Another mass shooting. Another assault rifle

[RealDave]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Assault rifle: A fully automatic military rifle.
Doctor shot victims with: A semi-automatic rifle, not an assault rifle.
Of course, if you wish to describe the weapon as an assault rifle simply because he "assaulted" the victims with it, then you are obligated to identify all other devices used to harm people as, say: assault hammer, assault knife, assault screwdriver, assault shoe, assault rock and of course, the ever favorite....assault fist.
Example: "There was a fight at the local bar and one of the drunk assailants used his "assault fist" to cause bodily harm to the other drunk individual and the blow to the side of the victim's head caused enough trauma to cause his death."

But, the AR-15 LOOKS scary--AND it's BLACK That makes it "assault rifle."

Is that why you own one?

 

[Old Rocks]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Assault rifle: A fully automatic military rifle.
Doctor shot victims with: A semi-automatic rifle, not an assault rifle.
Of course, if you wish to describe the weapon as an assault rifle simply because he "assaulted" the victims with it, then you are obligated to identify all other devices used to harm people as, say: assault hammer, assault knife, assault screwdriver, assault shoe, assault rock and of course, the ever favorite....assault fist.
Example: "There was a fight at the local bar and one of the drunk assailants used his "assault fist" to cause bodily harm to the other drunk individual and the blow to the side of the victim's head caused enough trauma to cause his death."

But, the AR-15 LOOKS scary--AND it's BLACK That makes it "assault rifle."

No, you lying little cocksuck, it is an assault rifle because it fire 30 rounds in under 10 seconds, and be reloaded with another magazine in under 2 seconds. It was designed for only one purpose, killing human beings, and has a very good record of doing that in this nation.

 

[August West]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Do you think that the people on the receiving end of these bullets give a shit?

 

[RealDave]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Do you think that the people on the receiving end of these bullets give a shit?

I think that when the use of an assault type rifle kills 20 people instead of 5 that numbers 6 through 20 care.

 

[Boss]

You dumb ass. If you can touch off 30 rounds in under ten seconds, it is an assault rifle. And is very good for cleaning out grade school classrooms, crowded theaters, mall, and hospitals. And who the fuck hunts with these rifles? In our state, you limited to five rounds when hunting big game. Also, those rifles are far less accurate than a standard hunting rifle. I was taught to make single shot kills, not blow the animal to pieces with a 30 round clip.

But you can't... not with a semi-automatic weapon. You're talking about a fully automatic weapon, a machine gun. These haven't been legal in the US since the 1920s. If you are in the military, that's the kind of weapon you have.

But let's get back to the mowing down people in schools and theaters... do you not think that might be a problem with the individual's mental state instead of the inanimate gun? Are you so fucking stupid that you believe merely having a gun that looks bad ass makes someone want to commit mass killings with it?

And to answer your other question, lots of people do hunt with these weapons which are essentially the same as standard hunting rifles. Some people use them as range rifles for target practice. Some people collect them and never shoot them. The 2nd Amendment doesn't stipulate conditions for use. It is an "unalienable" right... means you can't alienate us from it, stupid.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The doctor is BLACK. Like Bill Clinton, he lost his job over sexual harassment.

I'm going to make a wild guess and bet he's a DEMOCRAT.

Why do THESE FOLKS always go on killing sprees?

 

[Boss]

And shove that stupid argument that there are no such thing as assault rifles.

It's a legitimate argument that you haven't refuted, asswipe.

 

[August West]

The doctor is BLACK. Like Bill Clinton, he lost his job over sexual harassment.

I'm going to make a wild guess and bet he's a DEMOCRAT.

Why do THESE FOLKS always go on killing sprees?

It`s not a wild guess that the perp here was one of those red hatted morons.
Father of road rage victim expresses anger as manhunt continues

 

[Boss]

I think that when the use of an assault type rifle kills 20 people instead of 5 that numbers 6 through 20 care.

Depends on if there is another individual on the scene with a firearm. If that's the case, the scary-looking gun may not kill anyone before the crazy person using it is shot dead. Would-be victims 1-5 would certainly care about that.

 

[Boss]

No, you lying little cocksuck, it is an assault rifle because it fire 30 rounds in under 10 seconds, and be reloaded with another magazine in under 2 seconds. It was designed for only one purpose, killing human beings, and has a very good record of doing that in this nation.

They fire no more rapidly than an automatic pistols which have been around for a century. Clips can be changed just a fast.

"Assault" is a verb... it means "to physically attack". Guns are incapable of physical actions... MORON!

A weapon that doesn't kill people is kind of pointless as a weapon. If I am defending my life or my family's lives, I prefer a weapon that is capable of killing someone.... sorry if that offends you, it's my God-given right.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another thread exists...

But you are right..if another Doctor or nurse had been armed he could have been stopped...like at this hospital...

