After Trump

[Moonglow]

So plenty of people in the GOP want to Dump Trump because he looks like a real loser and the thing he's said render him unfit for office. His disapproval ratings are even higher than Hillary's, he lacks organization at the grassroots level, and his campaign has less money than most people can find under the sofa.
In any case the meme that he would at least be better than Hillary is proven false, as he has backtracked on virtually every position he has taken. There is no telling what he would do, and that's scary.
So if the GOP dumps him, then what?
To me the only logical choice is Gary Johnson, current nominee of the LP and Rubio as VP. Johnson was elected as a Republican anyway and he will be more appealing to millenials, certainly than Trump.

I wish I could find that million or two I lost out my pocket sitting on the couch..

 

[Slyhunter]

Oh good grief. With the exception of the ABC/WP poll, Trump's within the margin of error. What's all this "Trump is going to lose" shit? It's getting really really old.

For crying out loud the same people who are bitching now are the same people that swore Trump couldn't take out 16 other people in the primaries.

Sunday, June 26
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 46, Trump 41 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 51, Trump 39 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 39, Trump 38, Johnson 10, Stein 6 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 47, Trump 37, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Clinton +10
Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 40, Trump 39 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 44, Trump 41 Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Trump 42, Clinton 44 Clinton +2

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

Kind of hard when pollsters are polling liberal 2-1 over Conservatives and not taking that into account in their polling data.
Here's Why The New Polls Showing Donald Trump Trailing Hillary Are Flawed | The Sean Hannity Show

 

[tinydancer]

Oh good grief. With the exception of the ABC/WP poll, Trump's within the margin of error. What's all this "Trump is going to lose" shit? It's getting really really old.

For crying out loud the same people who are bitching now are the same people that swore Trump couldn't take out 16 other people in the primaries.

Sunday, June 26
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 46, Trump 41 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 51, Trump 39 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 39, Trump 38, Johnson 10, Stein 6 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 47, Trump 37, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Clinton +10
Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 40, Trump 39 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 44, Trump 41 Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Trump 42, Clinton 44 Clinton +2

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

That's this week. Holy toledo we haven't even had the convention or a VP pick. There is a reorganization now with the campaign staff with Manafort at the head of it. What's the freaking panic?

 

[my2¢]

I'm not giving Trump much of a chance this fall but as the saying goes we made our bed and now must lay in it.

If he doesn't win, as a Republican I suggest we begin on 2020 by sending Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, FOX News all over to the Democratic camp.

Gee 2020, makes me recall the Tecumseh Curse.

 

[Slyhunter]

Jake where did you go?

 

[The Rabbi]

So plenty of people in the GOP want to Dump Trump because he looks like a real loser and the thing he's said render him unfit for office. His disapproval ratings are even higher than Hillary's, he lacks organization at the grassroots level, and his campaign has less money than most people can find under the sofa.
In any case the meme that he would at least be better than Hillary is proven false, as he has backtracked on virtually every position he has taken. There is no telling what he would do, and that's scary.
So if the GOP dumps him, then what?
To me the only logical choice is Gary Johnson, current nominee of the LP and Rubio as VP. Johnson was elected as a Republican anyway and he will be more appealing to millenials, certainly than Trump.

Gary Johnson wants to open the border to anyone who wants to work here. Our poor will become even poorer having to compete with third worlders for jobs.

Except that isnt true.
next.

Bullshit he wants to issue work permits to anyone who wants them. That is the same thing as open borders.

If you dont see a distinction you are too fucking stupid to engage in debate.

The end result is the same, massive unemployment because foreigns will take our jobs for less money.

There is a min wage. How are foreigners going to work for less than min wage?

Oh good grief. With the exception of the ABC/WP poll, Trump's within the margin of error. What's all this "Trump is going to lose" shit? It's getting really really old.

For crying out loud the same people who are bitching now are the same people that swore Trump couldn't take out 16 other people in the primaries.

