Zone1 Catholics (real ones) do NOT go against Scripture or add to it. It's a lie.

[The Irish Ram]

During the International Mariological Congress at Czestochowa, Poland:
There was unanimous agreement at the meeting that the Holy See not make such a declaration at this time. There were two reasons for this decision: the first dealt with the theological clarifications which must first be made, and the second dealt with the ecumenical dialogue. In accord with the precedent set at Vatican II, the participants agreed that a doctrinal declaration should not "settle questions which have not yet been fully clarified by the work of theologians". They noted that Vatican II had already stated that the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix
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Find me the scripture that confirms that Mary is our advocate, helper, benefactress and mediator, and you will have won the debate.

1John 2:1 "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Psalm 103:2-5 Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies, Who satisfies your mouth with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle's. As important as it is to not forget His benefits, it is paramount that we give praise to the Benefactor.

1 Tim: 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.​

 

[Meriweather]

During the International Mariological Congress at Czestochowa, Poland:
There was unanimous agreement at the meeting that the Holy See not make such a declaration at this time. There were two reasons for this decision: the first dealt with the theological clarifications which must first be made, and the second dealt with the ecumenical dialogue. In accord with the precedent set at Vatican II, the participants agreed that a doctrinal declaration should not "settle questions which have not yet been fully clarified by the work of theologians". They noted that Vatican II had already stated that the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix
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Find me the scripture that confirms that Mary is our advocate, helper, benefactress and mediator, and you will have won the debate.

1John 2:1 "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Psalm 103:2-5 Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies, Who satisfies your mouth with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle's. As important as it is to not forget His benefits, it is paramount that we give praise to the Benefactor.

1 Tim: 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.​

Really? The University of Dayton--Who upfront admitted those terms are subject to "ambiguous and different interpretations."

Why not go straight to the Vatican, the Lumen Gentium? It uses these titles for Mary:

• Mother of the Church
• Mother of God
• Participant in the Economy of Salvation
• The New Eve (because of her obedience to God)
• Handmaid of the Lord
• Queen of the Universe
• Model of Virtues
• Sign of Hope and Solace

Instead of the Vatican, why choose the University of Dayton as your source for material on the Catholic faith?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Really? The University of Dayton--Who upfront admitted those terms are subject to "ambiguous and different interpretations."

Why not go straight to the Vatican, the Lumen Gentium? It uses these titles for Mary:

• Mother of the Church
• Mother of God
• Participant in the Economy of Salvation
• The New Eve (because of her obedience to God)
• Handmaid of the Lord
• Queen of the Universe
• Model of Virtues
• Sign of Hope and Solace

Instead of the Vatican, why choose the University of Dayton as your source for material on the Catholic faith?

lol. The quote is FROM the Lumen Gentium 54 and LG 62. The University of Dayton is quoting the Vatican.
Instead of going after the messenger, just quote the scripture that affirms the Vatican's position. Quote the scripture that tells us we have 2 mediators.

 

[Meriweather]

lol. The quote is FROM the Lumen Gentium 54 and LG 62. The University of Dayton is quoting the Vatican.
Instead of going after the messenger, just quote the scripture that affirms the Vatican's position. Quote the scripture that tells us we have 2 mediators.

54. Wherefore this Holy Synod, in expounding the doctrine on the Church, in which the divine Redeemer works salvation, intends to describe with diligence both the role of the Blessed Virgin in the mystery of the Incarnate Word and the Mystical Body, and the duties of redeemed mankind toward the Mother of God, who is mother of Christ and mother of men, particularly of the faithful. It does not, however, have it in mind to give a complete doctrine on Mary, nor does it wish to decide those questions which the work of theologians has not yet fully clarified. Those opinions therefore may be lawfully retained which are propounded in Catholic schools concerning her, who occupies a place in the Church which is the highest after Christ and yet very close to us.(4*)
62. This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(15*) By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.(16*) This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.(17*)

Note the referrals to both other paragraphs and footnotes. Did you also study these? Do you understand the context? I could copy and paste these, but I'm guessing it would just be a waste of time as you seem convinced you understand Catholic doctrine/dogma better than the Catholic Church and are convinced you should teach your own knowledge, not that of the source.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Vatican can't add then. 1+1=2. Jesus plus Mary equals 2 mediators. The Bible clearly tells us there is only one mediator. One advocate.
As for auxiliary Mary:
Auxiliary: providing supplementary or additional help and support. Extra, back-up, supplemental, spare, substitute...

