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I never lie, I'm only well read and immune to propaganda.It's from the first farewell address.A little more detail fleshing out your thesis, please.
Usually it is only the wise that learn from history and their fathers.
For clarity....your position is that the United States encourage the seventh century savages be encouraged to develop a nuclear bomb, their major ballistic missile program not be covered by the proposed treaty, and if it means the destruction of Israel....so be it?
Yes or no?
I don't know what "seventh century savages" you are talking about.
1. Two questions I've asked that you have dodged.
a. .... if LBJ is a traitor with respect to the Liberty incident, what do you surmise would be the correct term for Obama in the light of Iran's hand in the US Embassy Hostages, the Beirut bombing and Khobar towers attack, and his efforts to give them a nuclear weapon?
b. For clarity....your position is that the United States encourage the seventh century savages be encouraged to develop a nuclear bomb, their major ballistic missile program not be covered by the proposed treaty, and if it means the destruction of Israel....so be it?
2. "First off, your characterization of the Iranian revolution shows a lack of knowledge of how the US and the west has manipulated internal Iranian politics."
I haven't 'characterized' the Iranian revolution, but would be happy to compare my knowledge of same with yours.
3. "I don't know what "seventh century savages" you are talking about."
You've gone from disingenuous to totally liar.
The revolution is over
After decades of messianic fervour, Iran is becoming a more mature and modern country, says Oliver August
The revolution is over The Economist
“The government tries to put up controls, but people are well versed in evading them,” says one of Iran’s first bloggers. A lot of effort has gone into trying to mimic China’s strategy of nurturing local websites that can be controlled, such as salam.ir, a search engine. But most of these have failed spectacularly because access to superior foreign competitors is easy. So-called VPNtrepreneurs sell the software and access codes to bypass controls. A 21-year-old wearing cordless headphones says he charges a dollar a month or $10 a year and has 80,000 clients. His day job at an IT company is a cover. Occasionally he pays the cyber-police a few hundred dollars in bribes.
The hunger for free information is fuelled by rising education levels, which are now comparable to those in Western countries. In 2009, 34% of Iranians in the relevant age group went to university. Three years later the number had gone up to 55% and is said to have climbed further since then, mostly thanks to the huge expansion of Azad University, which now has over 100 campuses and 1.5m students. Iran’s cabinet has more members with PhDs from American universities than that of America itself; the president, Hassan Rohani, got his in Scotland. According to SCImago, a Spanish firm that monitors academic journals, Iran’s scientific output has increased by 575% in the past decade. The country also publishes three times more books than all Arab nations combined.
The vastly expanded education system, which makes particular efforts to reach poor and rural families, has acted as a catalyst for independent thinking. The art world has opened up. Film scripts still require approval, but religious themes have faded. Culture is no longer a mere propaganda tool."
That's not a backward nation. The Iranians I've met are more knowledgeable than most Americans.
"...Iran is becoming a more mature and modern country, says Oliver August
The revolution is over The Economist"
The 'Economist'???
No wonder you don't know anything.
"Iranian President Prepares For 12th Imam's Reappearance
CBN.com – NASHVILLE, Tennessee (BP) -- Aug. 22 could be an ominous date for Israelis and Americans based on its significance this year as one of Islam’s most revered holy days, according to a Princeton professor who says Iran may be planning “cataclysmic events” to prepare the way for Shiite Muslims’ awaited messiah.
....Ahmadinejad’s fascination with the return of Shiite Muslims’ messiah and what that means if Ahmadinejad is armed with nuclear weapons.
“Ahmadinejad belongs to the mainstream of Shi’a Islam, known as ‘Twelvers,’” an article posted at www.kairosjournal.org stated. “They recognize a historical succession of Imams, connected by family ties, commencing with Muhammad and concluding with the 12th Imam.”
The 12th Imam was born around 868 A.D. at a time of great persecution of Shiites, the journal explained, and in order to protect him, his father, the 11th Imam, sent him into hiding. He appeared in public briefly at the age of 6 when his father died but then went back into obscurity. Shiites believe he continues to guide Muslims, and they expect his “messianic” return to bring order from chaos and righteousness from unbelief, Kairos said.
“President Ahmadinejad seems to think that the time is ripe for the 12th Imam’s reappearance and that, as president, he should play a role in opening the way for his return,” the journal said. “He is reported to have said in one of his cabinet sessions, ‘We have to turn Iran into a modern and divine country to be the model for all nations, and which will also serve as the basis for the return of the 12th Imam.’”
Iranian President Prepares For 12th Imam s Reappearance -- Spiritual Life CBN.com