And when only the police have guns....and decide the cartels pay better..they kill innocent people..

[Brain357]

From the other piece....

If you want to know what researchers think about gun control, simply read their research. Yet, Hemenway is right on one point: on questions such as concealed carry laws, the debate is as good as over. The vast majority of studies show that these laws reduce crime. And there are no refereed journal articles by economists or criminologists claiming that concealed handgun permits increase murder, rape or robbery.

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

 

[2aguy]

From the other piece....

If you want to know what researchers think about gun control, simply read their research. Yet, Hemenway is right on one point: on questions such as concealed carry laws, the debate is as good as over. The vast majority of studies show that these laws reduce crime. And there are no refereed journal articles by economists or criminologists claiming that concealed handgun permits increase murder, rape or robbery.

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

 

[2aguy]

And here is another take down of the hack hemenway...who has now crossed the line from just partisan research to hack researcher trying to silence the debate since he can't win it with actual research.....

Everyone Is Entitled To His Own Opinion But Not His Own Facts - The Truth About Guns

 

[2aguy]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

 

[Brain357]

From the other piece....

If you want to know what researchers think about gun control, simply read their research. Yet, Hemenway is right on one point: on questions such as concealed carry laws, the debate is as good as over. The vast majority of studies show that these laws reduce crime. And there are no refereed journal articles by economists or criminologists claiming that concealed handgun permits increase murder, rape or robbery.

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

Been like 3 years now for wisconsin. Violent crime up not down.

 

[Brain357]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

Yes people who want to sell more guns don't like him. I get it.

 

[2aguy]

From the other piece....

If you want to know what researchers think about gun control, simply read their research. Yet, Hemenway is right on one point: on questions such as concealed carry laws, the debate is as good as over. The vast majority of studies show that these laws reduce crime. And there are no refereed journal articles by economists or criminologists claiming that concealed handgun permits increase murder, rape or robbery.

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

Been like 3 years now for wisconsin. Violent crime up not down.

Takes at least 5....and 5% of the population needs to start carrying....as well as publishing accounts of defensive gun uses.......to let the thugs know victims can now fight back.....and then it also helps to have enough police...which neither Milwaukee or Chicago have....and where most of the gun violence....comitted by gangs and drug runners occurs......

 

[2aguy]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

Yes people who want to sell more guns don't like him. I get it.

And exactly what gun store do these guys own..........and considering hemenway's ties to gun grabber groups like the former Hand Gun Control Inc. I'm sure that doesn't effect his research......

Hemenway is a hack....he hates guns and uses his research to advocate getting rid of guns........

he even disputes your fake number on the defensive use of guns.....

 

[Brain357]

From the other piece....

If you want to know what researchers think about gun control, simply read their research. Yet, Hemenway is right on one point: on questions such as concealed carry laws, the debate is as good as over. The vast majority of studies show that these laws reduce crime. And there are no refereed journal articles by economists or criminologists claiming that concealed handgun permits increase murder, rape or robbery.

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

Been like 3 years now for wisconsin. Violent crime up not down.

Takes at least 5....and 5% of the population needs to start carrying....as well as publishing accounts of defensive gun uses.......to let the thugs know victims can now fight back.....and then it also helps to have enough police...which neither Milwaukee or Chicago have....and where most of the gun violence....comitted by gangs and drug runners occurs......

Yet you were claiming victory in Chicago till violence went way up. You will wait till crime goes down then claim victory. But it going down has nothing to do with concealed carry.

 

[Brain357]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

Yes people who want to sell more guns don't like him. I get it.

And exactly what gun store do these guys own..........and considering hemenway's ties to gun grabber groups like the former Hand Gun Control Inc. I'm sure that doesn't effect his research......

Hemenway is a hack....he hates guns and uses his research to advocate getting rid of guns........

he even disputes your fake number on the defensive use of guns.....

I'm sure all the other scientists are too right? All for science and studies till they disagree with you. Kinda funny.

