Affordable care that isn’t affordable

[HereWeGoAgain]

Of those 15 mill how many actually paid for it or wont be paying for it at all?

How many are paying their premiums? As many as want to have insurance. That should be obvious.

Weak ass dodge....

People paying their premiums is a dodge? How so?

Try again.

If you insist. How many are paying their premiums? As many as want to have insurance. That should be obvious.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it here.

Or were you expecting me to lie and say "People who have health insurance are NOT paying their premiums"? Because I can't do that.

So how many of the 15 mill are paying?

 

[Arianrhod]

How many times will you ask the same question, get the same answer, and then ask the question again?

Obviously the insurers will continue to make a profit - as they have since the 1980s - unless and until the U.S. has single payer.

Now, ask it again.

You're still singing the 'single-payer blues'?

Not blues, unless you mean BC/BS, the original not-for-profit insurers. Wouldn't mind taking the toys away from all the others and letting the Blues do their thing again.

But you can't seem to decide whether you want the for-profit middlemen to keep making profits or not. Let me know when you settle on something.

You have reading comprehension issues. I think the insurance industry is a corporatist fraud. They've learned to secure profits by manipulating government policy. ACA is their most dubious achievement.

I'm not disagreeing with you. So let's push for single payer, huh?

I wouldn't object. But that's not what you're doing. I have honest friends who are socialists and progressives. They hate ACA as much as me. But you are a fraud.

I'm not calling for single payer? Only if you're not paying attention.

 

[Arianrhod]

How many are paying their premiums? As many as want to have insurance. That should be obvious.

Weak ass dodge....

People paying their premiums is a dodge? How so?

Try again.

If you insist. How many are paying their premiums? As many as want to have insurance. That should be obvious.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it here.

Or were you expecting me to lie and say "People who have health insurance are NOT paying their premiums"? Because I can't do that.

So how many of the 15 mill are paying?

Those who want to keep their coverage. Do I need to use smaller words?

 

[dblack]

You're still singing the 'single-payer blues'?

Not blues, unless you mean BC/BS, the original not-for-profit insurers. Wouldn't mind taking the toys away from all the others and letting the Blues do their thing again.

But you can't seem to decide whether you want the for-profit middlemen to keep making profits or not. Let me know when you settle on something.

You have reading comprehension issues. I think the insurance industry is a corporatist fraud. They've learned to secure profits by manipulating government policy. ACA is their most dubious achievement.

I'm not disagreeing with you. So let's push for single payer, huh?

I wouldn't object. But that's not what you're doing. I have honest friends who are socialists and progressives. They hate ACA as much as me. But you are a fraud.

I'm not calling for single payer? Only if you're not paying attention.

You're defending ACA. You're either a fool, or a paid shill.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Weak ass dodge....

People paying their premiums is a dodge? How so?

Try again.

If you insist. How many are paying their premiums? As many as want to have insurance. That should be obvious.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it here.

Or were you expecting me to lie and say "People who have health insurance are NOT paying their premiums"? Because I can't do that.

So how many of the 15 mill are paying?

Those who want to keep their coverage. Do I need to use smaller words?

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

 

[Arianrhod]

Not blues, unless you mean BC/BS, the original not-for-profit insurers. Wouldn't mind taking the toys away from all the others and letting the Blues do their thing again.

But you can't seem to decide whether you want the for-profit middlemen to keep making profits or not. Let me know when you settle on something.

You have reading comprehension issues. I think the insurance industry is a corporatist fraud. They've learned to secure profits by manipulating government policy. ACA is their most dubious achievement.

I'm not disagreeing with you. So let's push for single payer, huh?

I wouldn't object. But that's not what you're doing. I have honest friends who are socialists and progressives. They hate ACA as much as me. But you are a fraud.

I'm not calling for single payer? Only if you're not paying attention.

You're defending ACA.

And if you'd been paying attention - though clearly you haven't - you'd know that I've stated numerous times that I'd have preferred single payer from the outset.

But as an interim step on that path, the PPACA is better at boiling the frog that is the insurance industry than the carte blanche that went before.

 

[Arianrhod]

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

Sucks that reality doesn't fit your ignorant assumption that "everyone's getting a free ride except MEEEEEE!"

Get back to me when you can show that your assumption is correct. With actual data, not some regurgitated barf you found on a blog.

 

[dblack]

You have reading comprehension issues. I think the insurance industry is a corporatist fraud. They've learned to secure profits by manipulating government policy. ACA is their most dubious achievement.

I'm not disagreeing with you. So let's push for single payer, huh?

I wouldn't object. But that's not what you're doing. I have honest friends who are socialists and progressives. They hate ACA as much as me. But you are a fraud.

I'm not calling for single payer? Only if you're not paying attention.

You're defending ACA.

And if you'd been paying attention - though clearly you haven't - you'd know that I've stated numerous times that I'd have preferred single payer from the outset.

But as an interim step on that path, the PPACA is better at boiling the frog that is the insurance industry than the carte blanche that went before.

Yes, there are frogs boiling. But the insurance industry is not on the menu.

 

[Arianrhod]

I'm not disagreeing with you. So let's push for single payer, huh?

I wouldn't object. But that's not what you're doing. I have honest friends who are socialists and progressives. They hate ACA as much as me. But you are a fraud.

I'm not calling for single payer? Only if you're not paying attention.

You're defending ACA.

And if you'd been paying attention - though clearly you haven't - you'd know that I've stated numerous times that I'd have preferred single payer from the outset.