Sunday, June 26
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 46, Trump 41 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 51, Trump 39 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 39, Trump 38, Johnson 10, Stein 6 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 47, Trump 37, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Clinton +10
Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 40, Trump 39 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 44, Trump 41 Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Trump 42, Clinton 44 Clinton +2

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

Kind of hard when pollsters are polling liberal 2-1 over Conservatives and not taking that into account in their polling data.
Here's Why The New Polls Showing Donald Trump Trailing Hillary Are Flawed | The Sean Hannity Show

Please post the polls that show Trump leading Hillary beyond the margin of error.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh good grief. With the exception of the ABC/WP poll, Trump's within the margin of error. What's all this "Trump is going to lose" shit? It's getting really really old.

For crying out loud the same people who are bitching now are the same people that swore Trump couldn't take out 16 other people in the primaries.

Sunday, June 26
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 46, Trump 41 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 51, Trump 39 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 39, Trump 38, Johnson 10, Stein 6 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 47, Trump 37, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Clinton +10
Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 40, Trump 39 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 44, Trump 41 Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Trump 42, Clinton 44 Clinton +2

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

That's this week. Holy toledo we haven't even had the convention or a VP pick. There is a reorganization now with the campaign staff with Manafort at the head of it. What's the freaking panic?

His campaign is in turmoil. No strategy. No leadership. No grassroots organization. And no money. He's right where Hillary wants him.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope, you are an idiot if you think a GJ victory is going to lead to mass immigration.

It's not going to happen.

You are lying about deportation slips. The count are those deported in person and those turned back.

Slyhunter, your ilk's days of lying and not being called on it are over.

First off giving Green cards to anyone who wants them while simultaneously getting rid of welfare and the minimum wage, all thing Gary Johnson wants to do will create masses amount of people who can't afford to rent a decent house to compete for jobs and live in Bamboo huts like they do in Cambodia, Cage homes like they do in Hong Kong, or Coffin Hotels like they do in Japan.

SEcond off I get sick and tired of proving what I say over and over again for the likes of you. But here it is again for the fourteenth fucking time.
High deportation figures are misleading


Ever hear of catch and release. They catch them, then release them in the US with promises to show up at court, which they never do.

First, none of that shit will happen with Johnson as president

Second, your link deliberately misanalyzes the data. So you know it and are a liar, or just fucking stupid.

Third, you are just fucking stupid.

 

[Slyhunter]

Gary Johnson wants to open the border to anyone who wants to work here. Our poor will become even poorer having to compete with third worlders for jobs.

Except that isnt true.
next.

Bullshit he wants to issue work permits to anyone who wants them. That is the same thing as open borders.

If you dont see a distinction you are too fucking stupid to engage in debate.

The end result is the same, massive unemployment because foreigns will take our jobs for less money.

There is a min wage. How are foreigners going to work for less than min wage?

Oh good grief. With the exception of the ABC/WP poll, Trump's within the margin of error. What's all this "Trump is going to lose" shit? It's getting really really old.

For crying out loud the same people who are bitching now are the same people that swore Trump couldn't take out 16 other people in the primaries.

Sunday, June 26
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 46, Trump 41 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 51, Trump 39 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 39, Trump 38, Johnson 10, Stein 6 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 47, Trump 37, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Clinton +10
Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 40, Trump 39 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 44, Trump 41 Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Trump 42, Clinton 44 Clinton +2

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

Kind of hard when pollsters are polling liberal 2-1 over Conservatives and not taking that into account in their polling data.
Here's Why The New Polls Showing Donald Trump Trailing Hillary Are Flawed | The Sean Hannity Show

Please post the polls that show Trump leading Hillary beyond the margin of error.

um, Gary Johnson wants to get rid of the minimum wage. Can't you fucking read? WE are talking about IF Gary Johnson won the election. Damn you people are morons.
Second click the damn link. look at WHO is being polled. 2/3rds are liberals 1/3 is conservative of course Hillary is going to win those polls.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh good grief. With the exception of the ABC/WP poll, Trump's within the margin of error. What's all this "Trump is going to lose" shit? It's getting really really old.

For crying out loud the same people who are bitching now are the same people that swore Trump couldn't take out 16 other people in the primaries.