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

Oh yeah, let us all carry guns everywhere. Church, school, grocery store, everywhere. That is the society you desire. What an asshole you are. There never was a society like that in these United States. In the old western towns, when the cowboys came in, they had to check in their guns. Not good for business to have paying customers killing each other. And the town fathers paid people like Earp and Masterson to lay a gun barrel across the head of those that tried to keep their guns.

Your gun fetish is far more repulsive than the most perverse sexual fetish. People like you are the reason the US has gun mortality rates like a third world nation.

let us all carry guns everywhere. Church, school, grocery store, everywhere.
There never was a society like that in these United States.

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George Washington’s address to the first session of the first Congress

A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.

 

[RealDave]

You dumb ass. If you can touch off 30 rounds in under ten seconds, it is an assault rifle. And is very good for cleaning out grade school classrooms, crowded theaters, mall, and hospitals. And who the fuck hunts with these rifles? In our state, you limited to five rounds when hunting big game. Also, those rifles are far less accurate than a standard hunting rifle. I was taught to make single shot kills, not blow the animal to pieces with a 30 round clip.

But you can't... not with a semi-automatic weapon. You're talking about a fully automatic weapon, a machine gun. These haven't been legal in the US since the 1920s. If you are in the military, that's the kind of weapon you have.

But let's get back to the mowing down people in schools and theaters... do you not think that might be a problem with the individual's mental state instead of the inanimate gun? Are you so fucking stupid that you believe merely having a gun that looks bad ass makes someone want to commit mass killings with it?

And to answer your other question, lots of people do hunt with these weapons which are essentially the same as standard hunting rifles. Some people use them as range rifles for target practice. Some people collect them and never shoot them. The 2nd Amendment doesn't stipulate conditions for use. It is an "unalienable" right... means you can't alienate us from it, stupid.

The NRA & Republicans said crazy people can own guns.

The Second Amendment also does not say that you can own every weapon ever made.

 

[RealDave]

No, you lying little cocksuck, it is an assault rifle because it fire 30 rounds in under 10 seconds, and be reloaded with another magazine in under 2 seconds. It was designed for only one purpose, killing human beings, and has a very good record of doing that in this nation.

They fire no more rapidly than an automatic pistols which have been around for a century. Clips can be changed just a fast.

"Assault" is a verb... it means "to physically attack". Guns are incapable of physical actions... MORON!

A weapon that doesn't kill people is kind of pointless as a weapon. If I am defending my life or my family's lives, I prefer a weapon that is capable of killing someone.... sorry if that offends you, it's my God-given right.

So,there are to assault teams? Asswipe.

 

[RealDave]

And shove that stupid argument that there are no such thing as assault rifles.

It's a legitimate argument that you haven't refuted, asswipe.

I think that when we had an assault weapons ban that it is argument enough.

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

You can remove guns but they will find another means of killing people. If a person wants to kill they will find a way. This man could have used a baseball bat,knife, bomb,chemical agent,vehicle. Timothy McVeigh and the first bombing of the WTC in 1993 were both trucks with bombs. The 2001 WTC were planes loaded with jet fuel, no gun necessary.

Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia
1993 World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia

The difference is in killing power.

Trucks & planes of other uses that killing.

This guy killed 1 person injured 5....with this rifle.

Nice, France, the guy used a truck and killed 89 people and injured 400......

The killing power of a truck is higher than that of any rifle used by an individual....

Guns save more lives than they take in this country. According to bill clinton and barak obama, guns are used 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and to stop violent criminal attack......and the majority of the time they aren't even fired.....

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another thread exists...

But you are right..if another Doctor or nurse had been armed he could have been stopped...like at this hospital...

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

Oh yeah, let us all carry guns everywhere. Church, school, grocery store, everywhere. That is the society you desire. What an asshole you are. There never was a society like that in these United States. In the old western towns, when the cowboys came in, they had to check in their guns. Not good for business to have paying customers killing each other. And the town fathers paid people like Earp and Masterson to lay a gun barrel across the head of those that tried to keep their guns.

Your gun fetish is far more repulsive than the most perverse sexual fetish. People like you are the reason the US has gun mortality rates like a third world nation.

It would be nice if you did some research before you posted.....your posts would be more intelligent.....

When law abiding people can carry guns lives are saved....even in churches...

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)

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No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another thread exists...

But you are right..if another Doctor or nurse had been armed he could have been stopped...like at this hospital...

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

Oh yeah, let us all carry guns everywhere. Church, school, grocery store, everywhere. That is the society you desire. What an asshole you are. There never was a society like that in these United States. In the old western towns, when the cowboys came in, they had to check in their guns. Not good for business to have paying customers killing each other. And the town fathers paid people like Earp and Masterson to lay a gun barrel across the head of those that tried to keep their guns.

