Anarchy results in people stepping up

[Quantum Windbag]

We have the opportunity to learn what happens when a government collapses and people have to live in anarchy because of the massive corruption in Detroit. Unfortunately, for the "Government is not the problem" crowd, people are actually doing things better than the government ever did.

Detroit may be broke but it will soon have a first-rate motor pool, featuring 23 new ambulances and a fleet of 100 new police cars. Some city parks also are getting tender loving care. New fruit trees and shrubs have been planted, and mowing crews are beginning to make the rounds to keep the green spaces tidy. One of the surprising things about Detroit's descent toward insolvency — so dire that a state-appointed emergency manager recently arrived to take over — is that public services haven't collapsed as completely as some might have expected.
But that's not because city departments are functioning as usual. They're not. Instead, a growing collection of volunteers, some affluent, some just average guys riding their Toros, are trying to pick up some services that local government can't provide.
Detroit's Department of D.I.Y. is either the most heartwarming or humiliating reflection of its distress, but the volunteers insist it shows their refusal to give up on the place where they live.

For some Detroit services, call the D.I.Y. Dept.

Somebody want to tell me again that we need taxes?

Ever wonder how the government feels about people doing its job? Fortunately, we have an opportunity to see how governments than people who step up in the exact same city.

After watching an elderly woman forced to stand while waiting for a bus, an idea popped in to Charles Molnar's mind: How about putting park benches at bus stops throughout the city where seating is lacking?But that idea became even more creative.
Armed with a sander and reclaimed wood from demolished homes, Molnar recruited several students from the Detroit Enterprise Academy to help him create a bench than can seat a half-dozen riders, equipped with a bookshelf to hold reading material to help pass the time for riders as they wait.
Several nails and wooden boards later, the first bench was placed at a Detroit bus stop Thursday afternoon.
But it might not be there for long.
Detroit Department of Transportation officials are saying the bench was not approved. If it is affixed to a bus stop, the bench will have to be removed.

Detroit puts brakes on bus-stop benches

Tell me again about how the government is the solution to our problems.

Any of our problems.

 

[Darkwind]

Banging your head against the wall bro.

I have brought this up over 4 years ago and do so every year....Third world government comes to pure Michigan...

 

[FA_Q2]

The second part is what makes me angry with government. Not only are they unable to address most problems but they ACTIVELY STOP OTHERS FROM FIXING THINGS. It is pathetic.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Banging your head against the wall bro.

I have brought this up over 4 years ago and do so every year....Third world government comes to pure Michigan...

I know, but now I have something to show the next person that mentions Somalia.

The second part is what makes me angry with government. Not only are they unable to address most problems but they ACTIVELY STOP OTHERS FROM FIXING THINGS. It is pathetic.

Amen.

 

[RoadVirus]

The second part is what makes me angry with government. Not only are they unable to address most problems but they ACTIVELY STOP OTHERS FROM FIXING THINGS. It is pathetic.

That's government for ya.

 

[BreezeWood]

obviously the above are not involved with the process of permitting for a project - the simplest plan can have hundreds of preestablished criteria that when properly addressed insures the best results to final completion.

Bangladesh factory fire kills 8; collapse toll tops 900 | Reuters

or rather the above is better as in Bangladesh for the garment workers ...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

obviously the above are not involved with the process of permitting for a project - the simplest plan can have hundreds of preestablished criteria that when properly addressed insures the best results to final completion.

Bangladesh factory fire kills 8; collapse toll tops 900 | Reuters

or rather the above is better as in Bangladesh for the garment workers ...

Didn't they arrest the owner of that factory because his building violated code?

Did you think you were scoring a point?

 

[buckeye45_73]

obviously the above are not involved with the process of permitting for a project - the simplest plan can have hundreds of preestablished criteria that when properly addressed insures the best results to final completion.

Bangladesh factory fire kills 8; collapse toll tops 900 | Reuters

or rather the above is better as in Bangladesh for the garment workers ...

Didn't they arrest the owner of that factory because his building violated code?

Did you think you were scoring a point?

At Least 2 Bangladesh Factory Owners, 4 Others Arrested After Building Collapse (UPDATED)


The owner of the building, Sohel Rana, still remains at large. Police detained his wife and cousin in an attempt to force Rana to turn himself in, NBC News reported.
Rana is accused of ignoring warnings that the complex was unsafe, and of adding extra floors to the building without the proper permits, according to NBC.


Yep, so him ignoring current regulations, means we need more....I love how stupid liberal logic is.....

 

[Agit8r]

In some cases people will step up, but not all initiative will be good:

"If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door—or to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of that society into the chaos of gang-rule, i.e., rule by brute force, into perpetual tribal warfare of prehistorical savages.
"The use of physical force—even its retaliatory use—cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens. Peaceful coexistence is impossible if a man has to live under the constant threat of force to be unleashed against him by any of his neighbors at any moment. Whether his neighbors’ intentions are good or bad, whether their judgment is rational or irrational, whether they are motivated by a sense of justice or by ignorance or by prejudice or by malice—the use of force against one man cannot be left to the arbitrary decision of another."
-- Ayn Rand; from 'The Virtue of Selfishness'

 

[buckeye45_73]

In some cases people will step up, but not all initiative will be good:

"If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door—or to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of that society into the chaos of gang-rule, i.e., rule by brute force, into perpetual tribal warfare of prehistorical savages.
"The use of physical force—even its retaliatory use—cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens. Peaceful coexistence is impossible if a man has to live under the constant threat of force to be unleashed against him by any of his neighbors at any moment. Whether his neighbors’ intentions are good or bad, whether their judgment is rational or irrational, whether they are motivated by a sense of justice or by ignorance or by prejudice or by malice—the use of force against one man cannot be left to the arbitrary decision of another."
-- Ayn Rand; from 'The Virtue of Selfishness'

I agree, conservatives are realists, that's why we call utopian socialism, anarchy, because it's bad, yet liberals on this board think we are anarchists and want no government.....