Sunday, June 26
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 46, Trump 41 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 51, Trump 39 Clinton +12
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 39, Trump 38, Johnson 10, Stein 6 Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein ABC News/Wash Post Clinton 47, Trump 37, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Clinton +10
Colorado: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 40, Trump 39 Clinton +1
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 44, Trump 41 Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/YouGov Trump 42, Clinton 44 Clinton +2

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

If EW hits Trump like she did today every day for the rest of the campaign, he may not get 25% of the vote.

td and the true believers don't realize how truly despicable the man is to more than 70% of America.

That he could be even more despicable then HRC shows just amazingly how inept he is and unprepared to be president of the USA.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

So plenty of people in the GOP want to Dump Trump because he looks like a real loser and the thing he's said render him unfit for office. His disapproval ratings are even higher than Hillary's, he lacks organization at the grassroots level, and his campaign has less money than most people can find under the sofa.
In any case the meme that he would at least be better than Hillary is proven false, as he has backtracked on virtually every position he has taken. There is no telling what he would do, and that's scary.
So if the GOP dumps him, then what?
To me the only logical choice is Gary Johnson, current nominee of the LP and Rubio as VP. Johnson was elected as a Republican anyway and he will be more appealing to millenials, certainly than Trump.

Rabbi, usually I agree with you, and on this thread, I even slightly agree with you.

BUT, that being said, if it is Hillary V Trumpy, we are fools if we vote for anyone but Trumpy. We can NOT allow Hillary to win, or we lose for decades the Supreme court. If that happens, then every EO a Democrat puts in will be constitutional, and every EO, or even law congress puts in will be unconstitutional if it goes against Socialist dogma.

Now, do I think Donnie sucks? Yes I do, he sucks big, he sucks long, he sucks hard. But when we had a choice, where WERE the conservatives, the evangelicals, or anybody else in the Republican party who knew, like most of us do, that Donnie sucks?

But, the question is a simple one----------> Who sucks worse, and in fact, a lot worse? Voting for someone who can't win gives you the worst, of the worst. That makes no sense at all, and Johnson, (did you watch any of their debate) is off the rails too.

Get Hillary defeated, put Trump in, do the hokey-pokey on everything but reasonable ideas, throw him out in 20............if we can do a BETTER FREAKIN job at pushing someone who can do something. If you aren't going to get involved in pushing a Cruz, or someone else, then vote for Johnson, because as long as people complain and do NOTHING, we are going to lose, so you might as well surrender now-)

Have you considered just how bad Drumpf's (Trumpy?) EOs would be.

Read and listen to what he says.

As for the question asked in the subject line = "after trumpy" ... How long would it take to come back financially? $30+Trillion debt, an end to jobs amd naufacturing, closed factories - the list is pretty much endliess.

Or do you RWNJ traitors really believe its only Drumpf's own products that he would send to other countries? And that he would suddenly hire Americans and pay a decent wage?

He did say 'wages are too high' and we need to 'end minimum wage'. He does hire illegals and foreigners and pay $1.50 hour.

But I'll be you fools really think that would change if he were elected.

Right? You do believe it, don't you? Go ahead, admit you're THAT dumb.

 

[whitehall]

Is it a Freudian slip? When a hard core leftie admits that the republican candidate's disapproval rating is "EVEN Higher" than Hillary's what does it indicate? When the left wing uses the term "even higher" they are admitting that they are betting on a candidate they despise.

 

[Slyhunter]

Nope, you are an idiot if you think a GJ victory is going to lead to mass immigration.

It's not going to happen.

You are lying about deportation slips. The count are those deported in person and those turned back.

Slyhunter, your ilk's days of lying and not being called on it are over.

First off giving Green cards to anyone who wants them while simultaneously getting rid of welfare and the minimum wage, all thing Gary Johnson wants to do will create masses amount of people who can't afford to rent a decent house to compete for jobs and live in Bamboo huts like they do in Cambodia, Cage homes like they do in Hong Kong, or Coffin Hotels like they do in Japan.

SEcond off I get sick and tired of proving what I say over and over again for the likes of you. But here it is again for the fourteenth fucking time.
High deportation figures are misleading


Ever hear of catch and release. They catch them, then release them in the US with promises to show up at court, which they never do.

First, none of that shit will happen with Johnson as president

Second, your link deliberately misanalyzes the data. So you know it and are a liar, or just fucking stupid.

