pinqy
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Did you not read your own source:but you didn't show that for the unemployment number.You didn't show the changes were intended to or did "downgrade" the unemployment numbers.The [January] 1994 redesign a number of changes made to the questionnaire and overall survey methodology affected the measure of employment, unemployment, and persons not in the labor force; and second, several definitional changes were introduced, employed part-time for economic reasons. The figure was sharply lower under the redesigned survey, as respondents were explicitly asked about their desire and availability for full-time work. …
So once again the far left made changes in order to downgrade the unemployment numbers and it has been that way since 1994.
Your only example was part time for economic reasons. So let's look at that: why do you think those changes in definition were bad?
All I had to show that it was more than some wording changes that meant nothing, like you posted and I did.
The important part is which is more accurate." The figure was sharply lower under the redesigned survey."
Just deal with the fact that it got changed and on the lower side.
And was that justified or not?Considerable tightening of the requirements for discouraged worker status reduced the number of persons so classified by about half. …
Ah, so the actual unemployment rate was made HIGHER under the changes.Effects on indicator U-5 [which became U-3 in the new numbering system] … the official unemployment rate … marginally higher - an estimated 0.2 percentage point - under the redesigned CPS
well, of course... The U-7 included part time for economic reasons and discouraged.… effects on indicator U-7 [the most comprehensive, roughly corresponding to U-6 now] … markedly higher in the old survey than under the new one.
I'm hardly the far left..I voted McCain and Romney.Once again the far left goes down in flames..
But you claim was that the changes were intended to make the unemployment rate lower, but your source shows it actually went up after the changes.
No it shows it went down based on what we use today.
The official rate was made worse.Effects on indicator U-5 [which became U-3 in the new numbering system] … the official unemployment rate … marginally higher - an estimated 0.2 percentage point - under the redesigned CPS
Well, yeah. I d on' t know w by you think that's important."under the redesigned CPS … effects on indicator U-7 [the most comprehensive, roughly corresponding to U-6 now] … markedly higher in the old survey than under the new one."
[Quoute]And you are far left if you believe that it is higher now than before 1994. It is shown from the BLS site itself that is lower based ion the new rules being used..[/quote]
What is the "it?" Of course the U-6 would be lower than the old U-7. Who says otherwise?
The official rate, on the other hand, was higher due to the changes.
The official rate was lower. Are you claiming that was intentional?The old survey was higher than the new one. What does that mean? The new is lower than the old one by design.
What is between 10 an 15%?Here is the real unemployment numbers:
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It looks like it is between 10 and 15%..
but you didn't show that for the unemployment number.You didn't show the changes were intended to or did "downgrade" the unemployment numbers.The [January] 1994 redesign a number of changes made to the questionnaire and overall survey methodology affected the measure of employment, unemployment, and persons not in the labor force; and second, several definitional changes were introduced, employed part-time for economic reasons. The figure was sharply lower under the redesigned survey, as respondents were explicitly asked about their desire and availability for full-time work. …
So once again the far left made changes in order to downgrade the unemployment numbers and it has been that way since 1994.
Your only example was part time for economic reasons. So let's look at that: why do you think those changes in definition were bad?
All I had to show that it was more than some wording changes that meant nothing, like you posted and I did.
The important part is which is more accurate." The figure was sharply lower under the redesigned survey."
Just deal with the fact that it got changed and on the lower side.
And was that justified or not?Considerable tightening of the requirements for discouraged worker status reduced the number of persons so classified by about half. …
Effects on indicator U-5 [which became U-3 in the
but you didn't show that for the unemployment number.You didn't show the changes were intended to or did "downgrade" the unemployment numbers.The [January] 1994 redesign a number of changes made to the questionnaire and overall survey methodology affected the measure of employment, unemployment, and persons not in the labor force; and second, several definitional changes were introduced, employed part-time for economic reasons. The figure was sharply lower under the redesigned survey, as respondents were explicitly asked about their desire and availability for full-time work. …
So once again the far left made changes in order to downgrade the unemployment numbers and it has been that way since 1994.
Your only example was part time for economic reasons. So let's look at that: why do you think those changes in definition were bad?
All I had to show that it was more than some wording changes that meant nothing, like you posted and I did.
The important part is which is more accurate." The figure was sharply lower under the redesigned survey."
Just deal with the fact that it got changed and on the lower side.
And was that justified or not?Considerable tightening of the requirements for discouraged worker status reduced the number of persons so classified by about half. …
Ah, so the actual unemployment rate was made HIGHER under the changes.Effects on indicator U-5 [which became U-3 in the new numbering system] … the official unemployment rate … marginally higher - an estimated 0.2 percentage point - under the redesigned CPS
well, of course... The U-7 included part time for economic reasons and discouraged.… effects on indicator U-7 [the most comprehensive, roughly corresponding to U-6 now] … markedly higher in the old survey than under the new one.
I'm hardly the far left..I voted McCain and Romney.Once again the far left goes down in flames..
But you claim was that the changes were intended to make the unemployment rate lower, but your source shows it actually went up after the changes.
No it shows it went down based on what we use today.
"under the redesigned CPS … effects on indicator U-7 [the most comprehensive, roughly corresponding to U-6 now] … markedly higher in the old survey than under the new one."
And you are far left if you believe that it is higher now than before 1994. It is shown from the BLS site itself that is lower based ion the new rules being used..
The old survey was higher than the new one. What does that mean? The new is lower than the old one by design.
Here is the real unemployment numbers:
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It looks like it is between 10 and 15%..
Right. What does that have to do withThe unemployment rate was HIGHER, NOT LOWER after the change a new. You said you understood that part.So explain again why changes were made to intentionally m as me the unemployment rate worse? Why would "they" manipulate things to look worse?...you really have no idea what that means.
Actually yes I do, but obviously you do not..
Because that's what you're claiming.
WOW! Far left thinking at i's best so low unemployment numbers are a bad thing?
Oh my the far left is really dense today, but it is hard to beat through that programmed mantra.
"under the redesigned CPS … effects on indicator U-7 [the most comprehensive, roughly corresponding to U-6 now] … markedly higher in the old survey than under the new one."
That's speaking of the U6 rate, not the U3 rate. The U3 rate is what effective changes were to the U5 rate.The unemployment rate was HIGHER, NOT LOWER after the change a new. You said you understood that part.So explain again why changes were made to intentionally m as me the unemployment rate worse? Why would "they" manipulate things to look worse?
Because that's what you're claiming.
WOW! Far left thinking at i's best so low unemployment numbers are a bad thing?
Oh my the far left is really dense today, but it is hard to beat through that programmed mantra.
"under the redesigned CPS … effects on indicator U-7 [the most comprehensive, roughly corresponding to U-6 now] … markedly higher in the old survey than under the new one."
Once again you show the A typical far left wanting to argue just to argue because you got caught in yet another one of your far left lies.
And it all adds up to the total unemployment right? [/quot]
Wrong. They don't add up. That makes no sense