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I have always found it interesting that the opponents to any government program only believe the government statistics that support their view. The rest are just bull shit.20 million people haven't signed up for Obamacare.I don't see how anyone can explain it since congress doesn't know what the alternative will be.I think you're confusing what the dishonest press is saying about Trump with what he spells out at his press conferences. He said the moment his secretary is approved he will submit the forms to authorities to begin the process of replacing Obamacare with a more affordable and better working alternative. Your problem is you don't believe him. Trump intends on leaving in place just what is needed so he won't cause people to lose their insurance. How he does it is in the details and it would take too long to explain it in a 45 minute press conference. You want him to read the plan word for word cover to cover. Anything less wouldn't satisfy you.
Apparently, Republicans are going for a reconciliation bill to be passed by the House today. The Senate will make some procedural changes that will allow the Senate to remove some existing parts of the law immune from a Democrat filibusterer but other would still be subject to filibusterer.
Through Executive Orders Trump after being nominated can remove:
The Senate will be able to remove the following parts of the law without interference of a Democrat filibusterer:
- Cost Sharing Subsidies
- Contraception Coverage
- Medicaid Expansion that provides insurance for 10 million
- Premium Subsidies/ tax credits 8 million
- Individual Mandate
- Employer Mandate
- New Taxes
However key provisions of the law will not be immune to a Democrat filibusterer. These are:
- Pre-existing conditions
- Essential Health Benefits
- Limit on Age Rating
- Parents Policy till age 26
- Ban of Setting Rates on Health Status
The problem of course is taking away the mandates to buy insurance while keeping the harder-to-change provisions, like the pre-existing conditions which would destabilize the insurance market. Easy to remove provisions such as premium subsidies and the Medicaid Expansion would cause nearly 20 million people to lose coverage. Harder to remove provisions such a preexisting conditions, age rating, and essential benefits add significant to cost.
I don't understand why Republicans decided on keeping the existing law and gutting it. This mean the Senate will have to negotiate parts of the law with Democrats. Why not a repeal that goes into effect when a replacement is passed by Republicans. That's what they promised in the election.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/.../why-it-will-be-hard-to-repeal-obamacare.html
That's just campaign gibberish intended to fool the masses.
If Obamacare stays active employee offered plans will be dropped by businesses and then you'll have as many as 65% of the insured lose their coverage. It's all spelled out in the National Register. It was predicted way back in 2010.
As it is, Obamacare is causing millions of people on Medicare to lose part of their coverage because several procedures and tests will not be authorized and Medicare only pays up to a specific amount which is why they talk about the doughnut hole in Medicare.
You're just full of misinformation today.
The widespread predictions that employers would leap at the chance to drop coverage and send workers to fend for themselves has not happened and is not likely because:
Exactly what tests and procedures are being dropped by Medicare? The ACA cut in Medicare were estimated at $716 billion, those cuts didn’t hurt Medicare at all, they improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary.
- Healthcare coverage is an important recruitment and retention tool, particular today.
- Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance. And if they dropped the coverage, many workers would expect the money in their paycheck to increase enough to pay for outside insurance.
- The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare. Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. Over the last 3 years, employee healthcare plans have increased 3.5%, 3.0%, and 4% which is very close to the increased in healthcare costs. The projected cost of employee plans for 2017 is in alignment with previous year increases.
ObamaCare Medicare: ObamaCare and Medicare
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/...th-insurance-despite-affordable-care-act.html
One shouldn't quote an Obama created source, it simply isn't credible in this and neither would a Reagan Source.
"Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance"
They only get a % of the cost.
"The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
No, it is a primary expenditure and is usually the largest employer expenditure.
"Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
True.
"Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. "
Yes and no. No it depends on whether or not one had prior credible coverage or not.Yes, if not depending on the plan there could be a 6 or 12 month waiver on the condition.
"The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. "
Aimed at but not achieved.
"improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary."
Mostly propaganda. Think about it.....if you "cut" 716 Billion you cannot by definition be reinvesting it BACK into the program. Yes, the "doughnut hole" will be closed by 2020 meaning that they will have no more than a 25% co-payment for their drugs once they reach the threshold. Today they (the elderly) are STILL getting hammered by having to pay 50 to 75 % co-payments in the hole.
Stay away from pro Obama bullshit.
The fact is government statistics on it's programs are not collected to just to defend the program but to manage them. For example, the IRS has to handle Obamacare subsidies, they need the data as to who get's subsidies and how much is collected. Numbers of Medicaid enrolls must be collected so both the feds and states can determine their share of the costs. State Insurance Commission need to know statistics on what companies are selling in their state. The BLS, OBM, and CBO, require all kinds of statistics on the ACA for budget purposes, projections, and ad hoc requests from congress.