But as an interim step on that path, the PPACA is better at boiling the frog that is the insurance industry than the carte blanche that went before.

Yes, there are frogs boiling. But the insurance industry is not on the menu.

They're not allowed to deny coverage for preexisting conditions. They're not allowed to set lifetime caps.

As someone who's never faced either of those situations, I'm sure you don't care, but for many, many Americans this is progress.

And only the first step.

Toss the frog into boiling water, he's gonna jump out. But put him gently into a pot of room-temperature water, he'll be lulled. He won't even notice the provisions of the PPACA that have yet to be fully implemented.

But the time he starts whining about those, you're in a position to say: Look, buddy. You're already in the pot. You can go along with the new provisions, or I'm gonna slam the lid and turn the gas up. Which is it?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

Sucks that reality doesn't fit your ignorant assumption that "everyone's getting a free ride except MEEEEEE!"

Get back to me when you can show that your assumption is correct. With actual data, not some regurgitated barf you found on a blog.

And you continue with your own personal deception...
Why is it something can be discussed ad nauseam around here yet liberals go stupid when it's brought up a week later?

 

[dblack]

I wouldn't object. But that's not what you're doing. I have honest friends who are socialists and progressives. They hate ACA as much as me. But you are a fraud.

I'm not calling for single payer? Only if you're not paying attention.

You're defending ACA.

And if you'd been paying attention - though clearly you haven't - you'd know that I've stated numerous times that I'd have preferred single payer from the outset.

But as an interim step on that path, the PPACA is better at boiling the frog that is the insurance industry than the carte blanche that went before.

Yes, there are frogs boiling. But the insurance industry is not on the menu.

They're not allowed to deny coverage for preexisting conditions. They're not allowed to set lifetime caps.

And their customers aren't allowed to turn then away. No business in the world would turn down that deal.

As someone who's never faced either of those situations, I'm sure you don't care, but for many, many Americans this is progress.

You have no fucking idea what situations I've faced. Suck a trailpipe

 

[Arianrhod]

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

Sucks that reality doesn't fit your ignorant assumption that "everyone's getting a free ride except MEEEEEE!"

Get back to me when you can show that your assumption is correct. With actual data, not some regurgitated barf you found on a blog.

And you continue with your own personal deception...

I pay my premiums, bub. I'm betting the Boss Man pays yours.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

Sucks that reality doesn't fit your ignorant assumption that "everyone's getting a free ride except MEEEEEE!"

Get back to me when you can show that your assumption is correct. With actual data, not some regurgitated barf you found on a blog.

And you continue with your own personal deception...

I pay my premiums, bub. I'm betting the Boss Man pays yours.

Keep on dodging.....and I dont have a boss.

 

[Arianrhod]

And their customers aren't allowed to turn then away.

Huh?

You have no fucking idea what situations I've faced.

That's true. But most people who've dealt with difficult situations tend to have some compassion for others in the same situation.

 

[Arianrhod]

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

Sucks that reality doesn't fit your ignorant assumption that "everyone's getting a free ride except MEEEEEE!"

Get back to me when you can show that your assumption is correct. With actual data, not some regurgitated barf you found on a blog.

And you continue with your own personal deception...

I pay my premiums, bub. I'm betting the Boss Man pays yours.

Keep on dodging.....

You expect me to show you the statements?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The typical lefty dodge...pretend they dont understand because their position is indefensible.
You need a new shtick,this one is as tired as the race card.

Sucks that reality doesn't fit your ignorant assumption that "everyone's getting a free ride except MEEEEEE!"

Get back to me when you can show that your assumption is correct. With actual data, not some regurgitated barf you found on a blog.

And you continue with your own personal deception...

I pay my premiums, bub. I'm betting the Boss Man pays yours.

Keep on dodging.....

You expect me to show you the statements?

When this become a discussion about your statements?
Deflection noted.

 

[dblack]

And their customers aren't allowed to turn then away.

Huh?

You have no fucking idea what situations I've faced.

That's true. But most people who've dealt with difficult situations tend to have some compassion for others in the same situation.

That's the implied accusation that makes me want to just tell you to fuck off and die. You're trying to pretend that people who don't want to resort to coercive state welfare don't have compassion.

 

[Arianrhod]

When this become a discussion about your statements?

When I said "I pay my premiums" and your response was "Keep dodging."

Now, was there a rational question under all that bluster?

 

[Arianrhod]

And their customers aren't allowed to turn then away.

Huh?

You have no fucking idea what situations I've faced.

That's true. But most people who've dealt with difficult situations tend to have some compassion for others in the same situation.

That's the implied accusation that makes me want to just tell you to fuck off and die. You're trying to pretend that people who don't want to resort to coercive state welfare don't have compassion.

Summing up: You don't want insurers to make any profit, but you don't want any government involvement in making sure people can afford to pay for their healthcare. So you, at least, are back at Square One.

 

[dblack]

And their customers aren't allowed to turn then away.

Huh?

You have no fucking idea what situations I've faced.

That's true. But most people who've dealt with difficult situations tend to have some compassion for others in the same situation.

That's the implied accusation that makes me want to just tell you to fuck off and die. You're trying to pretend that people who don't want to resort to coercive state welfare don't have compassion.

Summing up: You don't want insurers to make any profit, but you don't want any government involvement in making sure people can afford to pay for their healthcare. So you, at least, are back at Square One.

Summing up, you're full of shit. I have no problem with legitimate profits, earned in a free market. I'm opposed to wealthy interests using government to ensure their dominance.