America Without God: No 'Moral Facts'

[Agit8r]

The more fundamental inception was the French Revolution, which threw out God and religion.

And yet, The Terror was carried out under state religion:

Cult of the Supreme Being - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[hortysir]

"But...without the authority of God, there are no moral facts.....only opinions...and any opinion can be countered with another opinion."

Oh, so that makes me the mass murderer.

You're welcome to your idiotic opinions but don't pretend you're interested in a conversation. Every single one of your posts is loaded with your usual insults.

This is just SSDD from our resident home schooled, fundie nutter.

Define "murder" and what is bad (or good) about it.
Who says?

Our society says its wrong. Did you really need to read thou shall not murder to know its wrong?

You need to go deeper than that.

Where did "our society" get that notion?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The more fundamental inception was the French Revolution, which threw out God and religion.

And yet, The Terror was carried out under state religion:

Cult of the Supreme Being - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Astounding what a fabrication you've posted.

As the link describes it....'a form of deism..."


Seems that anything could be so describes.


The French Revolution eradicated the God and religion....actual religion.

The facts:

1. With the Jacobins in control, the “de-Christianization” campaign kicked into high gear. Inspired by Rousseau’s idea of the religion civile, the revolution sought to completely destroy Christianity and replace it with a religion of the state. To honor “reason” and fulfill the promise of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen that “no one may be questioned about his opinions, including his religious views,” Catholic priests were forced to stand before the revolutionary clubs and take oaths to France’s new humanocentric religion, the Cult of Reason (which is French for ‘People for the American Way’).
   1. Revolutionaries smashed church art and statues.
2. In Lyon, the archbishop refused to swear allegiance to the republic, and was removed, replaced by the revolutionary bishop Antoine Lamourette. But the people of Lyon responded by clinging to their guns and religion. So, the Convention ordered that Lyon, the second-largest city in France, be destroyed and a monument erected on the ashes proclaiming: “Lyon waged war against liberty; Lyon is no more.”
   1. "The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)a was an atheistic belief system established in France and intended as a replacement for Christianity during the French Revolution." Cult of Reason - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
   2. Joseph Fouché, head of the de-Christianization, arranged for the “bankers, scholars, aristocrats, priests, nuns, wealthy merchants, their wives, mistresses and children” to be dragged from their homes and killed by firing squads. He then wrote that Christianity in the provinces “had been struck down once and for all.”
3. In lieu of religious holidays, which were banned, the revolutionaries put on “Fetes of Reason.” The first was in November 1793, in the Notre Dame Cathedral, which had been renamed “The Temple of Reason,” with “To Philosophy” carved on the façade and the altar named the “Altar of Reason.” It was an ACLU fantasy come true!

From "Demonic," chapter seven, Coulter.



You've really revealed yourself to be an ass, huh?

 

[Dot Com]

Yes it is. No matter how much good they might do, its based on a myth and monotheism has committed many atrocities throughout its inception.

"celestial dictatorship" (Hitchens term) He's right. You can have it. As for me?

"...monotheism has committed many atrocities throughout its inception."

I love smashing the custard pie in the kisser of you anti-religion bigots.

Ready?

"On the other hand, let’s take a look at secularism’s rich history of mass murder, and we need not go back a thousand years to make the point. Here are the 800 pound gorilla death totals from some notable secular leaders from the recent past (from the book Death by Government by R.J. Rummel):



Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Chiang Kaishek...10,214,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......122,064,000

122 million slaughtered by people who believe as you do.



Now go wash that mess off your face.

vs. Noah's Flood?

Gotcha running away from the facts I presented like you were burned.

And, you were.



I told you to wipe your face off....that's disgusting.

The Great Flood isn't a fact?

 

[NYcarbineer]

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But there are no moral facts sans religion.

The Right likes to call secular humanism a religion. I guess that means that the morality of secular humanism is fact.

For evidence, google: secular humanism religion

 

[NYcarbineer]

If religion comes from God, and religion establishes the moral 'facts', which I assume to mean moral absolutes,

1. why aren't they uniform across all religions?

