Anti Trump shooter in Florida, in Psych hospital twice, on psych drugs too...

[Slade3200]

Why did you label him as Anti Trump in your headline.l? Are you just making that up or do you have something to support that he was politically motivated and not just a mentally ill young man?

He posted on Reddit that he hated Trump.

Sounds to me like you are trying to associate him with other anti-trumpers... am I wrong?

Should we not suspect anyone who has the amount of vitriol and hatred for Trump as seen on this board or anywhere else? We've already seen a Bernie supporter attempt a mass political assassination on a baseball field, so why should any anti-trumper be trusted?

I think it is idiotic to try and tie a shooting by a mentally ill 24 year old to a political ideology. Who do you think you are kidding with that crap?!

maybe - but every single public shooting in the last decade plus has been politicized, not reviewed and honest answers or attempts at solutions have come out of it. quite the contrary, we have CNN and other news outlets making up flat out lies about guns and hell, i even saw an illustration where an AR15 had a grenade launcher on it and it "pulsed" like a penis in the wind. swear to god that animated gif was on their website when that wasn't anywhere near the reality of what was used.

we can't have an "honest" conversation about guns if your goals/solutions are pre-defined going into said conversation. so while i do agree it's stupid to make this political when it isn't, it's also all to common anymore to weaponize anything and everything in order *to* make it policial.

that started before trump but that's more on society than a single president.

The pulsing like a penis in the wind line was a little much but I see your point... haha

 

[2aguy]

more folks have died from gun violence than American soldiers have died overseas this year

we need dont moments of silence, they arent working, we need moments of action

stop blaming mental illness. girls are mentally ill yet they dont shoot. people all over the world are mentally ill yet they dont shoot.

what is this thing with folks who are dumped by their girlfriends and their only option is to do a mass shooting. that's absurd!

And that is a lie. The people here are criminals shooting criminals in democrat controlled cities. We do not have law abiding gun owners shooting people...but thanks for making that lie popular. The mentally ill are not shooting people in any measurable numbers....it is career criminals in cities controlled by democrats where the known violent criminals are repeatedly released from jail or are out on bail that is the issue. Law abiding gun owners and the mentally ill are not the problem..... judges and prosecutors letting violent criminals out of jail is the issue.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Why did you label him as Anti Trump in your headline.l? Are you just making that up or do you have something to support that he was politically motivated and not just a mentally ill young man?

Go back and read post #371 on the original breaking story. He was both a leftist trump hater and a nutcase..

BREAKING: Shooting at Madden football event in Jacksonville

You will not be hearing about this on any of the mainstream media outlets, that's a guarantee.

Just wanted to point out that you're being a little redundant there.

Carry on.

I put that in the title because I wanted to mirror the left wing tactic.... and because it sets left wingers off.......

 

[2aguy]

You mean the 2.4 million times a year that Americans use their legal guns to stop attackers like this as well as rapists, robbers and killers? Or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%..... you mean that benefit?

That doesn't actually happen.

The CDC says it does happen... 2.4 million times a year.

The Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Both numbers are from actual research.

And yes.....gun crime over the last 25 years of increasing gun ownership and carrying guns is down 75%... that is a fact. Gun murder is down 49%, that is a fact. Violent crime is down 72%, fact.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

But people like you made sure he had access to a gun. God, you are one dumb ass.

No.... no one made sure he had access to a gun. In fact, he shouldn't have passed his background check in Baltimore.....where they have every single anti gun law you want....and he still got the guns....

Oh, and blame the ACLU, not me....and other Civil Rights groups...

 

[2aguy]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Why did you label him as Anti Trump in your headline.l? Are you just making that up or do you have something to support that he was politically motivated and not just a mentally ill young man?

He posted on Reddit that he hated Trump.

Sounds to me like you are trying to associate him with other anti-trumpers... am I wrong?

Nope, he was a nut..... but I wanted to irritate you anti gunners with the same tactics you use in these mass public shootings when there is no connection to anything other than mental illness..... Thanks for reacting exactly as I knew you would....

 

[iceberg]

He posted on Reddit that he hated Trump.

