And now, the TRUTH: Archer's actual testimony--Hunter may have sold sizzle, but no steak.

[Rigby5]

Biden’s vacation home is in Delaware for god sakes.

Biden has 2 vacation homes in Delaware, 1 in Wilmington, and 1 in the Catoctin Mountains.
There likely are several others kept secret.

 

[MarcATL]

we shall see .. remember the right has only had control of the house fore a few months !

Hunter has been under investigation since the Trump Administration.

So we're talking, what, five or so years now?

The MAGATs have failed to produce an ounce of crime.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC #TheGOPIsAJoke

 

[yidnar]

Hunter has been under investigation since the Trump Administration.

So we're talking, what, five or so years now?

lol ! the dims controlled the house ! so congress was not investigating the Bidens ! big difference ! in a few weeks you are going to be scrambling for excuses worse than you are now ! are you going to vote for Newsom [ an elite white male] instead of of the 1st Black female VP when your party sidesteps her in favor of said elitist white male ?

 

[Rigby5]

According to the MAGAT's recent talking point, Communist China is America's number one enemy and anyone even remotely associated to them should be ostrasized, feathered and jailed.

Why are you ignoring the Commie connection to the GOP?

China was never really communist, and all that pretense went away about 30 years ago.
Now the problem with China is they are stealing all our technology and under cutting our prices.
China has never been more capitalist.
And capitalism is the real threat, not communism.
If China were communist, we could ignore them.

 

[Rigby5]

Hunter has been under investigation since the Trump Administration.

So we're talking, what, five or so years now?

The MAGATs have failed to produce an ounce of crime.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC #TheGOPIsAJoke

Wrong.
There has never been any investigation of Hunter at all, because that would have to be done in the Ukraine, and the Obama administration ensured that could never happen.
They had all those capable of investigating, killed or exiled.

 

[MarcATL]

China was never really communist, and all that pretense went away about 30 years ago.
Now the problem with China is they are stealing all our technology and under cutting our prices.
China has never been more capitalist.
And capitalism is the real threat, not communism.
If China were communist, we could ignore them.

Folks, do you see how quickly I make a GOPer dance and do a 180?

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC @TheGOPIsAJoke

 

[MarcATL]

Wrong.
There has never been any investigation of Hunter at all, because that would have to be done in the Ukraine, and the Obama administration ensured that could never happen.
They had all those capable of investigating, killed or exiled.

Well, it was started by a Trump-appointee.

Why was he not able to find any crimes?

 

[Rumpole]

Obviously Joe was the one who was taking over the Ukraine with the Maidan military coup, and Hunter was just the bagman carrying the cash to the military officers, and the kickbacks in return back to Joe.
The criminal Maidan revolt would never have happened without massive criminal bribes from the US and EU.
Otherwise Biden would not have illegally withheld aid to the Ukraine, illegally demanded the firing of Shokin, (a protected civil servant), and would not have illegally started arming the Ukraine.

Your claim is factually inaccurate and speculative, reflecting a misunderstanding or misuse of the events surrounding Joe Biden's vice presidency and the political situation in Ukraine.

1. Involvement in the Maidan military coup: Joe Biden, as Vice President under President Obama, did not "take over" Ukraine or orchestrate the Maidan protests. The protests were a response to the Ukrainian government's decision not to sign an association agreement with the EU, and were driven by internal political factors within Ukraine, not external influence from Biden or the US government. It's important to note that while the US has a history of involvement in foreign affairs, the claim that Biden personally orchestrated a coup is not substantiated by any credible evidence.
2. Hunter Biden's role: Hunter Biden did serve on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, during this time period, and this has been a point of controversy. However, there is no credible evidence to suggest that he was involved in any kind of "cash carrying" to military officers or was part of any criminal bribes from the US and EU. The assumption presented in this text is highly speculative and not supported by facts.
3. Biden withholding aid: Biden did push for the dismissal of Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, but this was in line with the policy of several Western countries, including the EU, which believed Shokin was not doing enough to root out corruption in Ukraine. Biden's threat to withhold aid unless Shokin was fired was an example of leveraging foreign aid for diplomatic purposes, a common practice in international relations.
4. Arming Ukraine: The US did provide non-lethal aid to Ukraine after Russia's annexation of Crimea and the start of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, but this decision was made at a national level, and not solely by Biden. The claim that this was illegal is incorrect; the US, as a sovereign country, has the right to provide aid to other countries. The issue of whether it was morally right or wrong, however, is a matter of debate.

