wasn't that big, especially when it came to tanks, ships and other war material. Germany just had very good generals. Stalin executed all his best generals.

Yeah they almost defeated Europe and Russia with almost no army. Your stupidity is funny.

I'm not going to argue about WW II with an ignoramus who knows nothing about it.

 

[bripat9643]

The 1st World War had to do with the old Empires, the 2nd was the result of the 1st and Socialism. Regardless of your retarded attempts at historical revisionism the Nazi's were Socialist.

Both world wars were contested between capitalists in the US and UK against German capitalists for control of global resources like oil. Hitler killed German communists along with million of Soviet socialists while bestowing a medal on Henry Ford. Nazis were and still are capitalist fascists. Had the US stayed neutral in WWI, the Russian Revolution would have migrated to Berlin and London and Hitler would be a historical footnote, at best.

The NAZIs were socialist, dumbass.

“National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.” – January 27, 1934, interview with Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt​

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“There is a difference between the theoretical knowledge of socialism and the practical life of socialism. People are not born socialists, but must first be taught how to become them.” – October 5, 1937, speech in Berlin ​

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“Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.” – August 15, 1920, speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. ​

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“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national.” – 1923, Interview with George Sylvester Viereck ​

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“Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialism which is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid?” – January 30, 1937, On National Socialism and World Relations speech in the German Reichstag ​

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“Germany’s economic policy is conducted exclusively in accordance with the interests of the German people. In this respect I am a fanatical socialist, one who has ever in mind the interests of all his people.” – February 24, 1941, speech on the 21st anniversary of the Nazi Party ​

 

[bripat9643]

Liar.

Unadulterated horseshit. The "Trump's lies" meme is propaganda created by the Washington Post. Only idiots believe the Washington Post.

 

[bripat9643]

How does capitalism kill anyone? Be specific.

Get real.
What has killed more people: communism or capitalism? - Quora

Your source is a debate forum, and the ones who claim capitalism killed more are deluded communists like you. One guy claims we shouldn't count the Holodomore even though that's where Stalin deliberated starved the Ukrainians to death.

Pull your head out of your ass and wake up. Communism is a deadly threat to the entire human race.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you hate it when your Nazi ally turns against you?

Something you will obviously never have to worry about.

Why would I worry about Hitler and Stalin?

 

[Polishprince]

Don't you hate it when your Nazi ally turns against you?

Something you will obviously never have to worry about.

Why would I worry about Hitler and Stalin?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

Will the two BFF's turn on each other like Adolf and Joe did in June 1941, and plunge our country into a war that will make WW2 look like a Sunday School picnic?

 

[bripat9643]

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Nazi Germany was socialist.

The Soviet Union didn't stand a chance without hundreds of billions in U.S. Aid. Do you know how many trucks, tanks, planes we sent them? Tons of steel, copper, aluminum, rubber, yada, yada yada?

Nothing remotely socialist about Hitler after the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler disassociated himself from the SA, so that the oligarchs would appoint him chancellor.

Any while yes the US supplied vital war material to the USSR at the very beginning, that was nothing compared to what the USSR finally produced, and it was only for a short while that we supplied anything.
The only real thing of value that we gave the soviets.
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The US6 was manufactured primarily for export under Lend-Lease. The Soviet Union would become the largest foreign operator. The first Studebaker US6 trucks arrived in the USSR in the autumn of 1941. The Red Army organized a test of eleven 6×6 "Studebekkers" (as they become referred to in the USSR) which took place between July 1942 and May 1943. The results were used to direct the enlargement of the payload from 2 1⁄2 to 4 tons (2,300 to 3,600 kg).[4] In 1945, it was lowered to 3 1⁄2 tons (3,200 kg), although on improved roads they could carry up to a maximum of 5 tons (4,500 kg).

Large numbers of Studebaker US6 trucks were supplied to the Soviet Union via the Persian Corridor in Iran under the USA's Lend-Lease program. The truck fulfilled many important roles in service with Soviet military forces during the war, such as towing artillery pieces and anti-tank guns and transporting troops over long distances. It was renowned for its overall ruggedness and reliability, including its ability to run on poor-quality fuel. The Soviet Red Army also found them to be a suitable platform for conversion into Katyusha rocket launchers, although this was not their main purpose. The truck became affectionately known as the Studer by Soviet troops and was even recognised of its importance (to the Soviet war effort) by Joseph Stalin, who sent a personal letter of appreciation to Studebaker, in which he thanked them for the superb quality of the US6 for Soviet service.

Studebaker US6 trucks were also used by the US military in the construction of the Ledo Road in Burma, and the Alcan Highway in North America, during WWII.

Following the end of WWII, the US6 strongly influenced the USSR's design of the ZIS/ZIL-151 truck, which, in turn, evolved into the similar (and succeeding) ZIL-157.
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Not sure how many we gave them, but 200,000 were made and I think we gave them most of them?