2. why can Men change the rules of any religion whenever they choose, within the limits of the religion's procedure for changing the rules (procedures composed by Men)????

I was just reading about the many changes religions have made to their particular version of the bible. They all have an agenda and they have changed the bible to help them push that agenda.

Funny to me is that all religions say their god is the 'one true god' and that all others are "idols". The basic selling point of all religions is that their god can beat up your god.

Well if you want me to join or convert you have to tell me why yours is better. Every popular religion has a unusual hook or twist that makes them better than the rest.

Not to me.

I've never found any religion more attractive to me than science and fact-based reality.

But there are no moral facts sans religion.


....according to the philosopher, the problem is due to the public school.



10. "...our public schools teach students that all claims are either facts or opinions and that all value and moral claims fall into the latter camp. The punchline: there are no moral facts. And if there are no moral facts, then there are no moral truths.

The inconsistency in this curriculum is obvious.

.... my son brought home a list of student rights and responsibilities. Had he already read the lesson on fact vs. opinion, he might have noted that the supposed rights of other students were based on no more than opinions. According to the school’s curriculum, it certainly wasn’t true that his classmates deserved to be treated a particular way — that would make it a fact. Similarly, it wasn’t really true that he had any responsibilities — that would be to make a value claim a truth.



It should not be a surprise that there is rampant cheating on college campuses: If we’ve taught our students for 12 years that there is no fact of the matter as to whether cheating is wrong, we can’t very well blame them for doing so later on.

If it’s not true that it’s wrong to murder a cartoonist with whom one disagrees, then how can we be outraged?

If there are no truths about what is good or valuable or right, how can we prosecute people for crimes against humanity? If it’s not true that all humans are created equal, then why vote for any political system that doesn’t benefit you over others?" http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.co...ildren-dont-think-there-are-moral-facts/?_r=0

Humans create morality.

 

[Derideo_Te]

But...without the authority of God, there are no moral facts

Since God does not exist you just proved that all morality is opinion.

Great job, PoliticalSpice.

Oh, and yes, your rebuttal must include absolute indisputable evidence that your God exists otherwise you will just be tacitly admitting that I am right.

Have a nice Sunday.

 

[sealybobo]

9. " How does the dichotomy between fact and opinion relate to morality.... Kids are asked to sort facts from opinions and, without fail,everyvalue claim is labeled as an opinion. Here’s a little test devised from questions available on fact vs. opinion worksheets online: are the following facts or opinions?


— Copying homework assignments is wrong.

— Cursing in school is inappropriate behavior.

— All men are created equal.

— It is worth sacrificing some personal liberties to protect our country from terrorism.

— It is wrong for people under the age of 21 to drink alcohol.

— Vegetarians are healthier than people who eat meat.

— Drug dealers belong in prison.

In each case, the worksheets categorize these claims as opinions. ... each of these claims is a value claim and value claims are not facts.
This is repeated ad nauseum: any claim with good, right, wrong, etc. is not a fact." http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.co...ildren-dont-think-there-are-moral-facts/?_r=0

Cursing is wrong because you'll get in trouble. Or it will make you look bad. Or because it might offend others. Or it might lead to violence if you are cursing someone. Lots of reasons not to curse without god.

I agree.

Lots of reasons can be attributed to her entire list and none of them have anything to do with believing in a god.

Holy cow I just watched a debate where cardinal pell said good athiests go to heaven! The evolution of christianity I love it. I'll be honest that's what made me hate christians. Telling non christians they'll go to hell. Fuck you. Lol. Glad to hear that bullshit is dying.

 

[rdean]

1. I was listening to Dennis Prager on the radio, and he referred to this NYTimes piece by a secular philosopher, called "Why Our Children Don’t Think There Are Moral Facts." http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.co...ildren-dont-think-there-are-moral-facts/?_r=0




2. Most children who weren't brought up in a religious household, with a clear recognition of God, fail to recognize the difference between moral facts, and opinions.