Next time I suggest you offer verifiable facts and not engage in unfounded speculation.

 

[Rumpole]

sooooo ... all those foreign wealthy oligarchs are just stupid inexperienced marks ripe for swindling eh ? yeah pal keep telling yourself that crap !

The amount Burisma paid Hunter for his 'brand' is a drop in the bucket to the profits earned by a international company.

He didn't swindle anyone, just traded off of his father's name, which is legal. They got what they paid for, the Biden name.

 

[Rumpole]

You act like makes it ok…odd

What Hunter did was unseemly, but not illegal, and nothing in the transcript implicates Joe.

 

[Rumpole]

as usual,, this troll throws up a BS thread and then runs away,,,

Not a valid counter argument.

 

[struth]

What Hunter did was unseemly, but not illegal, and nothing in the transcript implicates Joe.

Haha sure nothing illegal about selling influence…that most be why his father and his lawyers tried to get him immunity

 

[Rumpole]

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That personal letter from Joey Xi to Devon Archer puts a crimp into te business or no business dealings of Joey Xi with Hunter.

post the letter, please

 

[Rumpole]

Haha sure nothing illegal about selling influence…that most be why his father and his lawyers tried to get him immunity

No influence was sold.

 

[Rumpole]

whether it be a sizzle or a steak he still sold it,,

apparently you are metaphor challenged.

 

[Meathead]

It was MAGA trash last hope to hurt Hunter, they failed miserably ...

Yes, this all has done wonders for Joe and the integrity of the Biden brand.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Already refuted. The willingness of simpletons like you to repeat failed propaganda isn’t even surprising anymore, Adam_Clayton_Joke.

And of course conservatives will continue to propagate those ridiculous, baseless lies in a dishonest attempt to deflect from Trump’s corruption and crimes.

 

[westwall]

We now have the transcripts of Archer's testimony, here.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf

Starting on page 102 of the Hearing involving Devon Archer's testimony: Lines staring
with the letter A, (for Answer) are Archer's testimony/answers to questions which are the heart of what this hearing is all about, whether or not any real access was 'sold', or whether or not foreign policy was affected by Hunter's presence on the board of Burisma, or whether or not Joe Biden benefited, financially, from Hunter Biden's presence on the Board, or whether or not Archer was aware of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden, etc.

On the issue of the 'Joe calling in on speakerphone" on page 41, Archer states:

I think you have to understand that there was no business conversation about a cap table or a fee or anything like that. It was, you know, just general niceties and, you know, conversation in general, you know, about the geography, about the weather, whatever it may be.

I'm sorry to report to you Republicans, but, although it is clear that Hunter leveraged his dad's 'Brand', he did it entirely independently of his father, and the calls from Joe did not prove Joe involved himself in his son's deals, it seems clear to me that this is Hunter just showing off to his associates who is father is, and the spectacle of having the Vice President of the United States 'call in'.

In short, Hunter sold sizzle, but no steak.

Is that illegal? he can allude to steak, i.e.,, the 'illusion of access' as it was referred to in another thread, but I don't think that is illegal. And if it is, I don't care because there is NOTHING on Joe here that proves any wrongdoing.

Hunter is a private citizen, and that's the end of it..

The worst you got on Hunter is a FARA violation. But FARA violations are not proof of corruption, it's a process crime.

Transcript, starting on page 102, noting that Biden's getting Ukraine to fire Shokin, that issue was dealt with, towards the end of this OP,

Q At the conclusion of that investigation, Senate minority staff issued a report summarizing the findings. And I'd like to read those for you.

"Every witness interviewed for this investigation testified that Vice President Biden did not alter United States foreign policy to benefit his son Hunter Biden, and that Hunter Biden's presence on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy. Every witness stated that Hunter Biden and his associates had no role in the formulation of U.S. policy, that Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions, and that Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States. The investigation's evidence, set forth in this Minority report, confirms there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part of" the Vice President."

Having read that for you, I have a few questions for you based on your own knowledge and experience. So based on your own knowledge and experience -- your relationship with Hunter Biden, your time on Burisma's board, and the entirety of your knowledge and experience -- do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that, quote, "Vice President Biden did not alter U.S. foreign policy to benefit his son Hunter Biden"?