Third, you are just fucking stupid.

I'm a liar or stupid, no you are.
Gary Johnson wants to eliminate the minimum wage --> Gary Johnson’s stance on minimum wage
(I've already proven Gary Johnson wants to give work visas to anyone who wants them.
2+2=4.
No minimum wage + third worlders competing for jobs = Americans living like this -->

Takes a brain to do the math and you apparently are missing one.

My links don't misanalyze shit. They catch them, issue them court summons then release them inside the US with promises to return to court. Catch and fucking release. No deportation. And don't counter with "but Bush" I alreADY KNOW BUSH DID IT FIRST and I don't give a fuck stop fucking doing it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Except that isnt true.
next.

Bullshit he wants to issue work permits to anyone who wants them. That is the same thing as open borders.

If you dont see a distinction you are too fucking stupid to engage in debate.

The end result is the same, massive unemployment because foreigns will take our jobs for less money.

There is a min wage. How are foreigners going to work for less than min wage?

Not a single poll showing Trump winning.

They are in a statistical dead heat because of the margin of error. And when Hillary has been behind in any polls you don't see the left wingers on the board calling for her head and to remove her as the nominee.

You cannot show a single poll that has Trump winning. There are polls showing Hillary winning even beyond the margin. That looks pretty bad. If he were that popular you could show at least one poll where he is ahead.

Kind of hard when pollsters are polling liberal 2-1 over Conservatives and not taking that into account in their polling data.
Here's Why The New Polls Showing Donald Trump Trailing Hillary Are Flawed | The Sean Hannity Show

Please post the polls that show Trump leading Hillary beyond the margin of error.

um, Gary Johnson wants to get rid of the minimum wage. Can't you fucking read? WE are talking about IF Gary Johnson won the election. Damn you people are morons.
Second click the damn link. look at WHO is being polled. 2/3rds are liberals 1/3 is conservative of course Hillary is going to win those polls.

In the first debate, Trumpery said wages are too high and get rid of minimum wage.

Then his handlers told him he shouldn't tell that little truth and now he's lying about it.

Go back and watch the first debate. He's very clear.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is it a Freudian slip? When a hard core leftie admits that the republican candidate's disapproval rating is "EVEN Higher" than Hillary's what does it indicate? When the left wing uses the term "even higher" they are admitting that they are betting on a candidate they despise.

It indicates a true Republican is willing to face facts.

A fake Republican like whitehall wants to lie.

 

[kaz]

So plenty of people in the GOP want to Dump Trump because he looks like a real loser and the thing he's said render him unfit for office. His disapproval ratings are even higher than Hillary's, he lacks organization at the grassroots level, and his campaign has less money than most people can find under the sofa.
In any case the meme that he would at least be better than Hillary is proven false, as he has backtracked on virtually every position he has taken. There is no telling what he would do, and that's scary.
So if the GOP dumps him, then what?
To me the only logical choice is Gary Johnson, current nominee of the LP and Rubio as VP. Johnson was elected as a Republican anyway and he will be more appealing to millenials, certainly than Trump.

After Reagan, Republicans nominated HW, HW, Dole, W, W, Romney. I'm not seeing Trump in being a deviation from that trend ...

 

[kaz]

Is it a Freudian slip? When a hard core leftie admits that the republican candidate's disapproval rating is "EVEN Higher" than Hillary's what does it indicate? When the left wing uses the term "even higher" they are admitting that they are betting on a candidate they despise.

It indicates a true Republican is willing to face facts.

A fake Republican like whitehall wants to lie.

Yes, a true Republican shills for the neocon Hillary, right Jake?

 

[AceRothstein]

BTW the reason Hillary is winning in the polls is because they are polling more Democrats than Republicans and not telling anyone about it except in the small print.

Here's Why The New Polls Showing Donald Trump Trailing Hillary Are Flawed | The Sean Hannity Show

Yeah, you always have to check the methodology. Amazing the number of ways they can rig a poll.

This is the same shit you guys said in 2012. Have you not learned a thing?

 

[JakeStarkey]

kaz, Trump is even worse than Bush. What does that tell you?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Trump criticized Obama for deporting too many illegal immigrants. It was his finest moment.