 

[2aguy]

And here you go again.....some actual research on the topic....

A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[Brain357]

And here you go again.....some actual research on the topic....

A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

But in the real world violent crime up in Chicago and Wisconsin.

 

[2aguy]

From the other piece....

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

Been like 3 years now for wisconsin. Violent crime up not down.

Takes at least 5....and 5% of the population needs to start carrying....as well as publishing accounts of defensive gun uses.......to let the thugs know victims can now fight back.....and then it also helps to have enough police...which neither Milwaukee or Chicago have....and where most of the gun violence....comitted by gangs and drug runners occurs......

Yet you were claiming victory in Chicago till violence went way up. You will wait till crime goes down then claim victory. But it going down has nothing to do with concealed carry.

I have always pointed out that it takes about 5 years and 5% of the population to get the crime rate down due to concealed carry......plus it has to permeate the criminal underworld that victims can fight back.....

 

[2aguy]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

Yes people who want to sell more guns don't like him. I get it.

And exactly what gun store do these guys own..........and considering hemenway's ties to gun grabber groups like the former Hand Gun Control Inc. I'm sure that doesn't effect his research......

Hemenway is a hack....he hates guns and uses his research to advocate getting rid of guns........

he even disputes your fake number on the defensive use of guns.....

I'm sure all the other scientists are too right? All for science and studies till they disagree with you. Kinda funny.

hemenway has been shown to be an actual hack, as has kellerman and donahue....they are rabid anti gunners and don't do actual research......

Kleck....started out as an anti gunner...till he did his research...

Lott.....neutral on the subject but leaned toward an anti gun stance....before he did his research.....

 

[Brain357]

Yet violent crime is up in wisconsin and Chicago after gettng comcealed carry. Looks like this studies are bad. I do agree with the last part though.

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

Been like 3 years now for wisconsin. Violent crime up not down.

Takes at least 5....and 5% of the population needs to start carrying....as well as publishing accounts of defensive gun uses.......to let the thugs know victims can now fight back.....and then it also helps to have enough police...which neither Milwaukee or Chicago have....and where most of the gun violence....comitted by gangs and drug runners occurs......

Yet you were claiming victory in Chicago till violence went way up. You will wait till crime goes down then claim victory. But it going down has nothing to do with concealed carry.

I have always pointed out that it takes about 5 years and 5% of the population to get the crime rate down due to concealed carry......plus it has to permeate the criminal underworld that victims can fight back.....

Then why did you claim victory in Chicago? Is that how long it takes policing to bring it down? What pro gun people created that claim?

 

[Brain357]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

Yes people who want to sell more guns don't like him. I get it.

And exactly what gun store do these guys own..........and considering hemenway's ties to gun grabber groups like the former Hand Gun Control Inc. I'm sure that doesn't effect his research......

Hemenway is a hack....he hates guns and uses his research to advocate getting rid of guns........

he even disputes your fake number on the defensive use of guns.....

I'm sure all the other scientists are too right? All for science and studies till they disagree with you. Kinda funny.

hemenway has been shown to be an actual hack, as has kellerman and donahue....they are rabid anti gunners and don't do actual research......

Kleck....started out as an anti gunner...till he did his research...

Lott.....neutral on the subject but leaned toward an anti gun stance....before he did his research.....

Kleck and Lott are clearly wrong.

 

[2aguy]

And here you go again.....some actual research on the topic....

A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

But in the real world violent crime up in Chicago and Wisconsin.

And both milwaukee and chicago are disasterously short of police.....Chicago is down 2,000 officers, and milwaukee is down over 240 plus forcing their officers to do massive overtime to make up for it.......

Lott himself always points out police are the biggest factor in crime deterrence.....but...studies show concealed carry can lower the interpersona crime rate about 3-5% once it reaches saturation levels.....

 

[2aguy]

And this take down...of the hack hemenway....