Sounds to me like you are trying to associate him with other anti-trumpers... am I wrong?

Should we not suspect anyone who has the amount of vitriol and hatred for Trump as seen on this board or anywhere else? We've already seen a Bernie supporter attempt a mass political assassination on a baseball field, so why should any anti-trumper be trusted?

I think it is idiotic to try and tie a shooting by a mentally ill 24 year old to a political ideology. Who do you think you are kidding with that crap?!

maybe - but every single public shooting in the last decade plus has been politicized, not reviewed and honest answers or attempts at solutions have come out of it. quite the contrary, we have CNN and other news outlets making up flat out lies about guns and hell, i even saw an illustration where an AR15 had a grenade launcher on it and it "pulsed" like a penis in the wind. swear to god that animated gif was on their website when that wasn't anywhere near the reality of what was used.

we can't have an "honest" conversation about guns if your goals/solutions are pre-defined going into said conversation. so while i do agree it's stupid to make this political when it isn't, it's also all to common anymore to weaponize anything and everything in order *to* make it policial.

that started before trump but that's more on society than a single president.

The pulsing like a penis in the wind line was a little much but I see your point... haha

well i'm not exaggerating, cnn put that up there. it was an animated gif of an AR15 with every accessory known to mankind on it along with a pulsing rod pushing out and in. the AR used had none of that on it but they didn't care.

 

[westwall]

more folks have died from gun violence than American soldiers have died overseas this year

we need dont moments of silence, they arent working, we need moments of action

stop blaming mental illness. girls are mentally ill yet they dont shoot. people all over the world are mentally ill yet they dont shoot.

what is this thing with folks who are dumped by their girlfriends and their only option is to do a mass shooting. that's absurd!

And we have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans simply don't work. If the laws you wish did there wouldn't be 130 dead from a terrorist attack in Paris. Gun bans only affect the law abiding. The criminals, and the deranged simply ignore those laws.

 

[Crepitus]

You mean the 2.4 million times a year that Americans use their legal guns to stop attackers like this as well as rapists, robbers and killers? Or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%..... you mean that benefit?

That doesn't actually happen.

The CDC says it does happen... 2.4 million times a year.

The Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Both numbers are from actual research.

And yes.....gun crime over the last 25 years of increasing gun ownership and carrying guns is down 75%... that is a fact. Gun murder is down 49%, that is a fact. Violent crime is down 72%, fact.

No. The CDC does not say that.

 

[JGalt]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Why did you label him as Anti Trump in your headline.l? Are you just making that up or do you have something to support that he was politically motivated and not just a mentally ill young man?

He posted on Reddit that he hated Trump.

Sounds to me like you are trying to associate him with other anti-trumpers... am I wrong?

Should we not suspect anyone who has the amount of vitriol and hatred for Trump as seen on this board or anywhere else? We've already seen a Bernie supporter attempt a mass political assassination on a baseball field, so why should any anti-trumper be trusted?

I think it is idiotic to try and tie a shooting by a mentally ill 24 year old to a political ideology. Who do you think you are kidding with that crap?!

Untrue. The majority of Bernie supporters were mentally-ill 24 year olds.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

 

[Sunsettommy]

You mean the 2.4 million times a year that Americans use their legal guns to stop attackers like this as well as rapists, robbers and killers? Or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate has gone down 49%, our gun crime rate has gone down 75%, and our violent crime rate has gone down 72%..... you mean that benefit?

That doesn't actually happen.

The CDC says it does happen... 2.4 million times a year.

The Department of Justice puts the number at 1.5 million times a year....

Both numbers are from actual research.

And yes.....gun crime over the last 25 years of increasing gun ownership and carrying guns is down 75%... that is a fact. Gun murder is down 49%, that is a fact. Violent crime is down 72%, fact.

No. The CDC does not say that.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

"Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun-wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004). Effectiveness of defensive tactics, however, is likely to vary across types of victims, types of offenders, and circumstances of the crime, so further research is needed both to explore these contingencies and to confirm or discount earlier findings."

 

[OldLady]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Considering his mental health problems, why did his family not intervene and take away his guns?

