Antisemitism is growing on American campuses

[surada]

Oh, suddenly all those anti-Zionist Jews in America the left like to parade around have mysteriously evaporated.

You mean because they don't vote for Trump?

You ever heard of the J Street Jews?

 

[Coyote]

First, can you direct me to instructions on how to ”block out” sections of copy, and reply in segments, such as you are doing?

I just hit return several times where I want to break it (I’m using an iPad) and it works. Doesn’t work on my phone though.

Second, we are in rare agreement here. You are admitting that nobody cares about Muslims victims unless Jews are involved. I listen to the news closely, and the situation with the Rohingya Muslims is never reported. Nor do I hear complaints from the Muslim Democrats like a Omar and Tlaib….no, they ite is focused on Israel. And as mentioned, there’s no BDS movement against Mynamar - only Israel.

Yes, we are in agreement here (at least how it concerns USMB). In real world affairs, I am not sure. I do think Israel get’s a disproportionate amount of coverage both pro and con, but maybe that is because we, the US has such an intertwined relationship with Israel, from the Holocaust on.

For example the media I follow (such as NPR) covered the Rohinga well, so perhaps rightwing media doesn’t?

In fairness to Omar, yes, she has spoken out about tbe Rohinga situation.

In 2019

House Republicans mocked Ilhan Omar's bill to establish an envoy to combat Islamophobia worldwide

Republicans used the hearing to mock the Muslim lawmaker, and one proposed an amendment referencing a conspiracy theory about the congresswoman.

www.businessinsider.com

It seeks you agree with me that the laser focus in condemning Israel, when there are much more heinous situations elsewhere that barely get a passing mention, is indeed influenced by antisemitism.

I think it can be antisemitism but not always. People may focus on one country and it’s conflicts because that is their area of interest, and no one expects them to follow every and abuse around the world and speak out. If you ever go into the IP forum, you will find there are a number of folks who post there and only there, on both sides.

Another poster who hasn’t been around for awhile (Shusha) had some very good discussions on this. One of the points she made was that It is anti-semitism if Israel is held to a different standard than other countries. For example no one expects any other nation to tolerate a hostile entity lobbing rockets into their civilian areas. Any country would retaliate in some manner to stop it and protect their residents. But Israel and only Israel gets held to a different standard and criticized for attempting to stop it. Why? Anti-semitism? I would agree.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians may be many things but it is not genocide.

Agreed. That is a bridge too far. If it were genocide, this is what it would look like:

Israelis line up their armor and just push everyone and everything in the West Bank into the sea.

That isn't happening. Israel is even giving them aid (but far from enough, but that is not all Israel's fault).

I think Israel should be credited for its restraint, in some ways and at some times. (Sometimes, not). That doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't criticize them for not finding a better way than what they are doing right now.

 

[Lisa558]

You mean because they don't vote for Trump?

You ever heard of the J Street Jews?

You mean the self-loathing Jews who sympathize with their own enemies? Lenin referred to people like that as “useful idiots.”

"Useful Idiots": Self-Hating Jews, Beinart & J Street

Where did we get these Jew haters from?

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[surada]

You mean the self-loathing Jews who sympathize with their own enemies? Lenin referred to people like that as “useful idiots.”

"Useful Idiots": Self-Hating Jews, Beinart & J Street

Where did we get these Jew haters from?

www.israelnationalnews.com

No I mean people who want a just peace.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The hatred being openly expressed for Jews is like the canary in the coal mine. It always presages conflict in the world and it does so this time as well. Those who hate them and take joy in harm coming to these people for no other reason than being Jewish and breathing, had better slow their roll this time and remember that the same people who escaped the gas chambers and ovens and said NEVER AGAIN... have the means to bring everyone with them this time down that road.

So as long as you are Jewish and are critical of Israel, then the diversity leads will like you. I can’t believe American Jews put up with this shit. The self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim, yeah, they definitely have no problem criticizing Israel.

 

[Coyote]

You mean the self-loathing Jews who sympathize with their own enemies? Lenin referred to people like that as “useful idiots.”

"Useful Idiots": Self-Hating Jews, Beinart & J Street

Where did we get these Jew haters from?

www.israelnationalnews.com

Is that the Jewish equivalent of Uncle Toms and Oreos?

 

[Lisa558]

I just hit return several times where I want to break it (I’m using an iPad) and it works. Doesn’t work on my phone though.



Yes, we are in agreement here (at least how it concerns USMB). In real world affairs, I am not sure. I do think Israel get’s a disproportionate amount of coverage both pro and con, but maybe that is because we, the US has such an intertwined relationship with Israel, from the Holocaust on.

For example the media I follow (such as NPR) covered the Rohinga well, so perhaps rightwing media doesn’t?

In fairness to Omar, yes, she has spoken out about tbe Rohinga situation.

In 2019

House Republicans mocked Ilhan Omar's bill to establish an envoy to combat Islamophobia worldwide

Republicans used the hearing to mock the Muslim lawmaker, and one proposed an amendment referencing a conspiracy theory about the congresswoman.

www.businessinsider.com

I think it can be antisemitism but not always. People may focus on one country and it’s conflicts because that is their area of interest, and no one expects them to follow every and abuse around the world and speak out. If you ever go into the IP forum, you will find there are a number of folks who post there and only there, on both sides.