Trump created "fake news" for eight years with Obama's birth certificate. He also has his own Twitter fake news outlet. Sexual assault denial fake news. CIA fake news. Clinton crimes fake news. And you take it all hook, line and sinker.CNN has obviously already been shown to be the very definition of fake news. It's also incredibly funny to watch so called liberals suddenly fall in love with the intelligence apparatus. And Obamacare is shit. I believe that covers all three of your concerns.Labeling CNN "fake news", Trump is trying to create his own "Nazi style" propaganda machine.
Trying to discredit the CIA, without even taking their classified daily reports, pretending to know more than they do.
And dismantling the ACA along with the cons, saying he'll replace it "almost" simultaneously is just his next big lie. It's horrifying that the republicans hate Obama so much, that they are willing to throw 30 million sick Americans out in the street.
For someone that thinks he so smart, he doesn't have a clue about karma. This narcissist will be the death of this country.
So you're not one of the 30 million, aren't you special? What you gonna do when your karma catches you?Already, Trump destroying info, intel and healthcare
Weird, I just had a dentist appointment this afternoon. The building was still standing; the people were still working. I saw no destruction whatsoever. I had an x-ray, an exam, and a cleaning.
I was surprised Schumer said it in public, but he said what everybody has known in DC since forever; don't fuck with the spooks. Especially with a personal, business, and financial background like Trump's.
I really don't think the CIA or NSA or anyone leaked that document from Russia. They'd be shooting themselves in the head.
Probably not, I'm assuming it came from a political figure, probably Johnny Walnuts (McCain). I would hope that if the IC were going to leak damaging info they would have something a little stronger, unless this was a warning shot (doubtful).
It's pretty damned terrifying if true. Not the pee part (that shit's just funny) but the bribery by Russia, and the blackmail. That's as bad as it gets for a presidential scandal.
How can something that never happened be terrifying? You can't be that big of a snowflake.
Me: "It's pretty damned terrifying if true."
So you're illiterate? That's what you're saying?
So you're not one of the 30 million, aren't you special? What you gonna do when your karma catches you?Already, Trump destroying info, intel and healthcare
Weird, I just had a dentist appointment this afternoon. The building was still standing; the people were still working. I saw no destruction whatsoever. I had an x-ray, an exam, and a cleaning.
Thanks for confirming that you're a douche bag. How do you walk around in public considering what you know about yourself?I too hope he intensifies his fight against the MSM to all that criticism him, bringing the full weight of his office down on them, a steady flow of 3 am tweets, and more conspiracy theories, and of course more grab'em by the pussy videos to thrill his supporters.If there are any bullies in this election it was the mainstream media who attacked Trump relentlessly. Now they cry like little babies when they get what's coming to them.It doesn't take courage to be a bully, when you have more power at your fingertips than anyone on earth.Putting down a reporter in a news conference does not help Trump's image as the most powerful man in world, just that of a bully with a sensitive ego that doesn't know how to handle the media.He's already the most powerful man in the world.
And he is right to refuse to pander to fake news outlets, or waste time answering retarded questions about his sexual proclivities and bathroom habits.
Trump has been battling CNN since he started his campaign. He's using this incident as an attempt to label CNN reporting as false news. However, anyone that read the CNN story will see that they did not release the 35 page report and they labeled the information as being alleged and being investigated by the FBI.
If Trump can silence CNN, then he will have silenced the strongest voice opposing him. What apparently Trump does not understand, you can not silence the media by bullying them; that only draws more criticism.
The only people who think that way are the people who never voted for him in the first place. Ever since he first announced his run, people have been saying things like that about him. It didn't stop him. Why? Because people are finally seeing a leader with a spine and they like it.
Our society is increasingly mistaking aggression for strength, and bullying for leadership. Donald Trump’s bombastic, aggressive, and wildly popular Presidential campaign is proof of this. The allure of the bully is seductive yet is ultimately disappointing because bullies make for terrible leaders.
Real strength comes from a quiet determination to do what is right, make the difficult decisions, and serve the interests of the nation. The individuals who make the best leaders aren’t aggressive. Instead, their quiet confidence speaks louder than any blustering.
It's time for all you douche bags to suck it up. You're going to be crying for the next 8 years, and I will enjoy every single tear.
