And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Married couples have 1,138 federal rights, protections and responsibilities such as:


  • Social Security benefits upon death, disability or retirement of spouse, as well as benefits for minor children.
  • Family and Medical Leave protections to care for a new child or a sick or injured family member
  • Workers' Compensation protections for the family of a worker injured on the job
  • Access to COBRA insurance benefits so the family doesn't lose health insurance when one spouse is laid off
  • ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act) protections such as the ability to leave a pension, other than Social Security, to your spouse
  • Exemptions from penalties on IRA and pension rollovers
  • Exemptions from estate taxes when a spouse dies
  • Exemptions from federal income taxes on spouse's health insurance
  • The right to visit a sick or injured loved one, have a say in life and death matters during hospitalization. LINK

I suspect you knew this though.

Those are not rights. What is wrong with you people who argue stuff and you don't even know the definition of rights? Here is a very, very easy challenge for you. Show me where heterosexual marriage is defined as a right. Show me where a right requires a license.

What you side is doing with the wrong use of the word right is being disingenuous. You want it to be a right then there can be no argument against. But marriage IS NOT A
RIGHT.


Liberals are like a poker player who ever so often reaches over to the person next to him and takes chips because it isn't fair that the other player is a better poker player.
SCOTUS has ruled Marriage is a Fundamental Right.
Loving v Virginia:

FindLaw | Cases and Codes


Zablocki v. Redhail

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Turner v. Safley

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

There's more, if you like.
 
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And, the most recent ruling from Virginia, drew upon Loving v Virginia.

"Crowds gathered as oral arguments got underway Tuesday morning in the case of Bostic v. Rainey. The case challenges Virginia’s amendment that bans same-sex marriage.


In 2006, 57 percent of Virginians voted in favor of the Virginia Marriage Amendment that defined marriage as only between a man and a woman.


Inside the courthouse



Ted Olson and David Boies presented the plaintiffs’ side.


Olson said Virginia, “erects a wall around gay and lesbian citizens.” He added that marriage is a fundamental right of an individual, and not of the state, citing previous Supreme Court rulings. Boise asked what motivates the supporters of the ban other than maintaining the status quo.


Newly-elected Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring announced last month, he would reverse Virginia’s stance on the issue and would not defend the amendment in court.

Virginia’s Solicitor General Stuart Raphael argued Attorney General Herring’s position in court on behalf of the Commonwealth.

Raphael said the case is legally indistinguishable from Loving v. Virginia, which overturned a ban on interracial marriage in 1967. He said the idea that there is “no traditional right to same sex marriage” is a major flaw.



Ruling could ‘change the basic concept of marriage’ in Virginia | WTVR.com
 
Usmb should create a "homo board" to discuss gay issues. Quite frankly I am tired of the subject.

You know what I do when there are dozens of threads on subjects I have no interest in? I don't click on them and comment in them. :lol:

But you still have to sort through them to find the ones that are relevant.

Courtesy....like not having this in a Gay Parade......

Wildest Gay Pride Parade Pictures - chicagotribune.com

Yeah...not only going to have a parade...but piss you off in the process.

Wow...talk about a non sequitur.

Lots of people march in gay pride parades. I did with my kids one year. We had a blast.

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Most on this board know my position on gay marriage.

That being said, I am against the federal government intervening/overriding state decisions.

We are a republic with individual states and whereas I believe the people ultimately will decide in favor of gay marriage in time in all states, until then, it should remain a state matter.
 
My wife and I have this odd little document from the state, it's a contract actually, signed by a judge. It says, Marriage License. See the problem now?

Which means what? You have a piece of paper? Big deal. Do you rely on that paper to take care of your wife after your passing or do you have other legal documents such as a will?
Nope, no Wills. Don't need them in my case. That Marriage License from the state gives me all the access I need to her estate should she die. Pretty powerful eh? And I got it, from the State for $25, and they call it a Marriage License. Now wouldn't that be a nice thing to offer to any other two adults who wanted such a thing? That seems fair right?

Yes.
 
Except states cannot override fundamental rights.

Where is marriage spelled out as a fundamental right? You are just repeating words from you democrat hand book.
Jezzez Cripes. You skipped over the posts that showed you -- just to make a fool of yourself again?

SCOTUS has ruled Marriage is a Fundamental Right.
Loving v Virginia:

FindLaw | Cases and Codes


Zablocki v. Redhail

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Turner v. Safley

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

There's more, if you like
 
Yes, the Judicial goes against the "will of the people" when the people's will violates the US Constitution. Need an example?

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Any idea when Loving v Virginia was decided? Look LOW on the graph...

WTF does that have to do with law? So what if people didn't think interracial marriage was right? And what the hell does interracial marriage has to do with gay marriage? I wonder how blacks feel about such comparisons. You do realize that when the percentage is 4 percent that is pretty much everyone, black white, liberal conservative.

Where in the US constitution do you find the right of marriage? You don't it ain't a right.

You were the one just sniveling about the tyranny of activist judges going against "the will of the people" were you not? The SCOTUS went against the "will of the people" in Loving v Virginia...by a large margin. Less than 20% of the nation approved of relationships between blacks and whites when the SCOTUS declared marriage a fundamental right. Look it up!

