An experiment in forum perception

[Darkwind]

The discussion will center around free speech vs hate speech.

Here is the impetus for the discussion. I will not lead up to the discussion with My thoughts because this is an experiment on YOUR thoughts.



Go....

 

[RightyTighty]

Speak your mind (only most here don't have one - fucking drones).

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The discussion will center around free speech vs hate speech.

Here is the impetus for the discussion. I will not lead up to the discussion with My thoughts because this is an experiment on YOUR thoughts.



Go....

I like that guy. Smart.

"Hate speech" designations are a means to limit free speech. Nothing more.

 

[Coyote]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

 

[RightyTighty]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

Fighting words - inciting a riot - it's covered.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

The people performing the actions are liable for their behavior, not the speaker.

 

[Coyote]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

Fighting words - inciting a riot - it's covered.

Yup. And there's that fuzzy area between free speech and action where hate speech lies.

Personally - I think it's best to keep it in the open, exposed to sunlight where it can be refuted - in the open. Otherwise it will fester and grow, and it's believers will feel legitimized as "victims".

 

[RightyTighty]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

The people performing the actions are liable for their behavior, not the speaker.

That depends.

 

[waltky]

Speech that incites violent harm to others...

... should not enjoy free and protected status.

 

[Darkwind]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

I dunno. Ask the professor in Evergreen University. He'd know first hand.

But I think you miss the thrust of the video.

 

[Darkwind]

Speech that incites violent harm to others...

... should not enjoy free and protected status.

Why? There is no need to protect popular speech. Who gets to determine which speech incites?

 

[deannalw]

Outstanding video!

 

[RightyTighty]

Speech that incites violent harm to others...

... should not enjoy free and protected status.

Why? There is no need to protect popular speech. Who gets to determine which speech incites?

The courts - of course.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

The people performing the actions are liable for their behavior, not the speaker.

That depends.

If I tell you as a hungry adult to steal a candy bar, am I liable for the theft?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Speech that incites violent harm to others...

... should not enjoy free and protected status.

I disagree. People of age are responsible for their own behavior.

 

[RightyTighty]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

The people performing the actions are liable for their behavior, not the speaker.

That depends.

If I tell you as a hungry adult to steal a candy bar, am I liable for the theft?

Potentially. Same if you tell me to jump off a bridge (without the bungee cord).

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

The people performing the actions are liable for their behavior, not the speaker.

That depends.

If I tell you as a hungry adult to steal a candy bar, am I liable for the theft?

Potentially. Same if you tell me to jump off a bridge (without the bungee cord).

Go jump off a bridge.

 

[RightyTighty]

Speech that incites violent harm to others...

... should not enjoy free and protected status.

I disagree. People of age are responsible for their own behavior.

People are, but not mobs. They can be criminally incited by just one individual (even if that person takes no actions).

 

[RightyTighty]

What if hate speech drives people to action?

The people performing the actions are liable for their behavior, not the speaker.

That depends.

If I tell you as a hungry adult to steal a candy bar, am I liable for the theft?

Potentially. Same if you tell me to jump off a bridge (without the bungee cord).

Go jump off a bridge.

I have (in New Zealand).

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Speech that incites violent harm to others...

... should not enjoy free and protected status.

I disagree. People of age are responsible for their own behavior.

People are, but not mobs. They can be criminally incited by just one individual (even if that person takes no actions).

Mobs are comprised of individuals, each responsible for their own behavior.