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You know, you really should try harder if you're going to be making BOGUS claims.Is the killed child playing Rock breaks Scissors, or is that some sort of gang sign?
Why gang sign is it if it's a gang sign [MENTION=47870]Vigilante[/MENTION]?
It's clearly a peace sign.
No it's not, it's not even a victory sign.
The sign the black man was showing was not a peace sign. Don't know what it was, but it wasn't peace. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Let's wait and hear from all witnesses.
If the evidence keeps supporting the witenesses conclusion of what came down...I believe that police officer should pay a heavy price. Why I am pissed off is this isn't about race or a reason to riot.
Hard to distinguish if this is a race issue or not. My point is the scenario is all to common in majority Black or Latino neighborhoods like the one I grew up in. Cops harassing you for no reason. Then one day someone gets killed for "resisting". If its not because you are Black or Latino then what is it? They didnt do the same stuff in the next city over and they were white boys doing the same jay walking and other dumb things teenage boys do.
I don't condone the rioting but you cant push people and not expect a back lash. Rioting is the least of the worries if this isn't corrected.
The sign the black man was showing was not a peace sign. Don't know what it was, but it wasn't peace. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Let's wait and hear from all witnesses.
It's a peace sign. It's popular culture to do it sideways.
When you fight with an armed policeman you ought to be shot just out of sheer stupidity.
Depends on if the cop is trying to shoot you for nothing. I wouldnt stand by passively while a cop grabbed me for no reason and pulled out a gun and threatened to shoot me. You must be a retard.
That didn't happen in this case. Why are you so afraid of white people?
Based on the interviews presented by Johnson - there are three different retellings of the story.
In one account Johnson says that the officer drove past, then reversed back to them, attempted to open his door but the door bounced off Brown and closed on him.
In another one Johnson skips the whole reverse and almost hitting them part, and says that they had their conversation and then the officer tried to 'thrust' the door open but there wasn't room.
In one of the account, Brown was being choked through the window by the officer, who after a struggle, pulled his gun, said "I'll shoot you," then fired his gun inside the vehicle.
In another account, Brown was being choked through the window by the officer, who drew his gun, said "I'll shoot you' and immediately shot, Brown was bleeding.
In another, the officer first said "I'll shoot you," then said "I'm gonna shoot you," then the officer fired, and Brown was bleeding.
In one of the accounts Brown and Johnson then started running, but, upon feeling a second bullet hit him, Brown told Johnson to keep running then turned around, putting his hands in the air and saying he was unarmed.
In another, Johnson hid behind a car with screaming people in it and watched the officer shoot Brown, who was on his knees with his hands in the air.
Brown was then shot an additional four, or six times (depending on which retelling.)
Now I'm not going to argue that Johnson is necessarily making those changes because he is lying, he could very well be doing it subconsciously as that is a common function of memory writing and recall - but the end result is the same, his testimony 'is' changing with every interview so it's 'creditability' is losing face. Should stop retelling it now - three interviews is more than enough.
That said, I have some questions:
1) Did the police get Johnson's account of the incident at the scene or did he immediately flee the scene? If Johnson did flee the scene, that's a bit unfortunate for the validity of his account. (Not that if his story is true, I would blame him one bit for fleeing a bat shit crazy officer that just executed his buddy.) If he didn't flee, and they do have his report then what caused him to no longer be in fear for his life after watching his friend get executed?
2) Johnson says the officer reached out the window and started choking Brown, and that Brown was 'struggling' back and forth with the officer trying to get away. Then the officer either shot Brown, or discharged his weapon in the car, and they both ran. So I'm trying to picture this: the officer is choking Brown through the window with one hand [else the officer would not be able to draw his gun.] First I'm going to say that Brown looks pretty big to me - say 6 foot, though a bit overweight perhaps rather than muscle. Now if Brown wasn't strong enough to get away from the officers one-handed choking BEFORE he was shot, how did he manage to get away from it AFTER being shot? I would think that being shot would weaken you wouldn't it? I mean adrenalin sure, but Brown's already being choked according to Johnson, so that effect was already in play.
3) I've never been shot, but I imagine it hurts like hell, so I'm having a difficult time understanding how one could get shot twice and not fall to the ground in pain; much less have the coherency to tell a buddy to keep running, kneel, and put my hands above my head saying I was unarmed. I mean I've heard of people getting shot repeatedly while on drugs and they keep going, but I've never heard of something like this where there is basically no indication of this young man getting shot twice in the telling's [other than the blood.]
I've only heard one version of Johnsons account. Do you have a link to the other 2?
I can answer #3. People get shot all the time and don't even feel it initially. I saw a guy get shot at a party and he kept on running until he collapsed outside down the block.
The sign the black man was showing was not a peace sign. Don't know what it was, but it wasn't peace. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Let's wait and hear from all witnesses.
It's a peace sign. It's popular culture to do it sideways.
only scared white people say shit like that...Depends on if the cop is trying to shoot you for nothing. I wouldnt stand by passively while a cop grabbed me for no reason and pulled out a gun and threatened to shoot me. You must be a retard.
That didn't happen in this case. Why are you so afraid of white people?
The witness says it did happen in this case. You werent there. What specifically about fighting a white cop with a gun indicates I'm afraid of white people?
false.. there is no standard way to do it it's regional.The sign the black man was showing was not a peace sign. Don't know what it was, but it wasn't peace. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Let's wait and hear from all witnesses.
It's a peace sign. It's popular culture to do it sideways.
Not with an open thumb. Never with an open thumb.
The sign the black man was showing was not a peace sign. Don't know what it was, but it wasn't peace. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Let's wait and hear from all witnesses.
It's a peace sign. It's popular culture to do it sideways.
