Zone1 Catholics (real ones) do NOT go against Scripture or add to it. It's a lie.

[Woodznutz]

Who is anyone to tell Catholics what they can believe or not.

Believing error is one thing, teaching it is another.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Neither scripture has anything to do with the Body of Christ in full communion with God. God is God of the living, and the living are all parts of the body. Consider what Paul says about the body: Does one part tell another that part is not needed? Then, should any member of the Body of Christ claim another member is not needed?

If you have no wish to talk to any member of the Body of Christ, then that is your personal call. It is beyond the pale to declare to other members of the Body of Christ they are not allowed to talk anyone other than Christ.

You act like I declared it. What it has to do with is anybody who inquires of the dead, should not, regardless of whatever religious doctrine they practice. Asking Mary for favors will get you nowhere. Isaiah makes the point:

Isaiah 8:19 And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?​

 

[hadit]

sorry, those psgs don't work. Ironically, they do not say

Don't pray to My mother

ha ha... too funny

Do we really need Jesus to explicitly forbid something in order to know it's not something He endorses? Here's a hint, He revered the Law and obeyed it perfectly. Would ANYONE who did that EVER pray to ANYONE other than God Himself?

Also, why on earth would He place such an extraordinary burden on His mother to make her listen to all the pleas and cries of humanity? Isn't it enough that she had to watch her son be executed in the most horrific way?

 

[hadit]

that's because the Rapture is a false, unbiblical belief. For one, it would have Jesus coming 3 times instead of just 2.

That is not true. Rapture teaching does not have Him returning, but rather taking His flock out of the world.

 

[surada]

That is not true. Rapture teaching does not have Him returning, but rather taking His flock out of the world.

The rapture was invented in 1830.

 

[surada]

hadit

Darby has had a profound impact on religion today, since Darby's "secret rapture" false doctrine has infected most conservative, evangelical churches. While the official creeds and statements of faith of many churches either reject or are silent about Rapture, neither do they openly condemn this doctrine of a demon from the pulpit.

While not all dispensationalists believe in the Rapture. All those who teach the Rapture also believe in premillennialism. Both groups use Israel's modern statehood status of 1948 to be a beginning of a countdown to the end.

All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800's (Seventh-day Adventists who are date setting premillennialists who reject the rapture, Jehovah's Witnesses who have set many dates) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible.

Today's date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.

 

[hadit]

I don't know what Greg had in mind. But if we consider the account, who told Mary the wine was running short? Who then brought this problem to Jesus? Why wasn't Mary bypassed and the problem taken directly to Jesus? Whoever brought the matter to Mary's attention must have trusted that Mary might have an idea or two on how to solve it.

I doubt they had any idea that she had supernatural power to do anything. The Bible doesn't specify how Mary became aware of the shortage, but my thought is she was involved in the planning, so whoever noticed wanted to notify her, or she saw it herself. The point is, I wouldn't ascribe any great revealing of the way God's heaven works to this passage.

 

[hadit]

Neither scripture has anything to do with the Body of Christ in full communion with God. God is God of the living, and the living are all parts of the body. Consider what Paul says about the body: Does one part tell another that part is not needed? Then, should any member of the Body of Christ claim another member is not needed?

If you have no wish to talk to any member of the Body of Christ, then that is your personal call. It is beyond the pale to declare to other members of the Body of Christ they are not allowed to talk anyone other than Christ.

The problem is, as we have discussed before, that many do not stop with merely conversing with dead ancestors and take it to worship. There are many Catholics, for example, who actually revere Mary as being greater than ordinary humans, divine, if you will. That's extremely dangerous. Think of this, is it right for someone to become so enamored with Mary that they pray to her, thinking that their prayer will get more of God's attention than if they pray directly to Him?

We believe Mary was a very Godly woman who followed God at great cost to herself and deserves admiration for doing so. We do NOT, however, accept that she is in any way divine or tasked by God to act like Jesus Himself, e.g., being an intercessor between God and man. That's a unique job reserved solely for Jesus to perform.