Your gun fetish is far more repulsive than the most perverse sexual fetish. People like you are the reason the US has gun mortality rates like a third world nation.

Hey...dipshit...did you do any research into Tombstone...thought not...you are talking out of your ass....the one thing about Tombstone is how often the criminals used their guns to shoot people, including the Earps....

Here you go...read up on the actual Tombstone situation and how the criminals actually ignored the gun control laws....killing land wounding the Earps....

Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of many people who ignored Tombstone gun control....and he was a good guy....

Joyce ordered Holliday removed from the saloon but would not return Holliday's revolver. But Holliday returned carrying a double-action revolver. Milt brandished a pistol and threatened Holliday, but Holliday shot Joyce in the palm, disarming him, and then shot Joyce's business partner William Parker in the big toe

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Boyle later testified he noticed Ike was armed and covered his gun for him. Boyle later said that Ike told him, "'As soon as the Earps and Doc Holliday showed themselves on the street, the ball would open—that they would have to fight'...

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Later in the morning, Ike picked up his rifle and revolver from the West End Corral, where he had deposited his weapons and stabled his wagon and team after entering town. By noon that day, Ike was still drinking and once-again armed in violation of the city ordinance against carrying firearms in the city.

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Tom McLaury's concealed weapon[edit]

Outside the court house where Ike was being fined, Wyatt almost walked into 28 year-old Tom McLaury as the two men were brought up short nose-to-nose. Tom, who had arrived in town the day before, was required by the well-known city ordinance to deposit his pistol when he first arrived in town. When Wyatt demanded, "Are you heeled or not?", McLaury said he was not armed. Wyatt testified that he saw arevolver in plain sight on the right hip of Tom's pants

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Billy and Frank stopped first at the Grand Hotel on Allen Street, and were greeted by Doc Holliday. They learned immediately after of their brothers' beatings by the Earps within the previous two hours. The incidents had generated a lot of talk in town. Angrily, Frank said he would not drink, and he and Billy left the saloon immediately to seek Tom.

By law, both Frank and Billy should have left their firearms at the Grand Hotel. Instead, they remained fully armed.[2]:49[57]:190

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Virgil testified afterward that he thought he saw all four men, Ike Clanton, Billy Clanton, Frank McLaury, and Tom McLaury, buying cartridges.[79] Wyatt said that he saw Billy Clanton and Frank McLaury in Spangenberger's gun and hardware store on 4th Street filling theirgun belts with cartridges


Hmmmmmmmm...doesn't seem like the Tombstone gun control laws worked so far...

Virgil initially avoided a confrontation with the newly arrived Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton, who had not yet deposited their weapons at a hotel or stable as the law required.

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At about 2:30 pm he saw Ike, Frank, Tom, and Billy gathered off Fremont street. Behan attempted to persuade Frank McLaury to give up his weapons, but Frank insisted that he would only give up his guns after City Marshal Virgil Earp and his brothers were disarmed.[81]

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Citizens reported to Virgil on the Cowboys' movements that Ike and Tom had left their livery stable and returned to town while armed, in violation of the city ordinance.


Gun control only works for those who will obey the laws...law abiding citizens....so any gun control will completely fail at disarming criminals and mass shooters.

 

[jon_berzerk]

shouldnt of even happened the hospital had it clearly marked as a gun free zone

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another thread exists...

But you are right..if another Doctor or nurse had been armed he could have been stopped...like at this hospital...

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

Oh yeah, let us all carry guns everywhere. Church, school, grocery store, everywhere. That is the society you desire. What an asshole you are. There never was a society like that in these United States. In the old western towns, when the cowboys came in, they had to check in their guns. Not good for business to have paying customers killing each other. And the town fathers paid people like Earp and Masterson to lay a gun barrel across the head of those that tried to keep their guns.

Your gun fetish is far more repulsive than the most perverse sexual fetish. People like you are the reason the US has gun mortality rates like a third world nation.

And here you go...it is amazing that nothing you posted is factual, true or even remotely based in reality...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another thread exists...

But you are right..if another Doctor or nurse had been armed he could have been stopped...like at this hospital...

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.

Oh yeah, let us all carry guns everywhere. Church, school, grocery store, everywhere. That is the society you desire. What an asshole you are. There never was a society like that in these United States. In the old western towns, when the cowboys came in, they had to check in their guns. Not good for business to have paying customers killing each other. And the town fathers paid people like Earp and Masterson to lay a gun barrel across the head of those that tried to keep their guns.

Your gun fetish is far more repulsive than the most perverse sexual fetish. People like you are the reason the US has gun mortality rates like a third world nation.

Dumb shit...Britain banned guns...they have the 3rd World crime rate....and their gun crime is going up...our gun crime rate is going down......explain that.....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
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Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

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“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
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“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.