Based on the interviews presented by Johnson - there are three different retellings of the story.
In one account Johnson says that the officer drove past, then reversed back to them, attempted to open his door but the door bounced off Brown and closed on him.
In another one Johnson skips the whole reverse and almost hitting them part, and says that they had their conversation and then the officer tried to 'thrust' the door open but there wasn't room.
In one of the account, Brown was being choked through the window by the officer, who after a struggle, pulled his gun, said "I'll shoot you," then fired his gun inside the vehicle.
In another account, Brown was being choked through the window by the officer, who drew his gun, said "I'll shoot you' and immediately shot, Brown was bleeding.
In another, the officer first said "I'll shoot you," then said "I'm gonna shoot you," then the officer fired, and Brown was bleeding.
In one of the accounts Brown and Johnson then started running, but, upon feeling a second bullet hit him, Brown told Johnson to keep running then turned around, putting his hands in the air and saying he was unarmed.
In another, Johnson hid behind a car with screaming people in it and watched the officer shoot Brown, who was on his knees with his hands in the air.
Brown was then shot an additional four, or six times (depending on which retelling.)
Now I'm not going to argue that Johnson is necessarily making those changes because he is lying, he could very well be doing it subconsciously as that is a common function of memory writing and recall - but the end result is the same, his testimony 'is' changing with every interview so it's 'creditability' is losing face. Should stop retelling it now - three interviews is more than enough.
That said, I have some questions:
1) Did the police get Johnson's account of the incident at the scene or did he immediately flee the scene? If Johnson did flee the scene, that's a bit unfortunate for the validity of his account. (Not that if his story is true, I would blame him one bit for fleeing a bat shit crazy officer that just executed his buddy.) If he didn't flee, and they do have his report then what caused him to no longer be in fear for his life after watching his friend get executed?
2) Johnson says the officer reached out the window and started choking Brown, and that Brown was 'struggling' back and forth with the officer trying to get away. Then the officer either shot Brown, or discharged his weapon in the car, and they both ran. So I'm trying to picture this: the officer is choking Brown through the window with one hand [else the officer would not be able to draw his gun.] First I'm going to say that Brown looks pretty big to me - say 6 foot, though a bit overweight perhaps rather than muscle. Now if Brown wasn't strong enough to get away from the officers one-handed choking BEFORE he was shot, how did he manage to get away from it AFTER being shot? I would think that being shot would weaken you wouldn't it? I mean adrenalin sure, but Brown's already being choked according to Johnson, so that effect was already in play.
3) I've never been shot, but I imagine it hurts like hell, so I'm having a difficult time understanding how one could get shot twice and not fall to the ground in pain; much less have the coherency to tell a buddy to keep running, kneel, and put my hands above my head saying I was unarmed. I mean I've heard of people getting shot repeatedly while on drugs and they keep going, but I've never heard of something like this where there is basically no indication of this young man getting shot twice in the telling's [other than the blood.]
I've only heard one version of Johnsons account. Do you have a link to the other 2?
I can answer #3. People get shot all the time and don't even feel it initially. I saw a guy get shot at a party and he kept on running until he collapsed outside down the block.
Let's see if I've met the quota to post links yet:
Michael Brown?s Friend: He Was 'Shot Like An Animal? - Video on NBCNews.com
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-wlDI6hg18#t=20[/ame]
I believe I got those in order of their release. There's other inconsistences in the accounts as well - like in one version he says the officer pulled Brown into the car, in another he says he just 'tried' to pull Brown into the car but couldn't [basically Brown was too tall], etc.
Like I said though, I'm not sure if Johnson is purposefully changing the story or not, he might just be adding stuff in trying to clarify what he believes he saw [or what he 'now' believes he saw if it's being rewritten, which is again fairly common.]
false.. there is no standard way to do it it's regional.It's a peace sign. It's popular culture to do it sideways.
Not with an open thumb. Never with an open thumb.
[MENTION=21503]Claudette[/MENTION]Dorin Johnson, the young man that claims to be with Michael Brown during the incident has given multiple interviews stating that the cop reached his arm out the car while driving and accosted the victim Michael Brown, then came out and shot him.
Another witness, Piaget (I forget her last name) also witnessed it from the balcony of her apartment corroborates that .
There's been reports that the victim stole something from QuickTrip, well, if there's no 911 call from the QT...that cop is toast.
As it stands right now, it's not looking too good for that cop.
Everything the police has said to this point is in complete contradiction to what all the witnesses are saying.
In a neighborhood full of people, there are more than the two above mentioned witnesses as well, most who have remained anonymous.
The FBI is already involved in the investigation and sooner or later, we'll get to the bottom of this mess.
Well I've seen reports from other witnesses who say that kid reached for the cops gun.
Who does one believe??
false.. there is no standard way to do it it's regional.Not with an open thumb. Never with an open thumb.
Checked out images for the peace sign made with hands. Every single one has the thumb crossed over the bottom to fingers with the index finger and the middle finger making a "V," even the sideways one.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pea...yvYHAAQ&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1525&bih=695&dpr=0.9
right!Oh, and BTW, the peace sign is actually also a gang sign, except they call it the "victory" sign.
OK [MENTION=13805]Againsheila[/MENTION], if it's not a peace sign, then please identify WHAT sign it is then.You know, you really should try harder if you're going to be making BOGUS claims.Is the killed child playing Rock breaks Scissors, or is that some sort of gang sign?
Why gang sign is it if it's a gang sign [MENTION=47870]Vigilante[/MENTION]?
It's clearly a peace sign.
No it's not, it's not even a victory sign.
Good riddance.This thread is a farce. I'm outta here. There are REAL threads out there, calling for my attention.