While the author of the article bemoans, as do most of us, that"the overwhelming majority of college freshmen in their classrooms view moral claims as mere opinions that are not true or are true only relative to a culture" he fails to grasp the reason for this situation..

3. ".... if you found out that our public schools were teaching children that it is not true that it’s wrong to kill people for fun or cheat on tests? Would you be surprised?.... many college-aged students don’t believe in moral facts."




4. While raising an excellent point, our philosopher misses the brass ring, here: "What I didn’t know was where this attitude came from. Given the presence of moral relativism in some academic circles, some people might naturally assume that philosophers themselves are to blame."



5.He may not know the provenance.....but I know where the view originates. The proximate roots of this view can be traced to the anthropologist Franz Boas, who, in an effort to study exotic cultures without prejudice, found it useful to take the position that no culture is superior to any other. Thus was born the idea of cultural relativity.

The idea spread like wildfire through the universities, catapulted by the radical impetus of the sixties. ready and willing to reject "the universality of Western norms and principles."
Bawer, "The Victim's Revolution"

a. The more fundamental inception was the French Revolution, which threw out God and religion.
Without the concept of God who sets the rules of morality.....every moral fact is no more than an opinion.




b. "Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood by others in terms of that individual's own culture. This principle was established as axiomatic in anthropological research by Franz Boas in the first few decades of the 20th century and later popularized by his students. Boas first articulated the idea in 1887:

"...civilization is not something absolute, but ... is relative, and ... our ideas and conceptions are true only so far as our civilization goes."[1] ....
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/t...elativism.html




6. Our philosopher seems shocked to find that the Enlightenment ideas, those of David Hume, have been accepted, wholesale, in society.
" When I went to visit my son’s second grade open house, I found a troubling pair of signs hanging over the bulletin board. They read:

Fact: Something that is true about a subject and can be tested or proven.

Opinion: What someone thinks, feels, or believes."

You can see where this leaves 'God' or 'religion.'




7. In the West, the dichotomy between empirical truth and morality, or values, began with the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment, impressive as it was, so much so that many thinkers elevated empirical science to the sole source of truth.

a. Empiricism is the doctrine that all knowledge is derived from the senses: what we see, hear, hold, weigh, and measure. Where, then do we find moral truths? Clearly, under such a definition, values and morals could not be truths, but simply emotions, feelings.

b. Empiricist philosopher Hume reasoned this way: if knowledge is based on sensations, then morality, too, must come from sensations, i.e. pain or pleasure, or, as he put it, a matter of ‘taste and sentiment,” Hume claims then, that moral distinctions are not derived from reason but rather from sentiment.
Hume's Moral Philosophy (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)



This view reduces morality to personal taste: “Whatever works for you.”

Let him die.
Feed the poor and they will breed.
Children work better hungry.
It's not our responsibility.
Cut food stamps for poor children.
Cut taxes for the "job creators".
The farm bill money to the rich is good because they are the producers.
Businesses are people my friend.
Kill the gays.

Republicans pretend to be so moral and yet, what they believe makes them dirty to any really "moral" person. Don't you agree?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes it is. No matter how much good they might do, its based on a myth and monotheism has committed many atrocities throughout its inception.

"celestial dictatorship" (Hitchens term) He's right. You can have it. As for me?

"...monotheism has committed many atrocities throughout its inception."

I love smashing the custard pie in the kisser of you anti-religion bigots.

Ready?

"On the other hand, let’s take a look at secularism’s rich history of mass murder, and we need not go back a thousand years to make the point. Here are the 800 pound gorilla death totals from some notable secular leaders from the recent past (from the book Death by Government by R.J. Rummel):



Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Chiang Kaishek...10,214,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......122,064,000

122 million slaughtered by people who believe as you do.



Now go wash that mess off your face.

vs. Noah's Flood?

Gotcha running away from the facts I presented like you were burned.

And, you were.



I told you to wipe your face off....that's disgusting.

The Great Flood isn't a fact?

You can run but you can't hide.

You wrote: "...monotheism has committed many atrocities throughout its inception"...
....and I stuffed it right back down your throat.