What tyrant has not proclaimed a love of country. One can not love their country and hate it's government, institutions, and it's people. It appears an even bigger majority than voted against Trump in the election shares that opinion. As of Jan 10th Trump's approval rating stands at 39% and Obama at 55%.I know what you mean.....I grew tired of hearing Obozo talk in the first month.It looks like Donald Trump will have the shortest honeymoon on record. Normally, newly elected presidents enjoy a wave of goodwill that allows them to fly high at least through their first 100 days. Trump has not yet been sworn in, and the honeymoon has already come and gone.I too hope he intensifies his fight against the MSM to all that criticism him, bringing the full weight of his office down on them, a steady flow of 3 am tweets, and more conspiracy theories, and of course more grab'em by the pussy videos to thrill his supporters.
It is the JOB of the media to question, criticize, and provide the public with information. To do less than this would be to shirk their job. Freedom of the press is enshrined in the Constitution. What you are saying, and what Trumpbots repeatedly say is that they don't want Trump to respect the Constitution.
No religious freedom for Muslims.
No freedom of assembly for liberals.
No freedom of the press.
No due process prior to deportation.
The only thing you asshats care about is keeping your precious guns.
Where do you get this stuff? Do you just make it up as you go?
"No religious freedom for Muslims."
There are Mosques all over this Nation.
"No freedom of assembly for liberals"
Prove it....AND look what the Dems did for the 68 Convention
"No due process prior to deportation"
If you are here illegally we give you a free ride home, that's all the "Due Process" required by the Constitution.
Trump has suggested banning Muslim immigration, and making Muslims currently in the US register with the government. He's also talked about shutting down mosques which he thinks are promoting anti-American values. All of which is enthusiastically cheered at his rallies.
How many posts have I seen in here just today saying Liberals should be deported, banned or driven out of the country? So much for freedom of assemply and the right of free speech. Other posters in this forum suggest killing liberals in their signature lines. Trump told his supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies, and offered to pay their legal fees if they were arrested for doing so. When violence erupted as a result, he blamed the protesters.
Incidents of attacks on Muslims, immigrants and non-white are up all across the nation.
And he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
Trump’s own instincts and inclinations, a thirst for attention leads him to hyperactivity. His need to dominate every news cycle feeds an almost compulsive tweet habit. It has placed him just about continuously at the center of the national conversation, and not always to his benefit. Within a 100 days, most American are going to be so tired of listening to Bozo, the clown no one is going to be paying any attention to what he says. I have wonder what will Bozo do then to get attention. That's when we all have to start worrying.
Now he only has a few days left and he never seems to get the hint that most of America wants to see him gone. Even his supporters are breathing a sigh of relief.
Trump can be repetitious and not the greatest wordsmith, but he inspires people and his business sense is like a breath of fresh air compared to what we've had to put up with the last 8 years. Trump doesn't have to fake his love of America like Obama. You can tell he does.
What tyrant has not proclaimed a love of country. One can not love their country and hate it's government, institutions, and it's people. It appears an even bigger majority than voted against Trump in the election shares that opinion. As of Nov 10th Trump's approval rating stands at 39% and Obama at 55%.I know what you mean.....I grew tired of hearing Obozo talk in the first month.It looks like Donald Trump will have the shortest honeymoon on record. Normally, newly elected presidents enjoy a wave of goodwill that allows them to fly high at least through their first 100 days. Trump has not yet been sworn in, and the honeymoon has already come and gone.It is the JOB of the media to question, criticize, and provide the public with information. To do less than this would be to shirk their job. Freedom of the press is enshrined in the Constitution. What you are saying, and what Trumpbots repeatedly say is that they don't want Trump to respect the Constitution.
No religious freedom for Muslims.
No freedom of assembly for liberals.
No freedom of the press.
No due process prior to deportation.
The only thing you asshats care about is keeping your precious guns.
Where do you get this stuff? Do you just make it up as you go?
"No religious freedom for Muslims."
There are Mosques all over this Nation.
"No freedom of assembly for liberals"
Prove it....AND look what the Dems did for the 68 Convention
"No due process prior to deportation"
If you are here illegally we give you a free ride home, that's all the "Due Process" required by the Constitution.
Trump has suggested banning Muslim immigration, and making Muslims currently in the US register with the government. He's also talked about shutting down mosques which he thinks are promoting anti-American values. All of which is enthusiastically cheered at his rallies.
How many posts have I seen in here just today saying Liberals should be deported, banned or driven out of the country? So much for freedom of assemply and the right of free speech. Other posters in this forum suggest killing liberals in their signature lines. Trump told his supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies, and offered to pay their legal fees if they were arrested for doing so. When violence erupted as a result, he blamed the protesters.
