AOC humiliated at a Town Hall: "You ran as a outsider but are voting to start nuclear war with Russia & China. you're a progressive socialist coward!"

[JustAGuy1]

What do you know about Americans supposedly orchestrating the Maidan Revolution?

Seems nothing. You should come clean on that instead of posting your inane little stories.

Russian propaganda would have you belive that Ukranians were somehow coerced into rejection of Russia and a desire to live in western style democracy. That it is all some plot to get at Russia. That it's some insidious nationalist Nazi plot against Russians.

But as anyone who actually lived in Ukraine will tell you nothing could be further from the truth - Ukranians share our western values and want to live in a free and open society like the rest of Europe. Maidan Revolution was a direct result of their elected leader fooling them into believing that he will move the country in that direction, but revealing himself to be just another weak-kneed Putin's tool, running off to hide in Russia instead of facing his Congress and the people.

You've been schooled kid. Slink away.

 

[AntonToo]

You've been schooled kid. Slink away.

Thats it? Thats all the response you have?

Pretty pathetic, but don't worry, you've lived up to expectaiton.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Nope, not my country to die for.

Just $80 billion of our money.

Come on man.

 

[AntonToo]

Lol. His government is infested with Nazis. He is controlled by them.

Get fuvking informed.

Who? I keep asking, you keep dodging.

Let's go, put up or shut up.

 

[AntonToo]

Just $80 billion of our money.

Come on man.

That's right, I have no problem sending them material help.

But risking my life for someone else's country is a whole different ask.

 

[otto105]

you gotta see this town hall with AOC, because nobody else did. nobody showed up. there was no crowd

AOC started the war with the Ukraine?

Then why is russia fighting it?

 

[gipper]

Who? I keep asking, you keep dodging.

Let's go, put up or shut up.

You need the names of Nazis in Ukraine or you refuse to believe there are Nazis there. WTF!

 

[gipper]

Who? I keep asking, you keep dodging.

Let's go, put up or shut up.

You’ve got a lot of reading to do, but I fear you’re not up to it. Closed minded and all.

Media Are Now Whitewashing Nazis They Had Previously Condemned​

Recently the New York Times, like many other 'western' outlets, has changed its language when reporting about the fascist Ukrainian Asov Battalion.

What was once "a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization" which even the FBI said is notorious for its “association with neo-Nazi ideology” was first relabeled as merely "far right" before it became a normal "unit in the Ukrainian military".

New Zealand Massacre Highlights Global Reach of White Extremism - Mar 15 2019 - New York Times

Scrawled on his rifle was a white nationalist credo popularized by the American domestic terrorist and neo-Nazi David Lane. On his flak jacket was a symbol commonly used by the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization.

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We Once Fought Jihadists. Now We Battle White Supremacists. - Feb 11 2020 - New York Times

Defenders of the Ukrainian Azov Battalion, which the F.B.I. calls “a paramilitary unit” notorious for its “association with neo-Nazi ideology,” accuse us of being part of a Kremlin campaign to “demonize” the group.

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Why Vladimir Putin Invokes Nazis to Justify His Invasion of Ukraine - Mar 17 2022 - New York Times

Facebook last week said it was making an exception to its anti-extremism policies to allow praise for Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion military unit, “strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard.”

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From Battered Mariupol Steel Plant, Fighters Share Desperate Videos to Push Out Story - Apr 29 2022 - New York Times

These scenes are from videos shared online in recent days by the Azov regiment, a unit in the Ukrainian military, which says they were taken in the mazelike bunkers beneath the sprawling Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol, Ukraine.

It is not that Azov has de-radicalized over time. It has in fact grown more extreme.

Azov has infiltrated other organizations, especially some units of the Ukrainian regular military, the national guard, the police and the internal secret security organization SBU. Azov is by far not the only fascist (para-)military organization in Ukraine. There is the Aidar battalion, the Right Sector militia, Dnipro-1 and 2 regiments, the C-14 'youth' organization of the fascist Svoboda party as well as a dozen other such organization.

These groups are not only not prohibited as they should be but get encouraged and partially financed by the Ukrainian government. Many of these militia have been integrated into the National Guard of Ukraine under the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

The infiltration of the security services and government has dangerous consequences for the Ukrainian public.

Over the years many 'western' media have correctly reported on the Ukrainian fascists. Here is an incomplete collection (h/t Antispin):