 

[G.T.]

Our society says its wrong. Did you really need to read thou shall not murder to know its wrong?

"Our society says it's wrong."

You dope......

Your god must be very proud that you are following his teachings with your egotistical, know-it-all, holier-than-thou name calling and insults, always calling people stupid, dumb, "dope".

Did you learn that in Sunday school?

Winning hearts and minds....that's what I'm all about.
But...If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


"....egotistical...."
Hmmm....got me.

The ego is the largest barrier from enlightenment. Its no accident yours is huge.

One needs reasons to be egotistical.....a condition you will, alas, never experience.

Youre right. Theres no good reason for anyone to be egotistical, so you being a lame of average intelligence....

Psst.

Its no wonder.

 

[PoliticalChic]

[



But there are no moral facts sans religion.

The Right likes to call secular humanism a religion. I guess that means that the morality of secular humanism is fact.

For evidence, google: secular humanism religion

"The Right blah blah blah...."

Afraid to address lil' ol' moi?

 

[PoliticalChic]

If religion comes from God, and religion establishes the moral 'facts', which I assume to mean moral absolutes,

1. why aren't they uniform across all religions?

2. why can Men change the rules of any religion whenever they choose, within the limits of the religion's procedure for changing the rules (procedures composed by Men)????

I was just reading about the many changes religions have made to their particular version of the bible. They all have an agenda and they have changed the bible to help them push that agenda.

Funny to me is that all religions say their god is the 'one true god' and that all others are "idols". The basic selling point of all religions is that their god can beat up your god.

Well if you want me to join or convert you have to tell me why yours is better. Every popular religion has a unusual hook or twist that makes them better than the rest.

Not to me.

I've never found any religion more attractive to me than science and fact-based reality.

But there are no moral facts sans religion.


....according to the philosopher, the problem is due to the public school.



10. "...our public schools teach students that all claims are either facts or opinions and that all value and moral claims fall into the latter camp. The punchline: there are no moral facts. And if there are no moral facts, then there are no moral truths.

The inconsistency in this curriculum is obvious.

.... my son brought home a list of student rights and responsibilities. Had he already read the lesson on fact vs. opinion, he might have noted that the supposed rights of other students were based on no more than opinions. According to the school’s curriculum, it certainly wasn’t true that his classmates deserved to be treated a particular way — that would make it a fact. Similarly, it wasn’t really true that he had any responsibilities — that would be to make a value claim a truth.



It should not be a surprise that there is rampant cheating on college campuses: If we’ve taught our students for 12 years that there is no fact of the matter as to whether cheating is wrong, we can’t very well blame them for doing so later on.

If it’s not true that it’s wrong to murder a cartoonist with whom one disagrees, then how can we be outraged?

If there are no truths about what is good or valuable or right, how can we prosecute people for crimes against humanity? If it’s not true that all humans are created equal, then why vote for any political system that doesn’t benefit you over others?" http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.co...ildren-dont-think-there-are-moral-facts/?_r=0

Humans create morality.

I don't believe what you totalitarians do would be called 'morality.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

But...without the authority of God, there are no moral facts

Since God does not exist you just proved that all morality is opinion.

Great job, PoliticalSpice.

Oh, and yes, your rebuttal must include absolute indisputable evidence that your God exists otherwise you will just be tacitly admitting that I am right.

Have a nice Sunday.

Nah...you just re-established that you're a moron.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'America Without God: No 'Moral Facts'"

America has always been without 'god' because there is no 'god' as perceived by theists.

All manifestations of morality, values, and ethical conduct were created by man – whether in the context of religious dogma or not is irrelevant.

Theists have no 'monopoly' on morality, values, and ethical conduct, and it's a manifestation of their arrogance that many believe they do, where the 'authority of “god”' is but a facade behind which most Christians seek to hide their authoritarianism and contempt for the Constitution's mandate that church and state remain separate, and their efforts to conjoin church and state in violation of the First Amendment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. I was listening to Dennis Prager on the radio, and he referred to this NYTimes piece by a secular philosopher, called "Why Our Children Don’t Think There Are Moral Facts." http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.co...ildren-dont-think-there-are-moral-facts/?_r=0




2. Most children who weren't brought up in a religious household, with a clear recognition of God, fail to recognize the difference between moral facts, and opinions.