Incidents of attacks on Muslims, immigrants and non-white are up all across the nation.
And he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
Trump’s own instincts and inclinations, a thirst for attention leads him to hyperactivity. His need to dominate every news cycle feeds an almost compulsive tweet habit. It has placed him just about continuously at the center of the national conversation, and not always to his benefit. Within a 100 days, most American are going to be so tired of listening to Bozo, the clown no one is going to be paying any attention to what he says. I have wonder what will Bozo do then to get attention. That's when we all have to start worrying.
Now he only has a few days left and he never seems to get the hint that most of America wants to see him gone. Even his supporters are breathing a sigh of relief.
Trump can be repetitious and not the greatest wordsmith, but he inspires people and his business sense is like a breath of fresh air compared to what we've had to put up with the last 8 years. Trump doesn't have to fake his love of America like Obama. You can tell he does.
No president as far back as Reagan has entered office with numbers this low. By contrast, 83 percent approved of President Barack Obama's transition in 2008. By contrast, 83 percent approved of President Barack Obama's transition in 2008, 61% for Bush.
Donald Trump has only one love and it certain is not his country.
The numbers on Medicaid can be determined by using the state numbers, in fact that's where the fed gets the numbers from because the states administer the programs. Number of insurered comes from the US Census Bureau. I assume you think they are lying too so there is no need digging up those number or wasting time on conspiracy theories.The problem with that is Obama's Administration is dishonest, when it comes to what caused Benghazi or Russian hacking. It's all lies. It's not much of a stretch to assume that every statistic that they produced is politically motivated and just as dishonest using fuzzy math.I have always found it interesting that the opponents to any government program only believe the government statistics that support their view. The rest are just bull shit.20 million people haven't signed up for Obamacare.I don't see how anyone can explain it since congress doesn't know what the alternative will be.
Apparently, Republicans are going for a reconciliation bill to be passed by the House today. The Senate will make some procedural changes that will allow the Senate to remove some existing parts of the law immune from a Democrat filibusterer but other would still be subject to filibusterer.
Through Executive Orders Trump after being nominated can remove:
The Senate will be able to remove the following parts of the law without interference of a Democrat filibusterer:
- Cost Sharing Subsidies
- Contraception Coverage
- Medicaid Expansion that provides insurance for 10 million
- Premium Subsidies/ tax credits 8 million
- Individual Mandate
- Employer Mandate
- New Taxes
However key provisions of the law will not be immune to a Democrat filibusterer. These are:
- Pre-existing conditions
- Essential Health Benefits
- Limit on Age Rating
- Parents Policy till age 26
- Ban of Setting Rates on Health Status
The problem of course is taking away the mandates to buy insurance while keeping the harder-to-change provisions, like the pre-existing conditions which would destabilize the insurance market. Easy to remove provisions such as premium subsidies and the Medicaid Expansion would cause nearly 20 million people to lose coverage. Harder to remove provisions such a preexisting conditions, age rating, and essential benefits add significant to cost.
I don't understand why Republicans decided on keeping the existing law and gutting it. This mean the Senate will have to negotiate parts of the law with Democrats. Why not a repeal that goes into effect when a replacement is passed by Republicans. That's what they promised in the election.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/.../why-it-will-be-hard-to-repeal-obamacare.html
That's just campaign gibberish intended to fool the masses.
If Obamacare stays active employee offered plans will be dropped by businesses and then you'll have as many as 65% of the insured lose their coverage. It's all spelled out in the National Register. It was predicted way back in 2010.
As it is, Obamacare is causing millions of people on Medicare to lose part of their coverage because several procedures and tests will not be authorized and Medicare only pays up to a specific amount which is why they talk about the doughnut hole in Medicare.
You're just full of misinformation today.
The widespread predictions that employers would leap at the chance to drop coverage and send workers to fend for themselves has not happened and is not likely because:
Exactly what tests and procedures are being dropped by Medicare? The ACA cut in Medicare were estimated at $716 billion, those cuts didn’t hurt Medicare at all, they improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary.
- Healthcare coverage is an important recruitment and retention tool, particular today.
- Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance. And if they dropped the coverage, many workers would expect the money in their paycheck to increase enough to pay for outside insurance.
- The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare. Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. Over the last 3 years, employee healthcare plans have increased 3.5%, 3.0%, and 4% which is very close to the increased in healthcare costs. The projected cost of employee plans for 2017 is in alignment with previous year increases.
ObamaCare Medicare: ObamaCare and Medicare
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/...th-insurance-despite-affordable-care-act.html
One shouldn't quote an Obama created source, it simply isn't credible in this and neither would a Reagan Source.
"Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance"
They only get a % of the cost.
"The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
No, it is a primary expenditure and is usually the largest employer expenditure.
"Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
True.
"Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. "
Yes and no. No it depends on whether or not one had prior credible coverage or not.Yes, if not depending on the plan there could be a 6 or 12 month waiver on the condition.
"The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. "
Aimed at but not achieved.
"improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary."
Mostly propaganda. Think about it.....if you "cut" 716 Billion you cannot by definition be reinvesting it BACK into the program. Yes, the "doughnut hole" will be closed by 2020 meaning that they will have no more than a 25% co-payment for their drugs once they reach the threshold. Today they (the elderly) are STILL getting hammered by having to pay 50 to 75 % co-payments in the hole.
Stay away from pro Obama bullshit.
The fact is government statistics on it's programs are not collected to just to defend the program but to manage them. For example, the IRS has to handle Obamacare subsidies, they need the data as to who get's subsidies and how much is collected. Numbers of Medicaid enrolls must be collected so both the feds and states can determine their share of the costs. State Insurance Commission need to know statistics on what companies are selling in their state. The BLS, OBM, and CBO, require all kinds of statistics on the ACA for budget purposes, projections, and ad hoc requests from congress.
What tyrant has not proclaimed a love of country. One can not love their country and hate it's government, institutions, and it's people. It appears an even bigger majority than voted against Trump in the election shares that opinion. As of Jan 10th Trump's approval rating stands at 39% and Obama at 55%.I know what you mean.....I grew tired of hearing Obozo talk in the first month.It looks like Donald Trump will have the shortest honeymoon on record. Normally, newly elected presidents enjoy a wave of goodwill that allows them to fly high at least through their first 100 days. Trump has not yet been sworn in, and the honeymoon has already come and gone.It is the JOB of the media to question, criticize, and provide the public with information. To do less than this would be to shirk their job. Freedom of the press is enshrined in the Constitution. What you are saying, and what Trumpbots repeatedly say is that they don't want Trump to respect the Constitution.
No religious freedom for Muslims.
No freedom of assembly for liberals.
No freedom of the press.
No due process prior to deportation.
The only thing you asshats care about is keeping your precious guns.
Where do you get this stuff? Do you just make it up as you go?
"No religious freedom for Muslims."
There are Mosques all over this Nation.
"No freedom of assembly for liberals"
Prove it....AND look what the Dems did for the 68 Convention
"No due process prior to deportation"
If you are here illegally we give you a free ride home, that's all the "Due Process" required by the Constitution.
Trump has suggested banning Muslim immigration, and making Muslims currently in the US register with the government. He's also talked about shutting down mosques which he thinks are promoting anti-American values. All of which is enthusiastically cheered at his rallies.
How many posts have I seen in here just today saying Liberals should be deported, banned or driven out of the country? So much for freedom of assemply and the right of free speech. Other posters in this forum suggest killing liberals in their signature lines. Trump told his supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies, and offered to pay their legal fees if they were arrested for doing so. When violence erupted as a result, he blamed the protesters.
Incidents of attacks on Muslims, immigrants and non-white are up all across the nation.
And he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
Trump’s own instincts and inclinations, a thirst for attention leads him to hyperactivity. His need to dominate every news cycle feeds an almost compulsive tweet habit. It has placed him just about continuously at the center of the national conversation, and not always to his benefit. Within a 100 days, most American are going to be so tired of listening to Bozo, the clown no one is going to be paying any attention to what he says. I have wonder what will Bozo do then to get attention. That's when we all have to start worrying.
Now he only has a few days left and he never seems to get the hint that most of America wants to see him gone. Even his supporters are breathing a sigh of relief.
Trump can be repetitious and not the greatest wordsmith, but he inspires people and his business sense is like a breath of fresh air compared to what we've had to put up with the last 8 years. Trump doesn't have to fake his love of America like Obama. You can tell he does.
No president as far back as Reagan has entered office with numbers this low. By contrast, 83 percent approved of President Barack Obama's transition in 2008. By contrast, 83 percent approved of President Barack Obama's transition in 2008, 61% for Bush.
Donald Trump has only one love and it certain is not his country.
The numbers on Medicaid can be determined by using the state numbers, in fact that's where the fed gets the numbers from because the states administer the programs. Number of insurered comes from the US Census Bureau. I assume you think they are lying too so there is no need digging up those number or wasting time on conspiracy theories.The problem with that is Obama's Administration is dishonest, when it comes to what caused Benghazi or Russian hacking. It's all lies. It's not much of a stretch to assume that every statistic that they produced is politically motivated and just as dishonest using fuzzy math.I have always found it interesting that the opponents to any government program only believe the government statistics that support their view. The rest are just bull shit.20 million people haven't signed up for Obamacare.