 

[JGalt]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Considering his mental health problems, why did his family not intervene and take away his guns?

They were probably unaware that he bought them. He probably would have just gone and bought another one.

 

[OldLady]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Of course...mental health reason.

If he had been hospitalized for mental health reasons, that would have excluded him from purchasing firearms. Obviously more gun laws aren't the answer.

Just being hospitalized does not require reporting to NICS. Or if it is supposed to be reported, it is not in many cases. That needs to be tightened. But it would have been even better if the family had taken advantage of the ERPO laws in their state and had his guns removed.

 

[OldLady]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Considering his mental health problems, why did his family not intervene and take away his guns?

They were probably unaware that he bought them. He probably would have just gone and bought another one.

Possible. If he were in the throes of a suicidal crisis or off his meds or both, more than just removing the guns would no doubt be done, though.

 

[OldLady]

more folks have died from gun violence than American soldiers have died overseas this year

we need dont moments of silence, they arent working, we need moments of action

stop blaming mental illness. girls are mentally ill yet they dont shoot. people all over the world are mentally ill yet they dont shoot.

what is this thing with folks who are dumped by their girlfriends and their only option is to do a mass shooting. that's absurd!

And we have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans simply don't work. If the laws you wish did there wouldn't be 130 dead from a terrorist attack in Paris. Gun bans only affect the law abiding. The criminals, and the deranged simply ignore those laws.

We have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans limit gun deaths. EVERYWHERE.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And here we have the same formula....left winger, on psychiatrict drugs.......

Report: Jacksonville Shooter Was Hospitalized For Mental Illness

Court records obtained by the Associated Press show that Katz was previously hospitalized in psychiatric facilities on two occasions and was prescribed anti-psychotic and anti-depression medication.

Other gamers who interacted with Katz described his “odd” behavior and “erratic” playing style and said he rarely spoke to fellow gamers.

Considering his mental health problems, why did his family not intervene and take away his guns?

He shouldn't been able to buy ANY guns due to his mental health problems.

 

[Rustic]

more folks have died from gun violence than American soldiers have died overseas this year

we need dont moments of silence, they arent working, we need moments of action

stop blaming mental illness. girls are mentally ill yet they dont shoot. people all over the world are mentally ill yet they dont shoot.

what is this thing with folks who are dumped by their girlfriends and their only option is to do a mass shooting. that's absurd!

And we have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans simply don't work. If the laws you wish did there wouldn't be 130 dead from a terrorist attack in Paris. Gun bans only affect the law abiding. The criminals, and the deranged simply ignore those laws.

We have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans limit gun deaths. EVERYWHERE.

Irrelevant
Other countries do not have the right to bear arms nor the right to free speech...

 

[Sunsettommy]

more folks have died from gun violence than American soldiers have died overseas this year

we need dont moments of silence, they arent working, we need moments of action

stop blaming mental illness. girls are mentally ill yet they dont shoot. people all over the world are mentally ill yet they dont shoot.

what is this thing with folks who are dumped by their girlfriends and their only option is to do a mass shooting. that's absurd!

And we have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans simply don't work. If the laws you wish did there wouldn't be 130 dead from a terrorist attack in Paris. Gun bans only affect the law abiding. The criminals, and the deranged simply ignore those laws.

We have ample evidence from all over the world that gun bans limit gun deaths. EVERYWHERE.

Not true.

This despite the huge growth in gun ownership and many states allows concealed carry, the Murder RATE is way down since the high in 1980.

National Murder Rate

"For 2016, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty states was 5.4, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.9

For 2015, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty states was 5.0, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 4.0*

For 2014, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty states was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.8

For 2013, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty states was 4.4, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.4

For 2012, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.7

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2010, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.6, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 2.9

For 2009, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.9, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 2.8

For 2008, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 5.2, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.3

* The average murder rate for 2015 was recalculated based on the updated murder rate information in the 2016 UCR.

"

 

[Rustic]

Go back and read post #371 on the original breaking story. He was both a leftist trump hater and a nutcase..

LIAR!!!!!

He definitely was a progressive...
Progressives cannot tolerate anybody that disagrees with them