While the author of the article bemoans, as do most of us, that"the overwhelming majority of college freshmen in their classrooms view moral claims as mere opinions that are not true or are true only relative to a culture" he fails to grasp the reason for this situation..

3. ".... if you found out that our public schools were teaching children that it is not true that it’s wrong to kill people for fun or cheat on tests? Would you be surprised?.... many college-aged students don’t believe in moral facts."




4. While raising an excellent point, our philosopher misses the brass ring, here: "What I didn’t know was where this attitude came from. Given the presence of moral relativism in some academic circles, some people might naturally assume that philosophers themselves are to blame."



5.He may not know the provenance.....but I know where the view originates. The proximate roots of this view can be traced to the anthropologist Franz Boas, who, in an effort to study exotic cultures without prejudice, found it useful to take the position that no culture is superior to any other. Thus was born the idea of cultural relativity.

The idea spread like wildfire through the universities, catapulted by the radical impetus of the sixties. ready and willing to reject "the universality of Western norms and principles."
Bawer, "The Victim's Revolution"

a. The more fundamental inception was the French Revolution, which threw out God and religion.
Without the concept of God who sets the rules of morality.....every moral fact is no more than an opinion.




b. "Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood by others in terms of that individual's own culture. This principle was established as axiomatic in anthropological research by Franz Boas in the first few decades of the 20th century and later popularized by his students. Boas first articulated the idea in 1887:

"...civilization is not something absolute, but ... is relative, and ... our ideas and conceptions are true only so far as our civilization goes."[1] ....
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/t...elativism.html




6. Our philosopher seems shocked to find that the Enlightenment ideas, those of David Hume, have been accepted, wholesale, in society.
" When I went to visit my son’s second grade open house, I found a troubling pair of signs hanging over the bulletin board. They read:

Fact: Something that is true about a subject and can be tested or proven.

Opinion: What someone thinks, feels, or believes."

You can see where this leaves 'God' or 'religion.'




7. In the West, the dichotomy between empirical truth and morality, or values, began with the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment, impressive as it was, so much so that many thinkers elevated empirical science to the sole source of truth.

a. Empiricism is the doctrine that all knowledge is derived from the senses: what we see, hear, hold, weigh, and measure. Where, then do we find moral truths? Clearly, under such a definition, values and morals could not be truths, but simply emotions, feelings.

b. Empiricist philosopher Hume reasoned this way: if knowledge is based on sensations, then morality, too, must come from sensations, i.e. pain or pleasure, or, as he put it, a matter of ‘taste and sentiment,” Hume claims then, that moral distinctions are not derived from reason but rather from sentiment.
Hume's Moral Philosophy (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)



This view reduces morality to personal taste: “Whatever works for you.”

Let him die.
Feed the poor and they will breed.
Children work better hungry.
It's not our responsibility.
Cut food stamps for poor children.
Cut taxes for the "job creators".
The farm bill money to the rich is good because they are the producers.
Businesses are people my friend.
Kill the gays.

Republicans pretend to be so moral and yet, what they believe makes them dirty to any really "moral" person. Don't you agree?

How's this for in your face?

a)Democrat Tom Daschle, original nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department, and says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg


b) Democrat Governor Dick Lamm once created a firestorm in Colorado (a few years after leaving the Governor’s office) when he said: “the elderly have a duty to die.”


c) A key (Obama) administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
Defend Your Health Care - Keeping Your Body Mind in Shape

Downgrading American Medical Care The American Spectator


d.) One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."