Another poster who hasn’t been around for awhile (Shusha) had some very good discussions on this. One of the points she made was that It is anti-semitism if Israel is held to a different standard than other countries. For example no one expects any other nation to tolerate a hostile entity lobbing rockets into their civilian areas. Any country would retaliate in some manner to stop it and protect their residents. But Israel and only Israel gets held to a different standard and criticized for attempting to stop it. Why? Anti-semitism? I would agree.

Agree.The best test to see if it’s antisemitism is when double standards are applied.

For example, Omar spoke out against sanctions against Iran. She said that when you boycott (or sanction) a government’s policies, you end up punishing innocent citizens. Yet not long before that, she cheered on the BDS movement, boycotting Israel. So IOW, she does not want innocent Muslims punished, but she does want innocent Jews punished. That is a clear double standard, and a clear indication of Omar’s amtisemitism.

 

[Coyote]

So as long as you are Jewish and are critical of Israel, then the diversity leads will like you. I can’t believe American Jews put up with this shit. The self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim, yeah, they definitely have no problem criticizing Israel.

Interesting. So Jewish people aren’t allowed to have dissenting opinions and still be Jewish?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Not that this should be a surprise, considering who makes up a good deal of the student and faculty population today.

You mean white folks? Are all white folks anti-Semitic, now, along with all of them being racist?

 

[Lisa558]

So as long as you are Jewish and are critical of Israel, then the diversity leads will like you. I can’t believe American Jews put up with this shit. The self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim, yeah, they definitely have no problem criticizing Israel.

You have no idea! It’s especially bad in the Reform temples, replete with liberal Jews. They scold you if you defend Israel!

 

[surada]

So as long as you are Jewish and are critical of Israel, then the diversity leads will like you. I can’t believe American Jews put up with this shit. The self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim, yeah, they definitely have no problem criticizing Israel.

Most of the Eastern European Jews who went to Israel in the early days were socialists.

Labor Zionism - Wikipedia

Labor Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Labor Zionism or socialist Zionism is the left-wing of the Zionist movement. For many years, it was the most significant tendency among Zionists and Zionist organizations. It saw itself as the Zionist sector of the historic Jewish labor movements of Eastern and Central Europe, eventually developing local units in most countries with sizable Jewish populations. Unlike the "political …


Labor Zionism | Encyclopedia.com

From the beginning of the twentieth century, Labor Zionism dominated the political philosophy of the Jews who went to resettle in Palestine, both during the British Mandate and then as the

 

[Lisa558]

Interesting. So Jewish people aren’t allowed to have dissenting opinions and still be Jewish?

Not according to some liberal Jews. They practically chase you out of the synagogue if you admit you voted for Trump. Republican Jews who belong to liberal synagogues have learned to keep their mouth shut, or, increasingly, move to a more Orthodox shul, where you are allowed to be pro-Israel.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So as long as you are Jewish and are critical of Israel, then the diversity leads will like you. I can’t believe American Jews put up with this shit. The self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim, yeah, they definitely have no problem criticizing Israel.

The alternative of what you are saying seems to be that Jews should just say Israel is perfect at all times.

Would it not be understandable that those who are willing to criticize Israel are given consideration, over those who will not do it for purely puritanical reasons?

Why is this so taboo? Why is it even a discussion that Jews who sometimes criticize Israel should themselves be scrutinized for purity or loyalty issues?

Should we apply that standard to YOU, re: The United States? Would you pass this purity test? I doubt you would.

Why the double standard? Easy answer: because Israel is a "Jewish State". The United States is just a state.

Criticizing the US cannot be easily conflated with criticizing the entire Jewish "race", or any and all "Zionism", or any race or religion at all.

Frankly, that is one of the beautiful results of the Great Expiriment.

 

[Lisa558]

Is that the Jewish equivalent of Uncle Toms and Oreos?

No. Not comparable. The so-called Uncle Toms aren’t supporting their enemies.

 

[Coyote]

Not according to some liberal Jews. They practically chase you out of the synagogue if you admit you voted for Trump. Republican Jews who belong to liberal synagogues have learned to keep their mouth shut, or, increasingly, move to a more Orthodox shul, where you are allowed to be pro-Israel.

Do Republican Jews get called “self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim” for having a different on Israel? Is their identity as a Jew questioned?

 

[Coyote]

No. Not comparable. The so-called Uncle Toms aren’t supporting their enemies.

Criticizing Israel’s policies isn’t the same as “supporting the enemy”. I would think very few think Israel Should be canceled.

 

[surada]

Criticizing Israel’s policies isn’t the same as “supporting the enemy”. I would think very few think Israel Should be canceled.

My God, this is so sad.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Criticizing the US cannot be easily conflated with criticizing the entire Jewish "race", or any and all "Zionism", or any race or religion at all.

As I said this, I realized that, ironically, this is exactly what our Muslim enemies do and say in their propaganda:

'The Great Satan (the US) is just a Zionist puppet.'

And they get away with it. Naturally. The Power of Nonsense, on display.

 

[Lisa558]

Do Republican Jews get called “self-hating atheist, communist Jews who only identify as Jewish when they want to be a victim” for having a different on Israel? Is their identity as a Jew questioned?

Yes. I have been told that you cannot be Republican and Jewish. I have also been told nyna liberal Jew that she’d rather have ALL Republican Jews driven out of the synagogue, even if it means a smaller congregation.

Don’t kid yourself. I have found Jewish Democrats more intolerant of different opinions than Democrats in general. I have told before on this forum how a liberal Jew approached me at the lunch following my father’s funeral - his FUNERAL! - and started beating me for voting for Trump.