We have one redeemer and he didn't rely on any human to fulfill His mission. He needed no help.

 

[Meriweather]

We have one redeemer and he didn't rely on any human to fulfill His mission. He needed no help.

Interesting perspective. Without a mother to agree to give birth, without Apostles and their successors to learn and spread the message of salvation and redemption both orally and in writing, without anyone hearing or reading anything, Christ could redeem the world, no one else needed. I wonder why God's plan included using humans or even letting us know we are redeemed.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Interesting perspective. Without a mother to agree to give birth, without Apostles and their successors to learn and spread the message of salvation and redemption both orally and in writing, without anyone hearing or reading anything, Christ could redeem the world, no one else needed. I wonder why God's plan included using humans or even letting us know we are redeemed.

Wonder no more. Here is why the plan included humans:
Because Jesus, who fulfilled Jewish Law, had to become human to be our kinsman redeemer. He had to be kin to Adam to reclaim what Adam forfeited. That is why Jesus is called the second Adam. As per Jewish Law, a kinsman redeemer is a relative who, at his own expense, pays off the debts of another.

Jesus had a mom and dad, believers who followed Him and paid for supplies, sewed clothes, cooked meals etc. and none of them had anything to do with our redemption. God bless them all for taking such good care of our redeemer. Nevertheless, that did not give any of them godly attributes.

Isaiah 47:4 Our Redeemer—the Lord of hosts is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.​

According to scripture, no one has co-opted the role...

 

[surada]

Wonder no more. Here is why the plan included humans:
Because Jesus, who fulfilled Jewish Law, had to become human to be our kinsman redeemer. He had to be kin to Adam to reclaim what Adam forfeited. That is why Jesus is called the second Adam. As per Jewish Law, a kinsman redeemer is a relative who, at his own expense, pays off the debts of another.

Jesus had a mom and dad, believers who followed Him and paid for supplies, sewed clothes, cooked meals etc. and none of them had anything to do with our redemption. God bless them all for taking such good care of our redeemer. Nevertheless, that did not give any of them godly attributes.

Isaiah 47:4 Our Redeemer—the Lord of hosts is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.​

According to scripture, no one has co-opted the role...

There's nothing about Jesus in Isaiah 47.

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 47 - New International Version

The Fall of Babylon - “Go down, sit in the dust, Virgin Daughter Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, queen city of the Babylonians. No more will you be called tender or delicate. Take millstones and grind flour; take off your veil. Lift up your skirts, bare your legs, and wade through...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Meriweather]

According to scripture, no one has co-opted the role...

No one has ever said anyone co-opted Christ's role.

In a movie, does anyone co-opt the star's role? No. However, aren't there any number of supporting roles/actors? As you saw, the Catholic Church states, any supporting roles do not take away from nor add anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.

Was Adam alone in the Garden of Eden? Was Adam's sin the sole sin that day? Did sin halt with Adam? Did Sarah have any role in the the births of Isaac and Ishmael or was it Abraham alone? Did Sarah have any role is Ishmael being banished to the desert, or was that all Abraham as well?

What about Rebecca, Jacob, and Esau. Did Rebecca have a role in Jacob stealing Esau's blessing, or was that Esau alone?

In the same way, did Mary's obedience have a role in Jesus' life? Did Jesus alone have the role of proclaiming the Good News? Would we all know about redemption and salvation without Paul and the Apostles?

Again, the supporting roles the others took on did not eclipse the starring role of Jesus. So why the attempt to erase Mary from the scene? Catholics do not see Mary in any way as eclipsing Jesus' role in salvation and redemption. Why do you?

No human has ever lived in a vacuum. Jesus was fully man, so nor did he live in a vacuum. He was like man in every way but sin. There were supporting players in all aspects of his life.