That's just campaign gibberish intended to fool the masses.
If Obamacare stays active employee offered plans will be dropped by businesses and then you'll have as many as 65% of the insured lose their coverage. It's all spelled out in the National Register. It was predicted way back in 2010.
As it is, Obamacare is causing millions of people on Medicare to lose part of their coverage because several procedures and tests will not be authorized and Medicare only pays up to a specific amount which is why they talk about the doughnut hole in Medicare.
You're just full of misinformation today.
The widespread predictions that employers would leap at the chance to drop coverage and send workers to fend for themselves has not happened and is not likely because:
Exactly what tests and procedures are being dropped by Medicare? The ACA cut in Medicare were estimated at $716 billion, those cuts didn’t hurt Medicare at all, they improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary.
- Healthcare coverage is an important recruitment and retention tool, particular today.
- Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance. And if they dropped the coverage, many workers would expect the money in their paycheck to increase enough to pay for outside insurance.
- The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare. Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. Over the last 3 years, employee healthcare plans have increased 3.5%, 3.0%, and 4% which is very close to the increased in healthcare costs. The projected cost of employee plans for 2017 is in alignment with previous year increases.
ObamaCare Medicare: ObamaCare and Medicare
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/...th-insurance-despite-affordable-care-act.html
One shouldn't quote an Obama created source, it simply isn't credible in this and neither would a Reagan Source.
"Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance"
They only get a % of the cost.
"The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
No, it is a primary expenditure and is usually the largest employer expenditure.
"Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
True.
"Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. "
Yes and no. No it depends on whether or not one had prior credible coverage or not.Yes, if not depending on the plan there could be a 6 or 12 month waiver on the condition.
"The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. "
Aimed at but not achieved.
"improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary."
Mostly propaganda. Think about it.....if you "cut" 716 Billion you cannot by definition be reinvesting it BACK into the program. Yes, the "doughnut hole" will be closed by 2020 meaning that they will have no more than a 25% co-payment for their drugs once they reach the threshold. Today they (the elderly) are STILL getting hammered by having to pay 50 to 75 % co-payments in the hole.
Stay away from pro Obama bullshit.
The fact is government statistics on it's programs are not collected to just to defend the program but to manage them. For example, the IRS has to handle Obamacare subsidies, they need the data as to who get's subsidies and how much is collected. Numbers of Medicaid enrolls must be collected so both the feds and states can determine their share of the costs. State Insurance Commission need to know statistics on what companies are selling in their state. The BLS, OBM, and CBO, require all kinds of statistics on the ACA for budget purposes, projections, and ad hoc requests from congress.
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Weird, I just had a dentist appointment this afternoon. The building was still standing; the people were still working. I saw no destruction whatsoever. I had an x-ray, an exam, and a cleaning.
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Weird, I just had a dentist appointment this afternoon. The building was still standing; the people were still working. I saw no destruction whatsoever. I had an x-ray, an exam, and a cleaning.
Since when does Obama care cover dental?
The average annual out of pocket is $6224, not $14,200. The services available at no cost go way beyond just mammograms. There are 63 free services which include a yearly office visit, free vaccinations, and dozens of free screenings and test for all members of the family. In addition, having a bronze plan or most any insurance plan means that you will be paying a contracted rate in the deductible phase if you see network providers which saves an average of 25% to 35% and that includes prescription drugs.The numbers on Medicaid can be determined by using the state numbers, in fact that's where the fed gets the numbers from because the states administer the programs. Number of insurered comes from the US Census Bureau. I assume you think they are lying too so there is no need digging up those number or wasting time on conspiracy theories.The problem with that is Obama's Administration is dishonest, when it comes to what caused Benghazi or Russian hacking. It's all lies. It's not much of a stretch to assume that every statistic that they produced is politically motivated and just as dishonest using fuzzy math.I have always found it interesting that the opponents to any government program only believe the government statistics that support their view. The rest are just bull shit.You're just full of misinformation today.
The widespread predictions that employers would leap at the chance to drop coverage and send workers to fend for themselves has not happened and is not likely because:
Exactly what tests and procedures are being dropped by Medicare? The ACA cut in Medicare were estimated at $716 billion, those cuts didn’t hurt Medicare at all, they improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary.
- Healthcare coverage is an important recruitment and retention tool, particular today.
- Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance. And if they dropped the coverage, many workers would expect the money in their paycheck to increase enough to pay for outside insurance.
- The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare. Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. Over the last 3 years, employee healthcare plans have increased 3.5%, 3.0%, and 4% which is very close to the increased in healthcare costs. The projected cost of employee plans for 2017 is in alignment with previous year increases.
ObamaCare Medicare: ObamaCare and Medicare
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/...th-insurance-despite-affordable-care-act.html
One shouldn't quote an Obama created source, it simply isn't credible in this and neither would a Reagan Source.
"Companies get a sizable federal tax break from providing the insurance"
They only get a % of the cost.
"The cost burden on employers has been grossly over estimated. Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
No, it is a primary expenditure and is usually the largest employer expenditure.
"Over 90% of all employee healthcare plans include all the essential coverage in Obamacare."
True.
"Unlike individual plans, employer plans are not impacted by preexisting condition elimination. "
Yes and no. No it depends on whether or not one had prior credible coverage or not.Yes, if not depending on the plan there could be a 6 or 12 month waiver on the condition.
"The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. "
Aimed at but not achieved.
"improved it. The Medicare cuts contained in the law were aimed at improving care by limiting fraud, waste, and abuse. The money saved from those cuts has been being reinvested back into Medicare and ObamaCare to improve care for seniors. Improvements include closing the Medicare Part D “donut hole”, reducing overpayments to hospitals, and more. As of early 2015 8.2 million seniors had saved more than $11.5 billion on their prescription drugs since 2010 – an average of $1,407 per beneficiary."
Mostly propaganda. Think about it.....if you "cut" 716 Billion you cannot by definition be reinvesting it BACK into the program. Yes, the "doughnut hole" will be closed by 2020 meaning that they will have no more than a 25% co-payment for their drugs once they reach the threshold. Today they (the elderly) are STILL getting hammered by having to pay 50 to 75 % co-payments in the hole.
Stay away from pro Obama bullshit.
The fact is government statistics on it's programs are not collected to just to defend the program but to manage them. For example, the IRS has to handle Obamacare subsidies, they need the data as to who get's subsidies and how much is collected. Numbers of Medicaid enrolls must be collected so both the feds and states can determine their share of the costs. State Insurance Commission need to know statistics on what companies are selling in their state. The BLS, OBM, and CBO, require all kinds of statistics on the ACA for budget purposes, projections, and ad hoc requests from congress.
I'll ask you again. Do you really think that someone who NEEDS the subsidies just to buy a Bronze PLan that STILL exposes them to a 14200 out of pocket expense is truly helpful? Do you actually think that they are going to say : "Well at least my mammogram was free".
We're paying their subsidies and WE'RE paying that 14200 that they can't afford.
You seem to be snagged on the Medicaid portion of the law, why?
Do you understand WHY the Feds wanted the States to expand Medicaid? I'll help you with it. The The majority f the Medicaid expenditures come from the State. That way the Feds can keep those expenditures OFF of THEIR books, it shows as a State expenditure and makes the numbers LOOK better for the Feds.
That's it. It's all about which/who's dollars are being spent.
I really don't think the CIA or NSA or anyone leaked that document from Russia. They'd be shooting themselves in the head.
Probably not, I'm assuming it came from a political figure, probably Johnny Walnuts (McCain). I would hope that if the IC were going to leak damaging info they would have something a little stronger, unless this was a warning shot (doubtful).
It's pretty damned terrifying if true. Not the pee part (that shit's just funny) but the bribery by Russia, and the blackmail. That's as bad as it gets for a presidential scandal.
How can something that never happened be terrifying? You can't be that big of a snowflake.
Me: "It's pretty damned terrifying if true."
So you're illiterate? That's what you're saying?
No, I'm saying you're a delusional moonbat.
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Weird, I just had a dentist appointment this afternoon. The building was still standing; the people were still working. I saw no destruction whatsoever. I had an x-ray, an exam, and a cleaning.
Since when does Obama care cover dental?
Pediatric Dental, that's it and it has a 2 year waiting period. These idiots are simply partisan stupid.
Pat Tillman would body slam this little Snowflake.Poor little child, you had no problem with it being what made every other presidents election legitimate, but hey, if you don't like the way our country works, feel free to employ Article 5, or even a simpler solution, just leave for one of those other industrialized nations you seem to prefer. Of course I think they guy you're using as your avatar would bitch slap the hell out of you for your fucked up attitude.
Wrong, Pat Tillman gave his life so people like him could voice his opinion.
He doesn't have a right to voice anything in a white house presser. He has the right to ask relevant questions and be respectful, or get the fuck out.