e).Dr. David Blumenthal, a Harvard professor and key health advisor to President Obama, conceded that "government controls on health care spending are associated with longer waits for elective procedures and reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices." Could this mean angioplasty, bypass surgery, hip replacement, and knee replacement? Who could this be aimed at? How about ‘longer waits’ for cancer patients? Mammograms and MRI’s?
Defend Your Health Care - Keeping Your Body Mind in Shape



f.) The RAND Corporation, a nonpartisan research organization, reported that Canada posts lower rates of cardiac procedures than the U.S. almost entirely by restricting their use for patients age 65 and older -- the time of life you're likely to need it.
Defend Your Health Care - Keeping Your Body Mind in Shape


g.) ...slipped into the emergency stimulus legislation was substantial funding for a Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, comparative effectiveness research is generally code for limiting care based on the patient's age.” The CER would identify (this is language from the draft report on the legislation) medical "items, procedures, and interventions" that it deems insufficiently effective or excessively expensive. They "will no longer be prescribed" by federal health programs.” Are you thinking ‘seniors’?
George F. Will - How the GOP Should Measure the Stimulus



The short version: Democrats plan to kill Americans.

 

[hortysir]

'America Without God: No 'Moral Facts'"

America has always been without 'god' because there is no 'god' as perceived by theists.

All manifestations of morality, values, and ethical conduct were created by man – whether in the context of religious dogma or not is irrelevant.

Theists have no 'monopoly' on morality, values, and ethical conduct, and it's a manifestation of their arrogance that many believe they do, where the 'authority of “god”' is but a facade behind which most Christians seek to hide their authoritarianism and contempt for the Constitution's mandate that church and state remain separate, and their efforts to conjoin church and state in violation of the First Amendment.

If morality is just a human construct what is the motivation to follow it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Our society says it's wrong."

You dope......

Your god must be very proud that you are following his teachings with your egotistical, know-it-all, holier-than-thou name calling and insults, always calling people stupid, dumb, "dope".

Did you learn that in Sunday school?

Winning hearts and minds....that's what I'm all about.
But...If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


"....egotistical...."
Hmmm....got me.

The ego is the largest barrier from enlightenment. Its no accident yours is huge.

One needs reasons to be egotistical.....a condition you will, alas, never experience.

Youre right. Theres no good reason for anyone to be egotistical, so you being a lame of average intelligence....

Psst.

Its no wonder.

"....so you being a lame of average intelligence...."



WHAT??????


What a moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

'America Without God: No 'Moral Facts'"

America has always been without 'god' because there is no 'god' as perceived by theists.

All manifestations of morality, values, and ethical conduct were created by man – whether in the context of religious dogma or not is irrelevant.

Theists have no 'monopoly' on morality, values, and ethical conduct, and it's a manifestation of their arrogance that many believe they do, where the 'authority of “god”' is but a facade behind which most Christians seek to hide their authoritarianism and contempt for the Constitution's mandate that church and state remain separate, and their efforts to conjoin church and state in violation of the First Amendment.

C_Chamber_Pot.....you should take a course in history.


1. The Bible is the basis of the Constitution

2. There are four references to ‘Divine’ in D of I… 1)in first paragraph ‘Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,’ 2) next paragraph ‘endowed by their Creator,” 3) Supreme Judge of the world, and 4) ‘divine’ Providence, last paragraph.

This is important because our historic documents memorialize a government based on individuals born with inalienable rights, by, in various references, by the Divine, or Nature’s God, or their Creator, or the Supreme Judge, or divine Providence.


So....no only are you a fool, but you don't mind letting everyone know it!

Don't ever change.

 

[G.T.]

Your god must be very proud that you are following his teachings with your egotistical, know-it-all, holier-than-thou name calling and insults, always calling people stupid, dumb, "dope".

Did you learn that in Sunday school?

Winning hearts and minds....that's what I'm all about.
But...If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.


"....egotistical...."
Hmmm....got me.

The ego is the largest barrier from enlightenment. Its no accident yours is huge.

One needs reasons to be egotistical.....a condition you will, alas, never experience.

Youre right. Theres no good reason for anyone to be egotistical, so you being a lame of average intelligence....

Psst.

Its no wonder.

"....so you being a lame of average intelligence...."



WHAT??????


What a moron.

So you being a lame of average intelligence,