• 15,000 Ukraine nationalists march for divisive Bandera - Jan 1 2014 - USA Today
• Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Feb 25 2014 - Salon
• How the far-right took top posts in Ukraine’s power vacuum - Mar 5 2014 - Channel 4
• Rein in Ukraine's neo-fascists - Mar 6 2014 - CNN
• Denying the Far-Right Role in the Ukrainian Revolution - Mar 7 2014 - FAIR
• The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine - Mar 11 2014 - Huffpost
• Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government - Mar 18 2014 - Foreign Policy
• Analysis: U.S. Cozies Up to Kiev Government Including Far Right - Mar 30 2014 - NBCnews
• Profile: Ukraine's ultra-nationalist Right Sector - Apr 28 2014 - BBC
• The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine - May 11 2014 - Huffpost
• Fascism returns to the continent it once destroyed - May 12 2014 - TNR
• Ukraine conflict: 'White power' warrior from Sweden - Jul 16 2014 - BBC
• Preparing for War With Ukraine’s Fascist Defenders of Freedom - Aug 30 2014 - Foreign Policy
• German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers - Sep 9 2014 - NBCnews
• Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat - Sep 10 2014 - Guardian
• Volunteer Ukrainian unit includes Nazis - Mar 10 2015 - USA Today
• US House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine - Jun 14 2015 - Consortium News
• Why Ukraine’s New Ultranationalist Party Will Not Last - Oct 19 2016 - Atlantic Council
• Ukraine's Hyper-Nationalist Military Summer Camp for Kids | NBC Left Field (vid) - Jul 13 2017 - NBCnews
• The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda - Nov 9 2017 - The Hill
• The US is Arming and Assisting Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, While Congress Debates Prohibition - Jan 18 2018 - The RealNews Network
• In Ukraine, Ultranationalist Militia Strikes Fear In Some Quarters - Jan 30 2018 - RFERL
• Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem - Mar 19 2018 - Reuters
• America’s Collusion With Neo-Nazis - May 2 2018 - The Nation
• Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far-Right Violence (And No, RT Didn’t Write This Headline) - Jun 20 2018 - Atlantic Council
• Ukraine, Anti-Semitism, Racism, and the Far Right - Oct 16 2018 - Atlantic Council
• Azov, Ukraine's Most Prominent Ultranationalist Group, Sets Its Sights On U.S., Europe - Nov 14 2018 - RFERL
• Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine - Feb 22 2019 - The Nation
• Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay - Apr 11 2019 - Guardian
• There’s One Far-Right Movement That Hates the Kremlin - Apr 17 2019 - Foreign Policy
• Is America Training Neonazis in Ukraine? - Dec 8 2019 - DailyBeast
• The Azov Regiment has not depoliticized - Mar 19 2020 - Atlantic Council
• Like, Share, Recruit: How a White-Supremacist Militia Uses Facebook to Radicalize and Train New Members - Jan 7 2021 - Time
• Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment? - Mar 1 2022 - Aljazeerah
• How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia - Mar 4 2022 - Grayzone
• Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't - Mar 6 2022 - NBCnews
• Right-wing Azov Battalion emerges as a controversial defender of Ukraine - Apr 6 2022 - Washington Post

Next to those and many more media reports there are some detailed ones from various organization which document the war crimes Azov and groups like it have committed in Ukraine. In 2015 the Foundation for the Study of Democracy published a report about the War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment. In 2018 the Human Rights Platform "Uspishna Varta" wrote in a report about the Ministry of Internal Affairs and General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine:
MoA - Media Are Now Whitewashing Nazis They Had Previously Condemned

 

[22lcidw]

AOC started the war with the Ukraine?

Then why is russia fighting it?

AOC is a Neo Con.

 

[otto105]

AOC is a Neo Con.

AOC must give at you maga bois a woody.

 

[22lcidw]

Just $80 billion of our money.

Come on man.

When Repubs went over there fast that was not good.

 

[gipper]

Thats it? Thats all the response you have?

Pretty pathetic, but don't worry, you've lived up to expectaiton.

More. Now you can’t continue posting stupidity. Ukraine has a well known NAZI problem. Now even you know about it thanks to my kindness in informing you, once again.

Can I get a big THANK YOU!

All this is well know. Over the years 'western' media have warned of growing fascism in Ukraine. While fascist parties get few votes in Ukraine they are in fact very powerful. They own the streets, have the guns and kill politicians who do not do what Azov and other fascist groups say. They can act with impunity.

Amnesty International has documented some of the crimes committed by fascist groups in Ukraine:

• Ukraine: Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch call for impartial inquiry into events in Odesa on 2 May - May 8 2014
• Ukraine: A deadly rocket attack highlights the need for civilian protection in eastern Ukraine - Jul 16 2014
• Ukraine: Abuses and war crimes by the Aidar Volunteer Battalion in the north Luhansk region - Sep 8 2014
• Ukraine: Summary killings during the conflict in eastern Ukraine - Oct 20 2014
• Ukraine: The Authorities’ Inaction Emboldens Rising Violence by The Far-Right - May 16 2018
• Ukraine: Swift, decisive action required to bring perpetrators of two fatal attacks against Roma to justice - Jul 2 2018
• Ukraine: Address attacks against activists and human rights defenders - Oct 3 2018
• Ukraine: First-ever Pride march in Kharkiv marred by violence, underscores multiple failures by the authorities - Dec 23 2019

Human Rights Watch has a long list of reports on Ukraine. While some blame eastern separatists and Russia, many others point to violence from the fascist far-right.

Currently a main Azov unit is sitting in the basement of the Azovstal metalworks in Mariupol surrounded by Russian troops. It claims to have civilian hostages and refuse to surrender. To whitewash them now just because they have gotten themselves into this situation - as the NYT obviously does - is not justified.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Who? I keep asking, you keep dodging.