Then he can say whatever he wants from his safe space. THAT is his right.
There is a right to a free press. It's in the Constitution. That's what Pat Tillman died to protect. Sorry that defeats your narrative, but it is what it is.
No. Pat Tillman did not die to protect some communist asshat's right to scream at the president in a world-televised live presser. THAT is not the definition of "freedom of the press".
And freedom of the press does not compel interviewees to respond to every ridiculous allegation that corrupt propagandists throw at them.
If the press wants to enjoy their FREEDOM, then they should act ethically. If they claim to be journalists, they must act like journalists..or risk losing their credentials.
Ultimately, the interviewees grant the press access to them. They provide the press passes. Just anybody can't screech "gimme a badge I'm the PRESS!" and get in. So if you are *press* and you behave in a manner that is not ethical and is, in fact, disruptive..particularly if you are not serving any journalistic function in your endeavors...you are going to lose the privilege of attending those pressers.
Then you can enjoy your freedom of speech from the area on the other side of the cordoned off sidewalk.
Gen. George S. Patton once said no bastard ever won a war by giving his life for his country. Wars are won by making the other dumb bastard give his life for his country.Pat Tillman would body slam this little Snowflake.I know exactly how the EC works, I also understand that the only majority that counts are within State lines. It's you regressives that don't understand our form of government and give credence to irrelevant shit.
Regressives?
Are you aware of the origins of the electoral college? It's a compromise with slaveholding states that was instituted along with the three-fifths compromise. If anything's "regressive" it's the EC. No industrialized nation on earth aside form ours elects a president in such a way. It's undemocratic and it's a relic of a time when Virginia plantation owners wanted to increase their representation in national elections using their unwilling slaves as quota points.
Enjoy clinging to THAT legacy as your legitimacy for Trump's presidency.
Poor little child, you had no problem with it being what made every other presidents election legitimate, but hey, if you don't like the way our country works, feel free to employ Article 5, or even a simpler solution, just leave for one of those other industrialized nations you seem to prefer. Of course I think they guy you're using as your avatar would bitch slap the hell out of you for your fucked up attitude.
Wrong, Pat Tillman gave his life so people like him could voice his opinion.
Keeping that in mind.....
Pat Tillman didn't give his life. He was trying to provide support to members of his unit that mistook him for enemy units. He was killed in an attempt to save the lives of those who killed him. It was a terrible accident.
Pat Tillman would body slam this little Snowflake.I see. You don't understand how the EC works. That or you don't have a working understanding of the definition of "majority".
I know exactly how the EC works, I also understand that the only majority that counts are within State lines. It's you regressives that don't understand our form of government and give credence to irrelevant shit.
Regressives?
Are you aware of the origins of the electoral college? It's a compromise with slaveholding states that was instituted along with the three-fifths compromise. If anything's "regressive" it's the EC. No industrialized nation on earth aside form ours elects a president in such a way. It's undemocratic and it's a relic of a time when Virginia plantation owners wanted to increase their representation in national elections using their unwilling slaves as quota points.
Enjoy clinging to THAT legacy as your legitimacy for Trump's presidency.
Poor little child, you had no problem with it being what made every other presidents election legitimate, but hey, if you don't like the way our country works, feel free to employ Article 5, or even a simpler solution, just leave for one of those other industrialized nations you seem to prefer. Of course I think they guy you're using as your avatar would bitch slap the hell out of you for your fucked up attitude.
Yep, the little puke dishonors him with every post.
Pat Tillman would body slam this little Snowflake.304-227 say we're not.
I see. You don't understand how the EC works. That or you don't have a working understanding of the definition of "majority".
I know exactly how the EC works, I also understand that the only majority that counts are within State lines. It's you regressives that don't understand our form of government and give credence to irrelevant shit.
Regressives?
Are you aware of the origins of the electoral college? It's a compromise with slaveholding states that was instituted along with the three-fifths compromise. If anything's "regressive" it's the EC. No industrialized nation on earth aside form ours elects a president in such a way. It's undemocratic and it's a relic of a time when Virginia plantation owners wanted to increase their representation in national elections using their unwilling slaves as quota points.
Enjoy clinging to THAT legacy as your legitimacy for Trump's presidency.
Poor little child, you had no problem with it being what made every other presidents election legitimate, but hey, if you don't like the way our country works, feel free to employ Article 5, or even a simpler solution, just leave for one of those other industrialized nations you seem to prefer. Of course I think they guy you're using as your avatar would bitch slap the hell out of you for your fucked up attitude.