Do you understand the difference between approving and making it law to force people to accept something? I don't approve of homosexual sodomy but I am not for laws that keep someone from being a sodomite. I am also not for laws that say I have to accept the practice. I am not for forcing religion on you but apparently you have no problem forcing yours on everyone else.

The SCOTUS has made many a bad decision. The Dred Scott case being one, Roe vs Wade another and maybe the Loving decision.
 
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Here's some more -- Chew on this:
14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

It is well-established and crystal clear that the right to marry is a central aspect of the right to liberty, privacy, association, and identity.
Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. In these cases, the Court has reaffirmed that “freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage” is “one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause,” “essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men,” and “sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”


Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

  1. Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”
  2. Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.
  3. Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”
  4. Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”
  5. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
  6. Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”
  7. Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
  8. Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
  9. Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
    [*]Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
    [*]Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”
    [*]Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
    [*]M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
    [*]Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

 
Except states cannot override fundamental rights.

Where is marriage spelled out as a fundamental right? You are just repeating words from you democrat hand book.

The fact that it isn't spelled out as a fundamental right as a union between a man and a woman is the issue.

Exactly my point. Heterosexual marriage is not a right thus the states should be able to regulate the institution of marriage. Much like they do drivers license. Driving isn't a right and neither is marriage. We are bastardizing the word right.
 
WTF does that have to do with law? So what if people didn't think interracial marriage was right? And what the hell does interracial marriage has to do with gay marriage? I wonder how blacks feel about such comparisons. You do realize that when the percentage is 4 percent that is pretty much everyone, black white, liberal conservative.

Where in the US constitution do you find the right of marriage? You don't it ain't a right.

You were the one just sniveling about the tyranny of activist judges going against "the will of the people" were you not? The SCOTUS went against the "will of the people" in Loving v Virginia...by a large margin. Less than 20% of the nation approved of relationships between blacks and whites when the SCOTUS declared marriage a fundamental right. Look it up!

Do you understand the difference between approving and making it law to force people to accept something? I don't approve of homosexual sodomy but I am not for laws that keep someone from being a butt pirate. I am also not for laws that say I have to accept the practice. I am not for forcing religion on you but apparently you have no problem forcing yours on everyone else.

The SCOTUS has made many a bad decision. The Dred Scott case being one, Roe vs Wade another and maybe the Loving decision.
Wow.

You think laws banning mixed-race marriages should still be legal??

Even couching it with maybe...

Just Wow wow.
 
Gay "Marriage" is nothing more than trying to punish the church by using a word.

Other than that it is all smoke and mirrors.

Well of course there is the money aspect to grab their partners Social Security after they die.
Punished huh? Tell us, do you get a marriage license at a church?

Obviously, what reason would two non-believers have for attending an organization they don't tolerate or share in its values? As if to say they need to seek the approval of a God they believe doesn't exist? They had established marriage licenses from judges of the state, when our nation came to the conclusion that a church's views or opinions on marriage no longer mattered to them. When this is followed by an overwhelming view from society which no longer "values" the institution of marriage between any two people as a whole, it's hard to keep such infestation from also bringing its influence onto the church through divorce. In fact I would not be surprised if you can find a good Elvis impersonator to perform a marriage ceremony in Vegas, if that's an indication towards the value many have associated with regards to a marriage license these days.
 
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Here's some more -- Chew on this:
14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

It is well-established and crystal clear that the right to marry is a central aspect of the right to liberty, privacy, association, and identity.
Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. In these cases, the Court has reaffirmed that “freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage” is “one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause,” “essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men,” and “sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”


Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

  1. Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”
  2. Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.
  3. Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”
  4. Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”
  5. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
  6. Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”
  7. Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
  8. Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
  9. Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
    [*]Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
    [*]Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”
    [*]Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
    [*]M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
    [*]Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights



Yes, and most of them deal with the definition of marriage when they ruled, which was and always has been between a man and woman, not directly related.

Judges have been wrong, such as the Dred Scott ruling.

What would be nice is if you would point me to the document that states that Marriage is a right. Not a ruling from a judge but something like the Bill of Rights.
 
....What would be nice is if you would point me to the document that states that Marriage is a right. Not a ruling from a judge but something like the Bill of Rights.
Oh brother.

:rolleyes:

<just shaking my head>
 
Where is marriage spelled out as a fundamental right? You are just repeating words from you democrat hand book.

The fact that it isn't spelled out as a fundamental right as a union between a man and a woman is the issue.

Exactly my point. Heterosexual marriage is not a right thus the states should be able to regulate the institution of marriage. Much like they do drivers license. Driving isn't a right and neither is marriage. We are bastardizing the word right.

the state can deny you the privilege to drive. The state can not deny two consenting heterosexual adults from marrying. So if that is the case, there is a legitimate argument as to why it is unjust to deny two consenting homosexual adults from marrying.

Now, as a conservative, if you can tell me how two men/women marrying will affect your life, then there is an argument......but if it doesn't affect your life, then, as a conservative, why should you care?

Sure, I respect the religious rights position that it interferes with their religious definition of marriage...although I do not agree....but I am not religious so it is not fair for me to say they are wrong in their thinking.

But for true conservatives that are not ideological from a religious standpoint, I do not understand the argument....for true conservatives should not care what their neighbor does as long as it does not interfere with their own lives.

My position. You will not change it.
 

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