Let's go, put up or shut up.

You are simply not a bright guy. Ukraine is infested with Nazi's.

Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't​

Not acknowledging this threat means that little is being done to guard against it.

But even though Putin is engaging in propaganda, it’s also true that Ukraine has a genuine Nazi problem — both past and present. Putin’s destructive actions — among them the devastation of Jewish communities — make clear that he’s lying when he says his goal is to ensure anyone’s welfare. But important as it is to defend the yellow-and-blue flag against the Kremlin’s brutal aggression, it would be a dangerous oversight to deny Ukraine’s antisemitic history and collaboration with Hitler’s Nazis, as well as the latter-day embrace of neo-Nazi factions in some quarters

Opinion | Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

Not acknowledging this threat means that little is being done to guard against it.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[AntonToo]

You are simply not a bright guy. Ukraine is infested with Nazi's.

Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't​

Not acknowledging this threat means that little is being done to guard against it.

But even though Putin is engaging in propaganda, it’s also true that Ukraine has a genuine Nazi problem — both past and present. Putin’s destructive actions — among them the devastation of Jewish communities — make clear that he’s lying when he says his goal is to ensure anyone’s welfare. But important as it is to defend the yellow-and-blue flag against the Kremlin’s brutal aggression, it would be a dangerous oversight to deny Ukraine’s antisemitic history and collaboration with Hitler’s Nazis, as well as the latter-day embrace of neo-Nazi factions in some quarters

Opinion | Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

Not acknowledging this threat means that little is being done to guard against it.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggest you ACTUALLY READ IT.

There is also no evidence of recent mass killings or ethnic purges taking place in Ukraine. Moreover, labeling enemies Nazis is a common political ploy in Russia, especially from a leader who favors disinformation campaigns and wants to stir up feelings of national vengeance against a WWII foe to justify conquest.

But even if some elements of the country have been entangled with one of history’s most loathsome movements, standing with Ukraine is without doubt the honorable posture to take in this drama. Right now, every day that Putin ratchets up his assault against the Ukrainian people with scorched-earth zeal, it’s hard not to see who truly deserves the N-word.

My own dad's side of the family are jews from Ukraine, my grandparents lived there their whole life and yes my grandfather and greatuncle also fought against Nazis in WWII as part of red army.


Every contry has a handfull of Neo-Nazi nutbags, they are in Poland, Germany, UK and yes right here in USA, but what Russian propaganda machine always does is take a grain of truth and turn into mountians of usefull bullshit.

 

[otto105]

I suggest you ACTUALLY READ IT.

When is Russia going to elect a Jewish person like Ukraine?

 

[AntonToo]

When is Russia going to elect a Jewish person like Ukraine?

Never

 

[otto105]

Never

Well. those fucking NAZIs.

 

[otto105]

I suggest you ACTUALLY READ IT.

There is also no evidence of recent mass killings or ethnic purges taking place in Ukraine. Moreover, labeling enemies Nazis is a common political ploy in Russia, especially from a leader who favors disinformation campaigns and wants to stir up feelings of national vengeance against a WWII foe to justify conquest.

But even if some elements of the country have been entangled with one of history’s most loathsome movements, standing with Ukraine is without doubt the honorable posture to take in this drama. Right now, every day that Putin ratchets up his assault against the Ukrainian people with scorched-earth zeal, it’s hard not to see who truly deserves the N-word.

My own dad's side of the family are jews from Ukraine, my grandparents lived there their whole life and yes my grandfather and greatuncle also fought against Nazis in WWII as part of red army.


Every contry has a handfull of Neo-Nazi nutbags, they are in Poland, Germany, UK and yes right here in USA, but what Russian propaganda machine always does is take a grain of truth and turn into mountians of usefull bullshit.

One just has to wonder about the confederacy flag..

 

[AntonToo]

You need the names of Nazis in Ukraine or you refuse to believe there are Nazis there. WTF!

Yes, imagine that, asking for real names we can verify in Ukranian administration or congress to be Nazis.

Lets go, put up or stfu.

 

[AntonToo]

Nazis invaded neighboring countries under false excuses of protecting ethnic Germans from oppresion.
Russia invaded Ukrane under false excuses of protecting ethnic Russians from opression.

Nazis pointed to historic German ownership of said lands as justification of annexation.
Russia has pointed to historic ownership of Ukranian land as justification of annexation.

Nazis belived Germans to be a superior nation, victimized by other countries after WWI.
Russians belive themselves to be the superior nation, victimized by the western world.

Ukraine has never had its own authentic statehood. There has never been a sustainable statehood in Ukraine - Putin declaring 2022 invasion.

Putin Calls Ukrainian Statehood a Fiction. History Suggests Otherwise. (Published 2022)

In a speech, President Vladimir V. Putin bent Ukraine’s complex history into his own version that served as a justification for his cleaving off more of its territory.

www.nytimes.com

So who are the Nazis in their deeds here?