The NAZIs were socialists. I've posted the evidence dozens of times in here.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How does capitalism kill anyone? Be specific.

Get real.
What has killed more people: communism or capitalism? - Quora

So you can't give me any specifics? That's disappointing.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If tradable shares as enshrined in corporate law "weaponized" capitalism, is it time to revisit the scene of the crime?

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Confronting rentier capitalism and fashioning firms for which social responsibility is more than a marketing ploy requires nothing less than re-writing corporate law.

"To recognize the scale of the undertaking, it helps to return to the moment in history when tradable shares weaponized capitalism, and to ask ourselves: Are we ready to correct that 'error'?

"The moment occurred on 24 September 1599. In a timbered building off Moorgate Fields, not far from where Shakespeare was struggling to complete Hamlet, a new type of company was founded. Its ownership of the new firm, called the East India Company, was sliced into tiny pieces to be bought and sold freely...."

"To imagine what transcending capitalism might mean in practice requires rethinking the ownership of corporations.

"Imagine that shares resemble electoral votes, which can be neither bought nor sold."

Imagine that.

Imagine living in the soviet union where 30% of the people starved to death?

Shut the fuck up. Have you ever lived in communism, you limey piece of shit?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

It worked in the Soviet Union, eh comrade?

Socialism worked well enough in the Soviet Union to win WWII and put the first human being into space.

Are you disappointed?

And yet no one lived equally and it was a mirage and forced as a system because those in power held the people hostage and made them lived that way because the alternative was either prison or death and death was the better option than Soviet living or being in prison in the Soviet Union...

Marxism and Communism will always fail because of the simple fact people are greedy, lazy and jealous of each other and want more while doing as little as they can to obtain it!

Stalin and his people lived like Kings while the rest of the Soviet Union lived like roaches...

 

[Devils_Advocate]

If tradable shares as enshrined in corporate law "weaponized" capitalism, is it time to revisit the scene of the crime?

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Confronting rentier capitalism and fashioning firms for which social responsibility is more than a marketing ploy requires nothing less than re-writing corporate law.

"To recognize the scale of the undertaking, it helps to return to the moment in history when tradable shares weaponized capitalism, and to ask ourselves: Are we ready to correct that 'error'?

"The moment occurred on 24 September 1599. In a timbered building off Moorgate Fields, not far from where Shakespeare was struggling to complete Hamlet, a new type of company was founded. Its ownership of the new firm, called the East India Company, was sliced into tiny pieces to be bought and sold freely...."

"To imagine what transcending capitalism might mean in practice requires rethinking the ownership of corporations.

"Imagine that shares resemble electoral votes, which can be neither bought nor sold."

Imagine that.

Imagine living in the soviet union where 30% of the people starved to death?

Shut the fuck up. Have you ever lived in communism, you limey piece of shit?

But if we only learn from the mistakes and eradicate greed, sloth and envy then Communism would thrive and we would be in utopia but most likely hell !

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Slavery to the state never lasts, for the past 5,000 years people rose up again and again to defeat it.

What does that have to do with the terrorism of tradable shares?

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Tradable shares allowed private corporations to become larger and more powerful than states..."

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders."

What does that have to do with the terrorism of tradable shares?

Tradable shares aren't terrorism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you hate it when your Nazi ally turns against you?

Something you will obviously never have to worry about.

Why would I worry about Hitler and Stalin?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

Will the two BFF's turn on each other like Adolf and Joe did in June 1941, and plunge our country into a war that will make WW2 look like a Sunday School picnic?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

I'm not allied with Hitler, so why would I worry about Hitler turning against me?

 

[Polishprince]

Don't you hate it when your Nazi ally turns against you?

Something you will obviously never have to worry about.

Why would I worry about Hitler and Stalin?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

Will the two BFF's turn on each other like Adolf and Joe did in June 1941, and plunge our country into a war that will make WW2 look like a Sunday School picnic?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

I'm not allied with Hitler, so why would I worry about Hitler turning against me?

There were plenty of people in the USSR and Germany that weren't friends of Stalin and Hitler, yet in 1941, many were inconvenienced by the war.

There is reason to be concerned.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you hate it when your Nazi ally turns against you?

Something you will obviously never have to worry about.

Why would I worry about Hitler and Stalin?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

Will the two BFF's turn on each other like Adolf and Joe did in June 1941, and plunge our country into a war that will make WW2 look like a Sunday School picnic?

Because history repeats itself and now we have Biden and Xi.

I'm not allied with Hitler, so why would I worry about Hitler turning against me?

There were plenty of people in the USSR and Germany that weren't friends of Stalin and Hitler, yet in 1941, many were inconvenienced by the war.

There is reason to be concerned.

Yes, World Wars are inconvenient.
George is a huge Commie. His hero is Stalin.
Stalin allied with Hitler. They were both evil bastards.
Hitler turned against Stalin. George likes to pretend
none of that happened. I'm laughing at George, because he's a moron.