A I have no basis to know if he altered. I have no basis to know if he altered policy to benefit his son.

Q So you have no knowledge --

A I have no knowledge. Sorry.

Q -- of him --

A Yes, I have no knowledge.

Q -- altering U.S. policy to benefit his son.

A I have no knowledge.

Q You -- do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Hunter Biden's presence on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy"?

A Not directly. You mean like making laws? I don't -- I don't think so.

Mr. Goldman. Foreign policy.

Mr. Archer. No -- no -- no on foreign policy.

Q No basis to disagree with that conclusion.

A No.

Q Do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions"?

A I have -- yeah, I have no basis.

Q Do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States"?

A I have no basis to judge.

Q Or to disagree with that.

A Or disagree.

Q You have no knowledge -- nothing based on your knowledge or experience contradicts this conclusion.

A No.

Q Does anything in your knowledge or experience contradict the conclusion that "there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part of Vice President Biden"?

A I have no basis to know.

Q The report also found, quote, "No --"

Mr. Goldman. I'm sorry. You have no basis to know or is that a no?

Mr. Archer. I have -- I have -- I would have no idea.

Mr. Goldman. No basis --

Mr. Schwartz. Are you aware of any wrongdoing by Vice President Biden?

Mr. Archer. No, I'm not aware of any.

Q So based on your knowledge and experience, you have no evidence that would contradict any of these conclusions I just read.

A No.

Q The report also found, quote, "No evidence that any action of the U.S. Government or any U.S. official was taken to benefit Burisma or Hunter Biden." Do you have any evidence or knowledge that contradicts this conclusion?

A No.

Q So based on everything you saw, heard, and observed, did you have any knowledge of Joe Biden having any involvement with Burisma?

A No -- not direct, no.

Q No involvement of Joe --

A No.

And on the issue of Biden getting Ukraine to fire Shokin:

Q And so this goes to this idea that Shokin, who was prosecutor general in 24 2015, was good for Burisma.

A Uh-huh.

Q Is that fair? Now, Vice President Biden was vocal about his concerns about corruption in the prosecutor general's office in Ukraine during this time period.

A Correct.

Q And called for the removal of Shokin from office. Is that correct?

A Yes. That was very well publicized.

Q Okay. And the Senate minority report, which I referenced earlier, described how Vice President's public calls for the Ukrainian Government to remove Shokin as prosecutor general was part of an anticorruption policy of the U.S. Government with broad bipartisan support, as well as support from allies and international institutions like the EU and the International Monetary Fund. Do you agree with that conclusion?

A Sorry. Can you repeat that?

Q Yeah. The Vice President's public calls for the removal of Shokin was part of this broad bipartisan, international anticorruption effort in Ukraine.

A Yes, I believe that was -- that was part of the conversation.

Q so do you have any basis to believe that Vice President Biden's call for
Shokin's removal was driven by anything other than the U.S. Government's anticorruption
policy in Ukraine?

A Yeah, I have no -- I have no other -- I have no proof or thought that he fired him for that reason.

Q You have no reason to believe otherwise?

A I have no reason to believe.


Sorry, there simply is no wrongdoing evidenced in this testimony regarding our president, Joe Biden. I look forward to Hunter's testimony. I'm confident it will be similar, and all you Republicans, for all the accusations, 'Biden Crime Family" Bribed Joe this, Bribed Joe that, all of you will have a tank load of EGG on your faces.

In truth, what is really going on here is a massive witch hunt in order to thwart attention away from Trump's indictments, and he will have a total of 4, no doubt, very soon. I can't help that your guy is a real criminal and ours is not, perhaps you should vote for a decent human being instead of a crook.

That's on you.

We KNOW the influence was sold, and not just the sizzle, because IT KEPT BEING PAID FOR!

No one pays for sizzle.

Bootlicking retard, you are.

 

[struth]

No influence was sold.

That’s not what the testimony was. And yes Joey was implicated…the Big Guy was on the calls

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC #TheGOPIsAJoke

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Instead of talking about why it's scared, it throws meaningless memes.

I doubt it's less scared now, but when you're out of ammo you start picking up rocks.





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