Debunked Harvard Researcher Cites Sociology Experts to Claim More Guns Equal More Crime - Breitbart

How can Hemenway make such a claim in light of decades of Kleck’s work proving otherwise and in light of the fact that Hemenway’s earlier attempts to disprove Kleck were themselves debunked? The answer is simple: He does not rely on first-hand accounts but on articles written by “experts” in the fields of “public health, public policy, sociology, and criminology.”


He also polled these “experts” and found that “73 percent” of them reject the assertion that “guns are used in self-defense far more more often than they are used in crime.” (Only “8 percent” agreed with the assertion.)


Here’s a problem: this research methodology fails to do the one thing that must done if research on the relation between guns, crime, and defensive gun uses is to be accurate; namely, it fails to talk to real gun owners who may or may not have had to use guns to save their lives or the life of another while under criminal attack. Instead of doing this, Hemenway asked “experts” what they think.


An overwhelming number of these same “experts” told Hemenway a gun in the home makes the home a “more dangerous” place to be. However, in November 2014, Breitbart News reported a Gallup Poll that shows the findings are far different, when you ask average Americans this same question. In that poll, Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it said a gun makes the home safer by a margin of more than six out of ten.


Similarly, Hemenway’s experts tell him that more gun control–in the form of more background checks–is desirable because it will reduce crime. Yet a PEW Research Poll reported on December 10 shows that Americans who live it rather than pontificate about it are more concerned with defending gun rights than passing more gun control.

Yes people who want to sell more guns don't like him. I get it.

And exactly what gun store do these guys own..........and considering hemenway's ties to gun grabber groups like the former Hand Gun Control Inc. I'm sure that doesn't effect his research......

Hemenway is a hack....he hates guns and uses his research to advocate getting rid of guns........

he even disputes your fake number on the defensive use of guns.....

I'm sure all the other scientists are too right? All for science and studies till they disagree with you. Kinda funny.

hemenway has been shown to be an actual hack, as has kellerman and donahue....they are rabid anti gunners and don't do actual research......

Kleck....started out as an anti gunner...till he did his research...

Lott.....neutral on the subject but leaned toward an anti gun stance....before he did his research.....

Kleck and Lott are clearly wrong.

You mean other than the fact that all of the research shows they are right.....

 

[Brain357]

And here you go again.....some actual research on the topic....

A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

But in the real world violent crime up in Chicago and Wisconsin.

And both milwaukee and chicago are disasterously short of police.....Chicago is down 2,000 officers, and milwaukee is down over 240 plus forcing their officers to do massive overtime to make up for it.......

Lott himself always points out police are the biggest factor in crime deterrence.....but...studies show concealed carry can lower the interpersona crime rate about 3-5% once it reaches saturation levels.....

When it goes down it will be from policing yes.

 

[2aguy]

Please....they just got concealed carry and in both states the democrats in charge of the cities with the most gun murders have under funded, and under staffed their police forces.......

and on top of that ......all the other parts of the country also have carry laws and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....that is a fact.....as well as accidental gun deaths are going down, not up as more people buy and own guns.......

Been like 3 years now for wisconsin. Violent crime up not down.

Takes at least 5....and 5% of the population needs to start carrying....as well as publishing accounts of defensive gun uses.......to let the thugs know victims can now fight back.....and then it also helps to have enough police...which neither Milwaukee or Chicago have....and where most of the gun violence....comitted by gangs and drug runners occurs......

Yet you were claiming victory in Chicago till violence went way up. You will wait till crime goes down then claim victory. But it going down has nothing to do with concealed carry.

I have always pointed out that it takes about 5 years and 5% of the population to get the crime rate down due to concealed carry......plus it has to permeate the criminal underworld that victims can fight back.....

Then why did you claim victory in Chicago? Is that how long it takes policing to bring it down? What pro gun people created that claim?

And of course Chicago is the one place in the state making it hard for people to use their permits......we have had two well published attacks on trains.....you can't carry a gun on any public transportation in Chicago...so the criminals know where to look for victims......