 

[Agit8r]

In some cases people will step up, but not all initiative will be good:

"If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door—or to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of that society into the chaos of gang-rule, i.e., rule by brute force, into perpetual tribal warfare of prehistorical savages.
"The use of physical force—even its retaliatory use—cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens. Peaceful coexistence is impossible if a man has to live under the constant threat of force to be unleashed against him by any of his neighbors at any moment. Whether his neighbors’ intentions are good or bad, whether their judgment is rational or irrational, whether they are motivated by a sense of justice or by ignorance or by prejudice or by malice—the use of force against one man cannot be left to the arbitrary decision of another."
-- Ayn Rand; from 'The Virtue of Selfishness'

I agree, conservatives are realists, that's why we call utopian socialism, anarchy, because it's bad, yet liberals on this board think we are anarchists and want no government.....

Perhaps one get's that impression from all the George Zimmerman fanboys.

 

[buckeye45_73]

In some cases people will step up, but not all initiative will be good:

"If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door—or to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of that society into the chaos of gang-rule, i.e., rule by brute force, into perpetual tribal warfare of prehistorical savages.
"The use of physical force—even its retaliatory use—cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens. Peaceful coexistence is impossible if a man has to live under the constant threat of force to be unleashed against him by any of his neighbors at any moment. Whether his neighbors’ intentions are good or bad, whether their judgment is rational or irrational, whether they are motivated by a sense of justice or by ignorance or by prejudice or by malice—the use of force against one man cannot be left to the arbitrary decision of another."
-- Ayn Rand; from 'The Virtue of Selfishness'

I agree, conservatives are realists, that's why we call utopian socialism, anarchy, because it's bad, yet liberals on this board think we are anarchists and want no government.....

Perhaps one get's that impression from all the George Zimmerman fanboys.

He's a democrat what does he have to do with anarchy?

 

[Ravi]

You make anarchy sound exactly like communism. Both are due to fail in the long run. Why do you hate America?

 

[buckeye45_73]

You make anarchy sound exactly like communism. Both are due to fail in the long run. Why do you hate America?

who is that directed to?

 

[editec]

It IS possible for a people to live productively without an overarching government, that is true.

And that society can thrive until some bully or other people come along which decides it wants what those people have.

 

[Oddball]

It IS possible for a people to live productively without an overarching government, that is true.

And that society can thrive until some bully or other people come along which decides it wants what those people have.

As often as not, that bully is gubmint.

 

[Oddball]

I agree, conservatives are realists, that's why we call utopian socialism, anarchy, because it's bad, yet liberals on this board think we are anarchists and want no government.....

Perhaps one get's that impression from all the George Zimmerman fanboys.

He's a democrat what does he have to do with anarchy?

Democrats are for a different brand of anarchy....Anarchy via bureaucracy.

 

[FA_Q2]

You make anarchy sound exactly like communism. Both are due to fail in the long run. Why do you hate America?

who is that directed to?

Its ravi – she just needs to ask everyone the same bullshit question: why do you hate America…

I tire of that asinine statement. Tell us Ravi – Why do YOU hate America? Then we can talk about why you keep asking everyone that loaded question.

 

[editec]

It IS possible for a people to live productively without an overarching government, that is true.

And that society can thrive until some bully or other people come along which decides it wants what those people have.

As often as not, that bully is gubmint.

Yes that IS true, without doubt, Odd.

In fact, it is not too much of a stretch to suggest that government is the bully that people put up with because sans a government they fear that even worse BULLIES will come along.

And they're right in most cases, too.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In some cases people will step up, but not all initiative will be good:

"If a society provided no organized protection against force, it would compel every citizen to go about armed, to turn his home into a fortress, to shoot any strangers approaching his door—or to join a protective gang of citizens who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of that society into the chaos of gang-rule, i.e., rule by brute force, into perpetual tribal warfare of prehistorical savages.
"The use of physical force—even its retaliatory use—cannot be left at the discretion of individual citizens. Peaceful coexistence is impossible if a man has to live under the constant threat of force to be unleashed against him by any of his neighbors at any moment. Whether his neighbors’ intentions are good or bad, whether their judgment is rational or irrational, whether they are motivated by a sense of justice or by ignorance or by prejudice or by malice—the use of force against one man cannot be left to the arbitrary decision of another."
-- Ayn Rand; from 'The Virtue of Selfishness'

Interesting quote. Tell me something, given the fact that you hate Rand, and I have never mentioned her other than in response to people who quote her, why use it? Is it because you can't actually come up with your own argument, or are you just lazy?

By the way, did you read the part of the article that is talking about how the private sector stepped up and bought DPD some new cars? Want to bet that they whether they got a better deal than the city would have?